Rob Ryan Fired per twitter ESPNDallas **merged**

I'll defend Ryan when it comes to how he played coverage. There was no earthly way to do anything other than what he did with at least one exception. He had inadequate coverage at safety.

I don't care too much for Sensi and he cannot take up the slack for broken press coverages as he has trouble playing his position marginally to begin with. When you lost Church you lost any wiggle room there at all what little there was.

Then you add in the fact that you have people off the street playing ILB who cannot cover adequately. There goes your coverage in the flats and all the other places ILBs cover including the RBs and TEs at times esp the RBs for the most part.

That forced Ware and Spencer into coverage more often to cover for the ILBs some (you can't cover it up that well anyway but you can try some). So that takes away from the pressure that Ware and Spencer bring not to mention what Lee and Carter can bring blitzing.

It was a mess.

Still he could have said I'm not getting the pressure anyway, I'm losing the battle on 3rd downs too often and we aren't getting their offense off the field. The other side of that is you are playing at more risk for bigger plays more often by sending people who you desperately need to cover forever to begin with. You still have to do it to make the O at least think about max protect. It was a losing proposition. I'm all over that for Ryan.

My problem with Ryan and those before him is one of the single most predictors of wins and losses in the NFL is turnovers. I don't fault him for the decreased pressure that much with the decimated defense. But he never got turnovers anyway even when we were healthy. At least not enough.

I still think there is more to it than we can possibly know esp the personal side of things. And we can't know what the lure of a Lovie Smith or Ray Horton did or could do. Nor do we know if there is more up the line such as hiring consultants, offensive coordinators or even head coaches.

So stay tuned.
 
Chocolate Lab;4952494 said:
And how was our offense during that time?

I still don't understand why how bad or good the offense was has anything to do with the merits of keeping or firing Ryan.

Again, people seem to be upset over this simply because it was not Garrett's head on the chopping block. If Ryan had had our defense playing great when it was healthy or even through the injuries, then there would be reason to be upset. He did not and has rarely in his career had a top-10-caliber defense.

That was the concern about him when Dallas hired him and it proved to be a valid concern. We can do better, people.
 
Okay, I am so beyond pissed at this team right now, i need to take a break. For at least an hour or two. But I'll probably be back in 5-10 minutes.
 
Risen Star;4952501 said:
Yeah. And I'm telling him who called him doesn't mean anything.

Gotcha, i thought you misunderstood but I was just confused by your reply
 
Lodeus;4952481 said:
Do not like the thought of this. Defense will be a mess for half the season and we'll be where we are now.

Not necessarily so, two years ago the Niners picked up a whole new scheme with no offseason due to lockout and led the league in defense
 
Rob isn't a great coordinator, but he is the last coach that needed to be fired. Having a bad front line and weak safeties, no one is going to look good. I thought next season was going to tell the tale of his ability.

On the flipside, we know what Garrett offers as an offensive guy, very little. If major changes are needed, he should have been the first out of the door.

I am not angry over Rob getting canned, I am angry because someone else should have been, at least first.
 
I dont think there are many-if any- people that are mad that Rob Ryan got the boot. They are mad that he got the boot while Jason Garrett stays.

If they both got fired today, I doubt there would be much outrage at all. And no, Jason Garrett is not next to go. You fire from the top down.
 
What a joke. Another defensive coordinator under the bus while golden boy continues to crash and burn the offense.
 
Risen Star;4952496 said:
That's because of our front seven. Even when healthy, they aren't good enough.

BTW, where was all this Ryan hate prior to the firing?

Nope.

Don't hate the guy.

But I can understand the firing.

And healthy and intact, the front 7 was good enough. Maybe the best ILB pair in the NFL now. Ware and an outstanding season by Spencer. Hatcher was terrific this year. Brent had a fine year until the accident. And Coleman is a very good run defender. It was good enough until injuries and other stuff hit.
 
gimmesix;4952519 said:
I still don't understand why how bad or good the offense was has anything to do with the merits of keeping or firing Ryan.
.

Because if you have a gunshot wound, you don't try to first clip a hangnail.
 
Teague31;4952527 said:
Not necessarily so, two years ago the Niners picked up a whole new scheme with no offseason due to lockout and led the league in defense

Yes. We seem to accept that if it can't or hasn't been done successfully in Dallas then it can't be done.
 
How many times could the defense not even get lined up right the past two years.

I was very underwhelmed the whole time he was here.
 
Anyone who is honest must admit that if Rob gets fired, there also needs to be major change to the offensive coaching staff. Don't give me Skip Peete or the backup TEs coach either...
 
he pretty much threw jason under the bus.

Ryan doesn’t hesitate, however, to proclaim that his defense gave the Cowboys a chance to be a heck of a lot better than 8-8 before injuries ravaged his defense.

“When you play that way for the first 10 games, you’re supposed to be 9-1 and or 10-0,” Ryan said. “We were 5-5.”
 
dupree89;4952529 said:
I dont think there are many-if any- people that are mad that Rob Ryan got the boot. They are mad that he got the boot while Jason Garrett stays.

If they both got fired today, I doubt there would be much outrage at all.
And no, Jason Garrett is not next to go. You fire from the top down.

And that is where I am at. Ryan had his issues no doubt and if this was all in an effort to right the ship I would be okay with it. However, this is simply ignoring what the real problem was this year (injuries not included) which was the performance of the offense. It was putrid.
 
gimmesix;4952519 said:
I still don't understand why how bad or good the offense was has anything to do with the merits of keeping or firing Ryan.

Because what's good for the goose should be good for the gander. Unless that gander has flaming orange hair and is the spawn of Jim Garrett.

That was the concern about him when Dallas hired him and it proved to be a valid concern. We can do better, people.

And we can't do better at HC?
 
ak47kaehu;4952512 said:
Wow rob fired? Thank you jerry jones for once again proving to me that you are the biggest idiot in football! I though Rob did a hell of a job considering half the D was lost to injury. Also the D did not cause felix to fumble the opening kickoff or to throw 5 picks to lose both the seattle and chicago games. Dont know how jerry can put this on the D and on rob ryan! Jerry please please please go away!

You're a Commanders fan, what do you care.
 
Cajuncowboy;4952538 said:
Because if you have a gunshot wound, you don't try to first clip a hangnail.

So really everyone's anger is all about Garrett staying, not Ryan going.

So I guess it would have been better for Dallas to do nothing at all based on that logic. Instead, it fired a so-so defensive coordinator.

I support that move instead of just staying status quo. Garrett isn't going anywhere, so other changes have to be made if this team is going to compete. There are better defensive coordinators than Ryan out there who can help that side of the ball.
 
erod;4952545 said:
How many times could the defense not even get lined up right the past two years.

I was very underwhelmed the whole time he was here.

About as often as the offense when Romo would yell at people and move them around and snap the ball with 0 seconds on the clock.
 

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