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originally quoted by ddg33:

I don't know how much you can blame the coaches. At one time, it looked like the line was going to good.

Nothing personal okay!

But what line were you seeing? I don't ever remember last seasons line looking even average. And why is it that other teams lose multiple players on the o-line and they don't have guys giving up 13 sacks?

How well would Troy have played with this line? Give Bledsoe a freakin' break!
 

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My point is, no one ever really got to see the line that Parcells and Jerry had in mind.

Jacob Rogers got hurt before he got to play a regular season game.
Flozell gets hurt within a month of the regular season.
Marco Rivera gets hurt right after signing his contract, before we ever get to see him.
Dan Campbell also gets hurt within the first month of a season, even though he continued to try to play through it.

With that in mind, I tend to give management a break...

Sure, I guess you can blame them for not having great backups all across the line, but how many teams can replace both of their starting tackles, while still trying to cover up the injuries that guys like Rivera and Campbell are playing through?
 

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GoCowboysGo said:
originally quoted by ddg33:



Nothing personal okay!

But what line were you seeing? I don't ever remember last seasons line looking even average. And why is it that other teams lose multiple players on the o-line and they don't have guys giving up 13 sacks?

How well would Troy have played with this line? Give Bledsoe a freakin' break!

See '89. Mucho el Worse-o
 

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I blame management because they knew that we have a qb that needs very good protection to play well, but went into the season thin on the line. If you have Bledsoe at qb, you MUST have a solid line AND solid backups. Parcells failed at this. I don't think very highly of Petitti and cannot say that I saw any flashes from him that would make me think that he can be productive in the NFL, but he did play through an ankle injury along with being a rookie. We don't know how much his injury affected his play. I don't want him cut (wouldn't be upset either), but I don't think he should be in the plans as a starter. If he is improved and wins a starter or even backup job, then good, but I would have two players for him to beat out to get there.
 

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Petitti played well until Flo went down. Considering the sheer number of injuries across the front 6, I think the poor play of the line as a whole was not at all the fault of Rob.

I don't think he is too slow footed to play. I actually think he has relatively quick feet for his size. Don't forget that foot speed is related inversely to wingspan and body width. Guys that are harder to get around need only to be strong and physical. Flo does not have good footspeed relative to someone like Sheilds.

Where Rob needs to improve is in his lower body strength, arm strength, and punch. He was at a disadvantage last year being forced to lose so much weight coming into the season. Generally he'd be able to spend the season learning the playbook, working on his endurance and recognition then using the next off season to build strength. But no one really expected him to start so early.

I honestly think he'll be starting for this team this year. I felt he showed in the early part of the season that he could be a better Tackle than Tucker.
 

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"Petitti played well until Flo went down."
Really???? He had help on most passing plays and rarely moved anyone on run plays. He wasn't exposed because Flo was usually left alone and that allowed them to 'hide' Petitti.

"Where Rob needs to improve is in his lower body strength, arm strength, and punch."
Agreed. That and staying in proper position.

"I honestly think he'll be starting for this team this year."
God, I hope you are wrong!

"I felt he showed in the early part of the season that he could be a better Tackle than Tucker."
That's not saying much and I don't necessarily agree with it either. Tucker could keep the de off Bledsoe when he has help too and he can run block better. Tucker shouldnt' be the benchmark for anything. Can Petitti be a quality starter? I think its best to plan for him to be on the bench and if he beats out the starter than great, but I just don't see it in him. I have been wrong before, lol.
 

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dcboy said:
"Petitti played well until Flo went down."
Really???? He had help on most passing plays and rarely moved anyone on run plays. He wasn't exposed because Flo was usually left alone and that allowed them to 'hide' Petitti.

"Where Rob needs to improve is in his lower body strength, arm strength, and punch."
Agreed. That and staying in proper position.

"I honestly think he'll be starting for this team this year."
God, I hope you are wrong!

"I felt he showed in the early part of the season that he could be a better Tackle than Tucker."
That's not saying much and I don't necessarily agree with it either. Tucker could keep the de off Bledsoe when he has help too and he can run block better. Tucker shouldnt' be the benchmark for anything. Can Petitti be a quality starter? I think its best to plan for him to be on the bench and if he beats out the starter than great, but I just don't see it in him. I have been wrong before, lol.

