Rogers Deal on Tap!

[DFWJC]

So Brees, Flacco, and Rodgers are all at 20 mill a year.

I honestly cannot see Romo's agent trying to use those contracts as comparable. You can point to Passer Rating etc. all you want. But the following is just so damning

Flacco 9 postseason wins, 1 SB
Brees, 5 postseason wins, 1 SB
Rodgers, 5 postseason wins, 1 SB
Romo, 1 postseason win, 0 SB

Fair or not, I think you're right.

It would shock me if he got 20/yr.
My guess is the team's lack of postseason success so far dings him 3 mil per year (so 17/yr)

Rodgers will be way over 20 mil/yr though.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

All of these quarterbacks are outrageously overpaid compared to the salary cap anyway, so it actually works in our favor that Romo doesn't have a ring. The Packers have been getting Rodgers on the cheap for a good while now, so this definitely affects them. By the time they pay Rodgers and Matthews they are really going to have to be smart with their resources. This only weakens the Packers, providing you never thought Rodgers would ever leave Green Bay.

 

[AbeBeta]

Here is the agents counter to that:

When the Ravens won they had a 80.6 defensive passer rating in the 2012 season.
When the Saints won they had a 68.6 defensive passer rating.
When the Packers won they had a 67.2 defensive passer rating.

Last year we were in the bottom 5 in defensive passer rating, and went 8-8. The other 4 teams went a combined 17-47. In 2011 The Cowboys again ranked in the bottom 8 in defensive passer rating, going 8-8 in the process. The other 7 teams went a combined 37-75.

His agent has a legitimate argument that no other team is asking more out of their quarterback.

Team: "We gave you a 76.9 defensive PR in 2007. Shut up."

 

[Nova]

Did Elway finally prove he could get it done? You guys have to understand there is no future without a QB. Ask the Bills and Cards and Chiefs. You can't afford to give up on a year when you have a chance to compete for a title in a leauge where teams come back from the dead to win it. You simply have to play out the string with Romo until you have to move on.

Romo isn't Elway. Garrett isn't Shannahan. Murray isn't Davis. Etc. Do you really think that Romo and co wins a championship next year? Or do you think it's more likely that we let him walk after 2013 and have nothing to show for it, stuck in a hole or possibly even worse... we pay for a 35 yr old QB that has a knack for choking with his better days behind him.

I'm tired of holding on and hoping for something special to happen. It's time we create opportunity for ourselves. And in order to create opportunity we have to sacrifice what is 'safe'.

 

[Hoofbite]

I'm gonna say that Romo's number will be lower than some have speculated.

Aside from the fact that you average is so far from what you might actually earn depending on how much is attributed to years that you will not play, I think Tony's smart enough to not place the team into a position where he absolutely has to be cut.

Just my opinion but I think the number will be lower than some think.

 

[jjktkk]

Team: "We gave you a 76.9 defensive PR in 2007. Shut up."

Or your W/L record in the playoffs.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Or your W/L record in the playoffs.

You must be thinking of baseball... in the NFL, wins are only attributed to teams. But I don't blame you... it's starting to feel like Spring. Go Rangers!!!

 

[jjktkk]

You must be thinking of baseball... in the NFL, wins are only attributed to teams. But I don't blame you... it's starting to feel like Spring. Go Rangers!!!

No, I was referring to Tony's overall playoff record, but now that you mention it, I am ready for alittle Rangers baseball.

 

[DFWJC]

I'm gonna say that Romo's number will be lower than some have speculated.

Aside from the fact that you average is so far from what you might actually earn depending on how much is attributed to years that you will not play, I think Tony's smart enough to not place the team into a position where he absolutely has to be cut.

Just my opinion but I think the number will be lower than some think.

Hope so.
I would never blame someone for getting what they can, but hoping for a slightly lower number can't hurt.

 

[Nation]

Team: "We gave you a 76.9 defensive PR in 2007. Shut up."

His offense put up more points against the eventual champions than the greatest scoring offense in NFL history. Every season that we've finished in the top 20 in DPR we have had a winning season, which puts the baseline at "just don't be horrible", and we still haven't accomplished that on a regular basis.

We have averaged an 86.2 DPR the past six years. No team has won a Super Bowl in the past twenty years with a DPR worse than that. Only one team has went to the Super Bowl in twenty years with a DPR worse than that (08 Cardinals).

The 95 Cowboys had a 72.3 DPR, the 93 Cowboys 75.3, and the 92 Cowboys 69.9. Each of those is twenty points better than any season in our past 3 years. That's the same difference between Peyton/Brady and Tarvaris Jackson.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

No, I was referring to Tony's overall playoff record, but now that you mention it, I am ready for alittle Rangers baseball.

He doesn't have one. QBs amass stats like attempts, yards, touchdowns and interceptions. There is no way to amass a "win" (rightfully so, as it would be stupid to think that one person "wins" a game in football, the ultimate team sport).

It's funny that in baseball, there has been a movement towards intelligent analysis that is finally taking hold as the pitcher "win" has been debunked. We now have pitchers with low win totals competing for and winning the Cy Young. Meanwhile in football you have buffoon media and fans spouting about QB wins and it's not even an official statistic... deifying the QB to the point where Joe freaking Flacco makes 20 million.

