Rice admits to “illegal” use of stickum

[WPBCowboysFan]

They deliberately heated balls (after inspection) in a blatant violation of NFL rules with the goal of making those balls easier to grip, catch and handle.
Why does being out in the open make any sort of difference? The Pats spygate cameraman was out in the open for all to see, so I guess that wasn't really a penalty was it?
The two are virtually identical: Illegally tampering with footballs in order to make them easier to grip and handle.
Not at all. I am bringing it up to show what, precisely, this "crime" demands in terms of punishment. I have stated several times that any team caught cheating should be held accountable, but all teams should be held accountable to equal standards. You cannot send one team a letter of warning then hit the other team for suspensions, draft picks, and million dollar fines when the crimes are virtually identical.

And let the record show that, for the sake of argument, I am playing along with the assumption that the Patriots are guilty even though it's looking more and more like they are not.

I know you'll never give in and keep doubling down, but at least its comical for the rest of us.

Im sure at this point you dont really believe half the stuff you post, but you're so entrenched you cant admit otherwise and keep maintaining the narrative.

 

[MichaelValentino]

But I bet you can remember what you read on CowboysZone five Days, or even five MONTHS later.

Thats because you're reading and posting here while she's talking to you.

Lol. So true! I got in trouble the other night and had to get off all electronic devices.

 

[speedkilz88]

The guy openly and freely admitted it. That's good enough for me.
No, I am just educating you on how the grown up world works. So many quotes attributed to people were spoken directly to members of the media, who then repeated the quotes in print or some public forum, as is the case when Phil Simms reported what Aaron Rodgers said.

That's not an attack. Quite the contrary; things should work that way.

It's not an accurate account.

 

[visionary]

The difference is that the Patriots has a vehicular manslaughter ticket as well.

I don't think anybody thinks they needed a deflated ball to beat the Colts, but when you have egregiously cheated in the past future transgressions, even if smaller in scope, get massive scrutiny.

In other words, they did it to themselves.




YR

I don't buy this argument

If they "did not need the deflated balls" to beat other teams, why did they do it ? Clearly they think it helps them. Teams don't go around doing stuff that does not help them. That is just ridiculous. Bellichick pays attention to everything but knew nothing about this? No different than spy gate.

 

[jrumann59]

Deflating the ball benefits two people at once the catcher/ball carrier and the QB. Adding stickum to already tacky receiver gloves is akin to Dl putting vaseline on or teflon spray on their jerseys or receivers and running backs wearing the smallest shoulder pads available to make them harder to hit.

 

[visionary]

The 'everybody cheats' excuse is just an excuse. If they all cheat, they should all be held accountable. That doesn't excuse NE for not playing with regulation equipment and benefiting from it being out of regulation.




How the heck am I supposed to interpret it any other way?

Or is that something a second grader just can't grasp?

And if "everybody cheats" why does only NE get caught ?

 

[Nightman]

And if "everybody cheats" why does only NE get caught ?

That's the ironic part.

They are so good at football, but so bad at cheating.

 

[Rogah]

No, it is recognizing that they are a repeat offender. The spygate incident plays into this one. The Vikings don't have a prior offense. If and when the Vikes do something for the second time then their punishment should go up.

As I said before, if a guy robs a bank and goes to jail for 5 years, gets out of jail and 7 years later gets caught doing 70 mph in a 60 mph zone, they give him a $100 fine. They don't send him back to jail.

 

[Rogah]

And if "everybody cheats" why does only NE get caught ?

It never ceases to amaze me the level of ignorance the haters show. It isn't that "only NE gets caught" it's that only NE makes national headlines. Apparently you have no clue the Falcons got caught illegally pumping crowd noise into their building, the Browns were caught illegally sending text messages from the booth to the sidelines, and the Vikings were caught illegally heating balls on the sidelines. All those things happened (or the cases broke) within the past few months.

Seriously. Read a paper every once in a while.

 

[visionary]

It never ceases to amaze me the level of ignorance the haters show. It isn't that "only NE gets caught" it's that only NE makes national headlines. Apparently you have no clue the Falcons got caught illegally pumping crowd noise into their building, the Browns were caught illegally sending text messages from the booth to the sidelines, and the Vikings were caught illegally heating balls on the sidelines. All those things happened (or the cases broke) within the past few months.

Seriously. Read a paper every once in a while.

You're on the wrong forum buddy
NE homers are on "www.cheatriots.com"

 

[Rogah]

You're on the wrong forum buddy
NE homers are on "www.cheatriots.com"

Ya sure thing.