In the early part of the season after every game we'd end up breaking down most of Rob's play with his father in the forums. I was generally in agreement with most of what he said. Where I felt Rob struggeled early on was in recognition. He had a hard time with stunts and delayed blitz. Some of that can be put down to positioning, but it's also simply experience.

What he did well was strand up blocking. I think he was excellent in engaging the player in front of him.

As the season progressed he was more exposed. Tucker commanded TE help and with Cambell ineffective or out, we didn't have anyone to really help Rob on most plays. Teams overloaded Rob's side of the field and he made several mistakes accordingly. I honestly never came up with the same figures as Stats.inc. They gave him several sacks that I felt belonged to other guys. 3 I can remember off the top of my head were Him taking the inside rusher and letting the DE get outside, where he should have been picked up by the back (Polite) but wasn't, a stunt play where his man came inside and was completely missed by Larry Allen, and another stunt, where I feel that Rivera didn't maintain his position well enough. I'm sure there were others.

One also has to account for the Bledsoe effect. Drew will always have a greater sack rate than another QB in the same situation. He has a very slow drop back, and generally will not throw the ball away as quickly as you'd like. I would say that he generally will inflate sack numbers by between 15-25% every year. That's fine though... it's part of his game. He also completes passes 5+ seconds after the snap, where most other QB's would have thrown the ball away. Still that must be accounted for in total Sacks. Any play where a RT rides his man around Drew and then the DE cuts back towards the QB and makes the tackle is not on the RT. That is on the QB. No RT in the league has better foot speed than a pass rushing DE. It's always a matter of buying time.

I agree that he must improve in run blocking. However our woes in rushing were in my opionion almost entirely on our interior 3. Larry Allen can't pull anymore, meaning that we hardly ever ran around Rob's side. Al was simply in capable of getting an intial push off the line, and Rivera tried to finesse opposing tackles instead of getting any push or penetration. I need to see our interior guys play better before I can properly judge our RT. I did think he was much better than Tucker at run blocking. Again... the thing that Rob did well was engage the man in front of him. When he was given a specific man to block (as was the case in run blocking) he did much better.

As for Starting him next year... I really think that he'll improve his fundemental strength with a year of conditioning. This should really help his initial punch, which will do wonders in buying an additional second or two on the line. I think he showed improvement in recognition in every week of the first 6 weeks. To me, this shows he'll improve further into next year. Finally, we should be better running the ball this year, which will keep teams from sending 5 or 6 rushers on nearly all plays.

Basically, all of the weaknesses he displayed last year, I really feel he's in a good position to fix in the offseason. If he had other problems, like not showing consistent improvement (making the same mental mistakes) - Tucker , showing very slow footspeed - Gurode, inability to play through injuries - Rogers, or attitude problems then I'd be more worried. Those problems are either harder or impossible to overcome.
 

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Double Trouble said:
He's pathetic. If they're counting on him for anything, the season is already lost.
You are really going to be sick when he is the starter in week 1.
 

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The fat blob of is horrible, I HOPE if the Cowboys are smart, that they'll replace him this offseason! :mad:
As pointed out earlier in this thread, LA and E. Williams didn't have stellar rookie seasons either. As a rookie, this kid was thrown into a situation he wasn't ready for, got hurt, and still gave it his all every snap. He deserves credit for what he did last year.
 

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I think most of Pettiti's problems are fixable ones. I think he's got more upside than Tucker, so why not keep him around?
 

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I hope you guys are right about Petitti. I surely don't see the promise that some of you have, but I will go back and watch some early games. You have to wonder how much his injury affected his play as well. I just hope he isn't our number one option at RT.
 

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big dog cowboy said:
You are really going to be sick when he is the starter in week 1.

not as sick as Bledsoe probably will be over it

unless there are injuries, no way is Pettiti a starter here next yr

David
 

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thats7 said:
See '89. Mucho el Worse-o

Yes it was... and that was a team with Nate Newton, Mark Tuinei, Mark Stepnoski and Kevin Gogan. All were offensive linemen who helped us win super bowls when they got more experience and a better team around them.
 
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