Richie Incognito suspended indefinitely...

[AbeBeta]

So research tells us that if someone is giving you a hard time, if someone is bullying you, .. don't stand up for yourself, .. just tuck your tail and run?

Turn and run time after time after time, .. because that reaction will only perpetuate the bullying. And it will continue and possibly escalate.

Not to mention the sick feeling in your gut about yourself as you fail to stand up for yourself.

No thank you.

I would not start a fight, but I would not let anyone take advantage of me time and again either. I could not live with myself knowing that I was simply accepting the abuse.

I don't know the details in this issue, I am only speaking from experience.

You are missing the entire point. You do stand up for yourself but doing so with physical violence is not how you do so. I realize this is hard for the elderly and old-fashioned to understand

 

[erod]

I just find it funny you, and others, equate walking away from the nonsense as quitting..

Not knocking you, at all, because you're not the first to suggest it. Just find that interesting. Because maybe for him, walking away WAS doing something. He WAS standing up to him.

Oh well, we'll find out soon enough...

The problem is, this is professional football. Guys go through unimagineable pain. They take injections before games, they play with broken ribs, they use language and trashtalk during games that you'd never want your kid to hear. It's a brutal, vicious, gladiator-like game.

People keep bring up Colonel Jessup in "A Few Good Men." But he had a point in his famous speech in that movie. We go on about our merry lives without a thought to the ugly evil of the world and what the soldiers who protect us from it know, see, and deal with.

Likewise, the type of people it takes to survive in the NFL is truly unique. These are confrontational, egomaniacal, brutish men chosen for being just that. It's not an arena for the faint-hearted; those guys don't make it. There are puppy killers, woman-beaters, PED users, drug addicts, gang members, and even murderers scattered all over the league. Coaches are hired to channel that wildness and win.

Incognito was over the line for sure, but it's hardly uncommon.

Martin just isn't built for this league. There's no shame in it; neither am I.

 

[WoodysGirl]

The problem is, this is professional football. Guys go through unimagineable pain. They take injections before games, they play with broken ribs, they use language and trashtalk during games that you'd never want your kid to hear. It's a brutal, vicious, gladiator-like game.

People keep bring up Colonel Jessup in "A Few Good Men." But he had a point in his famous speech in that movie. We go on about our merry lives without a thought to the ugly evil of the world and what the soldiers who protect us from it know, see, and deal with.

Likewise, the type of people it takes to survive in the NFL is truly unique. These are confrontational, egomaniacal, brutish men chosen for being just that. It's not an arena for the faint-hearted; those guys don't make it. There are puppy killers, woman-beaters, PED users, drug addicts, gang members, and even murderers scattered all over the league. Coaches are hired to channel that wildness and win.

Incognito was over the line for sure, but it's hardly uncommon.

Martin just isn't built for this league. There's no shame in it; neither am I.

Personally, I think you have bought into every stereotype known to man as it relates to football players, even though it does carry a smidgeon of truth.

Not all football players are egotistical meatheads who will do anything to get on the field and get a W. Some are just normal folks and don't appreciate being harassed beyond what is the norm for a football lockerroom. How one handles it is up to him. Because Martin's quiet demeanor (assumed) could've also led him to walking away and coming back and shooting up the place.

I wouldn't have faulted Martin for beating the hell out of Incognito either, but him walking away seems to me the more mature response.

 

[WV Cowboy]

You are missing the entire point. You do stand up for yourself but doing so with physical violence is not how you do so.

If you go back and read, I haven't really advocated physical violence, .. only standing up for yourself.
Leaving your locker empty, quitting on your teammates and walking away is not standing up to anything. Nobody that surrenders is proud of himself.

I realize this is hard for the elderly and old-fashioned to understand

This is just too funny, you say this as if you will never be elderly. LOL
Look around, .. if you don't die first, you will become elderly as well. I promise.

 

[dropdeadfred5]

The problem is, this is professional football. Guys go through unimagineable pain. They take injections before games, they play with broken ribs, they use language and trashtalk during games that you'd never want your kid to hear. It's a brutal, vicious, gladiator-like game.

People keep bring up Colonel Jessup in "A Few Good Men." But he had a point in his famous speech in that movie. We go on about our merry lives without a thought to the ugly evil of the world and what the soldiers who protect us from it know, see, and deal with.

Likewise, the type of people it takes to survive in the NFL is truly unique. These are confrontational, egomaniacal, brutish men chosen for being just that. It's not an arena for the faint-hearted; those guys don't make it. There are puppy killers, woman-beaters, PED users, drug addicts, gang members, and even murderers scattered all over the league. Coaches are hired to channel that wildness and win.

Incognito was over the line for sure, but it's hardly uncommon.

Martin just isn't built for this league. There's no shame in it; neither am I.

Have you bothered to check Incognito's background? If you had just maybe you would reconsider any real confrontation with him.

 

[dropdeadfred5]

If you go back and read, I haven't really advocated physical violence, .. only standing up for yourself.
Leaving your locker empty, quitting on your teammates and walking away is not standing up to anything. Nobody that surrenders is proud of himself.

This is just too funny, you say this as if you will never be elderly. LOL
Look around, .. if you don't die first, you will become elderly as well. I promise.

