Richie Incognito suspended indefinitely...

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:rolleyes:

Martin would obliterate you if you ever met in person.. lol.

He won't make it as an NFL player in this league. That's the point, he is too soft for a violent sport like football, not if a 300 pound dude has an advantage over an average sized guy.
 

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Anyone else find it odd that Martin decided to leave over bullying exactly three days after losing his starting job to Bryant McKinnie?
 

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Apparently a lot of people here are unfamiliar with the concept of "lying."

And even more are unfamiliar with the first information released is usually wrong or only half true. I think its funny how when the facts don't fit what you want, they are lying or you ignore them.
 

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Incognito has a history of being a foramen culus. MIA deserves all the public humilation and ridicule it's getting for signing this fragmentum merda.
 

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hilarious how many here say "I don't support Incognito BUT..."

Only truly stupid people cannot recognize that Incognito has been a total DB for years. I keep asking his supporters here why they ignore the years of recorded history of his POS behavior. They never seem to want to answer....
 

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Now PFT has a story that Ireland told Martin to punch incognito. At the least that shows Martin went up the ladder
 

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Ireland is going to lose his job when all is said and done over this.
 

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hilarious how many here say "I don't support Incognito BUT..."

Only truly stupid people cannot recognize that Incognito has been a total DB for years. I keep asking his supporters here why they ignore the years of recorded history of his POS behavior. They never seem to want to answer....

The situation has left me with more questions than answers.

We keep hearing that Martin 'handled this maturely', but going AWOL is not handling a situation maturely.

And it's just weird that the final straw was the sophomoric dining hall incident. I guess people can snap over something inconsequential, but I just find this very strange.

And despite the fallout, no Dolphins player is supporting Martin. They are all steadfastly supporting RI. And they are baffled because they thought the two were friends.

At the very least, you have to think this is an odd situation.





YR
 

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Ireland is going to lose his job when all is said and done over this.

Remember all of those people, particularly the mediots, telling us we would rue the day we let Ireland go?

I do.




YR
 

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hilarious how many here say "I don't support Incognito BUT..."

Only truly stupid people cannot recognize that Incognito has been a total DB for years. I keep asking his supporters here why they ignore the years of recorded history of his POS behavior. They never seem to want to answer....

First off, Francis, ease up on the "stupid" comments. You're in way over your head.

More and more and more is coming out about this. Teammates seem to be siding with Incognito. I even heard Martin had played the tapes in the locker room for his teammates and laughed out laugh with everyone. Ryan Tannehill called Incognito the biggest supporter and friend Martin had in the locker room. I smell a well-planned lawsuit from Martin's Harvard-educated lawyers, who are also his parents.

None of that forgives Incognito, but it certainly provides context that so many don't want to hear.

The culture in a football locker room is massivlely politically incorrect. You have to have incredibly thick skin, and yes, it gets cultural, personal, and even racial. Players laugh off what society in general would need six months of therapy to overcome. The campaign to wussify and emasculate the American male hasn't yet reached the locker room, though I'm sure it's fast-tracking now. How long until trash-talking on the field becomes verbal assault, punishable by law, or at least worth suspension from the league office?

Go back and look at what Parcells used to ask his players to do. Look at the early 90s Cowboys, and what Jimmy allowed to go on.

And for crying out loud, let the facts come out. This already feels like the railroading of George Zimmerman, who should have been excused in a week's time.

There's plenty at work here. Let it surface.
 

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I dont support Incognito, i think he is an idiot for even joking about those things. But i also say that media and some people are exaggerating things without even knowing what happened, calling this a hate crime and a bunch of other things.
The N word sells, so they are pushing it that way.

Lot a truth here.
Incognito has issue though. Four different teams have suspended him.
Of course, Martin has some things going on a as well.
And of course, the media will pounce on any opporutnity to make something a racial issue.
 

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The situation has left me with more questions than answers.

We keep hearing that Martin 'handled this maturely', but going AWOL is not handling a situation maturely.

And it's just weird that the final straw was the sophomoric dining hall incident. I guess people can snap over something inconsequential, but I just find this very strange.

And despite the fallout, no Dolphins player is supporting Martin. They are all steadfastly supporting RI. And they are baffled because they thought the two were friends.

At the very least, you have to think this is an odd situation.





YR

There's a lot about this that doesn't add up. The results of the investigation will be interesting to read. The reactions throughout have been very extreme, and a lot of it is based on a lack of actual facts.