 

[Hoofbite]

Hope so.
I would never blame someone for getting what they can, but hoping for a slightly lower number can't hurt.

Getting what you can doesn't mean that you actually get anything close to what you could have. If that makes sense.

If your contract is half accounted for the final two years, you can pretty much kiss that money goodbye.

Brady is applauded for taking a pay cut of some sort but I think he did everything within his power to guarantee that he retains his roster spot for the entire duration of the contract. Had he went for 100M, a ton of that money would have been put in the final couple years and I don't see any team willing to take that big of a cap hit for a guy who's 40+ and isn't in the longterm plans.

 

[AbeBeta]

His offense put up more points against the eventual champions than the greatest scoring offense in NFL history. Every season that we've finished in the top 20 in DPR we have had a winning season, which puts the baseline at "just don't be horrible", and we still haven't accomplished that on a regular basis.

We have averaged an 86.2 DPR the past six years. No team has won a Super Bowl in the past twenty years with a DPR worse than that. Only one team has went to the Super Bowl in twenty years with a DPR worse than that (08 Cardinals).

The 95 Cowboys had a 72.3 DPR, the 93 Cowboys 75.3, and the 92 Cowboys 69.9. Each of those is twenty points better than any season in our past 3 years. That's the same difference between Peyton/Brady and Tarvaris Jackson.

Please. You are stretching.

Also you ignore the offense's role in the defensive PR statistic. An offense that scores early forces the opponent to get one dimensional. If you put the opponent in a hole, you can sit back and play pass first. Advantage defense.

How is Tony doing in that regard last year?

Let's see. 1st quarter PR in 2012: 61.3 (6 ints!)

Despite being 8-8, we pretty much played from behind in nearly every game all year.

Our pass D may have sucked but having an offense that doesn't score early and can't keep the ball away from the opponent early, plays a huge role in that.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Love romo but this team cant compete with or without him. Just not worth it to pay him and spencer when we cant compete. The whole team and coaching staff just isnt that good. We need to trade him and spencer and rebuild. Build on our young talent and move on. The nfc is way too stacked right now. It sucks but more 8-8 seasons are just going to make it worse. This team just cannot do it like so many still hold hope it can. Its just time to let go.

Aren't you the one that predicted with 6 games left, .. that we would lose 5 of our last 6 games?

Yea, I thought so.

You just like to find fault and tear down.

I see your prediction for next season too.

 

[jjktkk]

He doesn't have one. QBs amass stats like attempts, yards, touchdowns and interceptions. There is no way to amass a "win" (rightfully so, as it would be stupid to think that one person "wins" a game in football, the ultimate team sport).

It's funny that in baseball, there has been a movement towards intelligent analysis that is finally taking hold as the pitcher "win" has been debunked. We now have pitchers with low win totals competing for and winning the Cy Young. Meanwhile in football you have buffoon media and fans spouting about QB wins and it's not even an official statistic... deifying the QB to the point where Joe freaking Flacco makes 20 million.

If this was the case, Tony would not be such a polarizing figure in the NFL. And at the end of the day, bottom line, however you want to word it, its about wins and losses. Tonys a very good qb, but he still has not won in the playoffs. It is what it is.

 

[Nightman]

Brees is being paid 60m over 3 years, actual money
Flacco is getting 61m over 3 years
Brady is getting 40m over 3 years

Tony should be around 36-39m over 3 years. His last deal was 5/67.5m and he will get every penny of that deal. He can sign a fake deal for his agent or a real deal he will actually collect.

This is money they will all get. If you restructure their deals, they get even more money upfront, not less. Brady took a big pay cut, there is no way around it. His last deal was 4/72, the new one is 5/57. He may get more later, but he may not. Kraft just made it pretty clear with Welker that he doesn't answer to Brady. Tony Romo is not Tom Brady.

 

[StarBoyz83]

Aren't you the one that predicted with 6 games left, .. that we would lose 5 of our last 6 games?

Yea, I thought so.

You just like to find fault and tear down.

I see your prediction for next season too.

Yep and we also went 8-8 like I predicted before last season. The team did pull together just enough at the end to eek out an 8-8 and suprise me.

 

[DFWJC]

Yep and we also went 8-8 like I predicted before last season. The team did pull together just enough at the end to eek out an 8-8 and suprise me.

Hey SB

I'd do some sort of bet (sig bet?) on that 7-9 prediction.
Say 8-8 nobody wins.
Anything worse, you win.
Anything better, I win.

Up for it?

If Romo is not extended, all bets are off though.

 

[fairviewfarmer]

I don't know if I'm willing to give up on the year, but I somewhat share your sentiments. We have great young pieces... we really shouldn't hinder their future by investing all of our cap space in guys that have proven they can't get it done.

agree

 

[burmafrd]

Elway had how many playoff wins? How many Super Bowl appearances before winning the BIG Game?

How many playoff wins does Romo have?

In 15 years how many rings did he get before his last 2?