You do realize that Incognito for all intents and purposes was approved and authorized to do basically what he wanted by the HC and everyone else in power in that franchize? So what was left for Martin to do?

 

[erod]

Have you bothered to check Incognito's background? If you had just maybe you would reconsider any real confrontation with him.

What would Larry Allen have done? Erik Williams? Mark Tuinei?

 

[erod]

Personally, I think you have bought into every stereotype known to man as it relates to football players, even though it does carry a smidgeon of truth.

Not all football players are egotistical meatheads who will do anything to get on the field and get a W. Some are just normal folks and don't appreciate being harassed beyond what is the norm for a football lockerroom. How one handles it is up to him. Because Martin's quiet demeanor (assumed) could've also led him to walking away and coming back and shooting up the place.

I wouldn't have faulted Martin for beating the hell out of Incognito either, but him walking away seems to me the more mature response.

Have you read the comments from a lot of the players? It supports what I'm saying.

For every Darren Woodson, there are multitudes of Michael Irvins, Pacman Joneses, and Richie Incognitos.

Remember, Irvin stabbed Everett McIver in the neck with a pair of scissors.

 

[AbeBeta]

If you go back and read, I haven't really advocated physical violence, .. only standing up for yourself.
Leaving your locker empty, quitting on your teammates and walking away is not/quote]

Typical victim-blaming mentality. This got to the point where he needed to seek help outside the organization as the team did nothing to stop the bullying. In fact, it seems like there is stuff coming out now that suggests that the coaching staff encouraged some of it. The team is not only turning a blind eye but appears to approve of the bullying. Leaving the team is the right move there.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Have you read the comments from a lot of the players? It supports what I'm saying.

For every Darren Woodson, there are multitudes of Michael Irvins, Pacman Joneses, and Richie Incognitos.

Remember, Irvin stabbed Everett McIver in the neck with a pair of scissors.

I've read a ton of comments from players on both sides of the issue. From no place in the lockerroom for that kinda stuff to "I would've punched him."

There's really no right or wrong way to handle it, IMO. Sometimes matching aggression with aggression is a good thing. Sometimes it's best to let the aggressor hang by himself and you handle it in a different way.

 

[sacase]

You are missing the entire point. You do stand up for yourself but doing so with physical violence is not how you do so. I realize this is hard for the elderly and old-fashioned to understand

No its just hard for men to understand.

 

[WV Cowboy]

You do realize that Incognito for all intents and purposes was approved and authorized to do basically what he wanted by the HC and everyone else in power in that franchize? So what was left for Martin to do?

Funny you mention that.
Because of that, ironically in this case, .. had Martin stood up to RI it would have showed the coaches exactly what they were looking for from him, and probably would have cut down on the abuse.

They wanted him to man up, but he did not.

Once again, I am not agreeing with what they did.

As a matter of fact, .. I have coached for 20+ seasons, .. I can not even imagine doing what those coaches did, nor allowing any player on my team to do something like that to another player on my team.
Period, .. they were wrong.

But I still don't agree with tucking your tail if you are being bullied. I would rather get my butt kicked than sit alone at night knowing that I was allowing this to happen to me.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

It doesn't matter what anyone thinks really except the guy all this nutty stuff was directed to. He's the victim.

He did what was right for him & now it's time for the insane one to be dealt with.

 

[dropdeadfred5]

Funny you mention that.
Because of that, ironically in this case, .. had Martin stood up to RI it would have showed the coaches exactly what they were looking for from him, and probably would have cut down on the abuse.

They wanted him to man up, but he did not.

Once again, I am not agreeing with what they did.

As a matter of fact, .. I have coached for 20+ seasons, .. I can not even imagine doing what those coaches did, nor allowing any player on my team to do something like that to another player on my team.
Period, .. they were wrong.

But I still don't agree with tucking your tail if you are being bullied. I would rather get my butt kicked than sit alone at night knowing that I was allowing this to happen to me.

you willing to die for that? Because with a nut like Incognito that is a distinct possibility

 

[dropdeadfred5]

What would Larry Allen have done? Erik Williams? Mark Tuinei?

So are you willing to put your life and your families life on the line to look tough?

 

[WV Cowboy]

now it's time for the insane one to be dealt with.

RI's role kind of has changed if what they are saying about the coaches instigating this is true.
If this was all his idea and he was just being a huge jerk, that is one thing.

If he was only following orders, only doing what the coaches told him to do, that is another thing entirely.

Neither is good, but they are definetly different.

 

[erod]

So are you willing to put your life and your families life on the line to look tough?

NFL players do it every weekend.

 

[erod]

The straw that broke the camel's back here was just a bunch of players getting up and walking away when he sat down for lunch. As a joke, albeit an immature one.

That's what made Martin finally leave the team.

Think about that. An NFL offensive lineman and first-round pick.

 

[WV Cowboy]

you willing to die for that? Because with a nut like Incognito that is a distinct possibility

Really, how many people has he killed?

It is usually the bully that gets killed anyway, ... the one that is getting bullied eventually snaps and kills somebody. (see school shootings, etc.)

If the stories are true that the coaches put RI up to this, then Martin was never in any real danger at all.
Incognito wasn't lashing out and attacking Martin from the evil in his heart, .. he was just following orders.

 

[erod]

No its just hard for men to understand.

Kind of like playing real football is for women?

See how that works?