A couple of things that I wonder:
  • If I receive a voicemail that is as seemingly offensive as the text of it appears (keep in mind, none of us have actually heard the voicemail, so there is a degree of context missing here - the words are deplorable, but is this how they speak normally to each other?), and it seems that there is a threat in there to not only me, but to my family, I'm sorry, I am not waiting six months to do something about it. I would report it IMMEDIATELY.
  • We have heard about having texts between Incognito and Martin saved. Why were they not released? Could they shed a much different light on things?
  • While I get the pack mentality of a group, and a locker room is built on that sort of unity, it's very interesting that not one Dolphin player has spoken on Martin's behalf - even anonymously or off the record. Is this a case of a wholly bad lockerroom culture, or may Martin have perceived something that wasn't really there (despite the inflammatory language).
  • Lydon Murtha, a former Dolphin lineman and like Incognito, a former Nebraska player, wrote a column on MMQB.com. He shed some interesting light on the 15k "extortion". He indicated that the money was for Martin's share of the trip, which he had first agreed to go on, and then backed out after everything had been booked and committed to. If this is true, it changes a lot of what was initially perceived.
  • Murtha also said that the coaches had to have known what was going on in a situation like this, which I completely agree with.
  • erod mentioned this earlier. Martin lost his job as a LT (he was moved to RT) after the Dolphins traded for Bryant McKinnie. He left the team three days later. Could his depression stem from him failing for the first time as an athlete?
  • Mike Florio profferred that Martin may not have wanted this to go as far as it did (with potential litigation and the like). His agent was the one who released the voicemail to the team and the media. Why would the agent take the nuclear option here, where his client's career could likely be over due to not being able to be integrated into a locker room due to trust issues?
Lots to explain here. I will withhold judgment on any of this until it all comes out. If it is a bullying situation as has been initially reported, the Dolphins will need to completely clean house (from the front office on down).
 

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"If you asked Jonathan Martin who his best friend is on this team two weeks ago, he'd say Richie Incognito. It's tough for us to sit here and hear all that when we have each others' backs." - Ryan Tannehill.
"What's perceived is that Richie is this psychopath racist, and the reality is Richie was a pretty good teammate. I don't know why (Martin is) doing this. And the only person who knows why is Jonathan Martin." - Tyson Clabo

"If I'm not mistaken this is the same guy (Martin) that was laughing about this voicemail at one point in time." - Brian Hartline

Antrelle Rolle, Mike Pouncey, and Mike Wallace have also spoken on Incognito's behalf.
 

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Murtha was only there in camp in 2012. So he has no knowledge of anything since. Yet some here think he is the expert.

Clearly the Fins and players are trying damage control.

what you incognito homers keep ignoring is his HISTORY. 3 separate pro teams and one college team kicked him to the curb.

Of course the 'tough guys' are going to be on the macho man's side. What a surprise.

oh as regards supposedly laughing with the so called 'joke'
It is just as likely that he was trying to fit in. You never laughed at a bad 'joke' so as to fit in?

Rolle, Pouncey etc are not exactly boy scouts either.
 

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Murtha was only there in camp in 2012. So he has no knowledge of anything since. Yet some here think he is the expert.

Clearly the Fins and players are trying damage control.

what you incognito homers keep ignoring is his HISTORY. 3 separate pro teams and one college team kicked him to the curb.

Of course the 'tough guys' are going to be on the macho man's side. What a surprise.

oh as regards supposedly laughing with the so called 'joke'
It is just as likely that he was trying to fit in. You never laughed at a bad 'joke' so as to fit in?


Rolle, Pouncey etc are not exactly boy scouts either.

He played the tape FOR them unsolicited, as in "Guys, guys, you gotta hear this!"

And you're combing the NFL for boy scouts? Is this your first year to watch football?

Incognito is like a LOT of NFL players. You gotta be half bent to play pro football to begin with.
 

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"If you asked Jonathan Martin who his best friend is on this team two weeks ago, he'd say Richie Incognito. It's tough for us to sit here and hear all that when we have each others' backs." - Ryan Tannehill.
"What's perceived is that Richie is this psychopath racist, and the reality is Richie was a pretty good teammate. I don't know why (Martin is) doing this. And the only person who knows why is Jonathan Martin." - Tyson Clabo

"If I'm not mistaken this is the same guy (Martin) that was laughing about this voicemail at one point in time." - Brian Hartline

Antrelle Rolle, Mike Pouncey, and Mike Wallace have also spoken on Incognito's behalf.

Media coverage is even moving against Martin. Ashleigh Banfield just asked on CNN how a grown man could be bullied. Its scary the extent to which people identify with bullies.
 

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The situation has left me with more questions than answers.

We keep hearing that Martin 'handled this maturely', but going AWOL is not handling a situation maturely.

And it's just weird that the final straw was the sophomoric dining hall incident. I guess people can snap over something inconsequential, but I just find this very strange.

And despite the fallout, no Dolphins player is supporting Martin. They are all steadfastly supporting RI. And they are baffled because they thought the two were friends.

At the very least, you have to think this is an odd situation.





YR

No, its not odd at all. People often identify with abusers for some morbid reason. Its called "just world hypothesis," otherwise known as victim blaming.
 
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