Now tell us all once more how only the Patriots cheat, even though I gave 3 other examples from just the past few months. I enjoyed the good laugh you gave me when I first read that.

 

[visionary]

Ya sure thing.

Now tell us all once more how only the Patriots cheat, even though I gave 3 other examples from just the past few months. I enjoyed the good laugh you gave me when I first read that.

Facts are facts

Patriots are cheaters
Whenever their victories and record or the names of bellichick or Brady are brought up, so will spygate and deflate gate . That is the legacy of cheaters

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I don't buy this argument

If they "did not need the deflated balls" to beat other teams, why did they do it ? Clearly they think it helps them. Teams don't go around doing stuff that does not help them. That is just ridiculous. Bellichick pays attention to everything but knew nothing about this? No different than spy gate.

I just said that I don't think they needed to deflate the football to beat the Colts. Which I stand by.

As far as other teams, if they were deflating the football against them, then they obviously used it to their advantage.

I don't know for sure if they did. I now tend to believe they did, but I'd still like to get more information.






YR

 

[visionary]

I just said that I don't think they needed to deflate the football to beat the Colts. Which I stand by.

As far as other teams, if they were deflating the football against them, then they obviously used it to their advantage.

I don't know for sure if they did. I now tend to believe they did, but I'd still like to get more information.






YR

Not trying to be rude but the reality though is that it does not matter whether you stand by it or not

The patriots are not clairvoyant so they could not know what was going to happen. Worse teams than the colts beat better teams than the patriots every year in this league. So, an after-the-game feeling of what they might or might not have needed is completely irrelevant to this debate so i am not sure why you are even bringing it up. Clearly the patriots 'thought' that they needed that edge to ensure victory or they would not have done it. That is why they cheated and is the same reason why anyone cheats.

 

[mahoneybill]

I have produced a link to the Phil Simms quote and video where he says Rodgers told him he deliberately overinflates the balls and hopes the refs don't catch him. I'm not going to do it again so if you don't believe me, google is your friend.

Interesting reaction by Brandon Marshall on an NFL segment when a deflated ball was tossed to him. Wow was his reaction..... I'm sure that he already knew about all of this as a pro athlete is going to want to particular about the minor things.

Don't know how many of you fish, but many of us know exactly what a drag set too tight will do, and check that out routinely to make sure we don't lose a big fish due to a line breaking because of it.

 

[DallasCowboys2080]

I don't buy this argument

If they "did not need the deflated balls" to beat other teams, why did they do it ? Clearly they think it helps them. Teams don't go around doing stuff that does not help them. That is just ridiculous. Bellichick pays attention to everything but knew nothing about this? No different than spy gate.

I'm willing to bet that the deflated balls in the Colts game wasn't the first time it happened. its just the first time they got caught. they probably been doing it since 2007.

 

[joseephuss]

As I said before, if a guy robs a bank and goes to jail for 5 years, gets out of jail and 7 years later gets caught doing 70 mph in a 60 mph zone, they give him a $100 fine. They don't send him back to jail.

And I have already said I am not for sending the patriots to jail. I figure a $1million fine is pretty minor for a possible second infringement and is not close to the equivalent of sending them to jail. You actually don't want anything to happen to them.

 

[Rogah]

And I have already said I am not for sending the patriots to jail. I figure a $1million fine is pretty minor for a possible second infringement and is not close to the equivalent of sending them to jail. You actually don't want anything to happen to them.

I think that if they did it (which it's looking more and more like they didn't) then their punishment should be in line with similar punishments for similar infractions.

Vikings got caught illegally tampering with footballs to make them easier to grip and handle and got a letter of warning. The NFL guidelines for this "crime" recommend a fine of $25,000. Granted that's just a guideline but it would not be fair to hold any team to a standard so much higher than all the rest.

League guidelines say $25,000 fine. One team got caught and got nothing but a letter of warning. Sorry, but a $1 million fine is just so obscenely out of proportion that it cannot be justified.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Geez Louise. Aren't their several Patriots threads. What in the heck does Jerry Rice have to do with any of that ?

So about Jerry Rice, I agree with whichever poster that said it had to be a different type of adhesive. Certainly not that goop they used in the old days.
I bet some guys still use it.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Geez Louise. Aren't their several Patriots threads. What in the heck does Jerry Rice have to do with any of that ?

Well, . . . . . . . . . . . . . . we have ONE, yep, ONE poster here who thinks the Pats are some sort of victim because they were caught cheating AGAIN and anything he can grasp onto to show that they really arent all that bad and "everybody else does it" kinda stuff he thinks justifies the victimhood. Its gone beyond comical at this point.