Rogers Deal on Tap!

[Muhast]

Oh boy! More from the "what if?" crowd.

Results are facts. What if is fantasy. Teams pay for facts.

Not really.

Teams draft guys with athletic potential over guys who produce ALL THE TIME in the draft. Teams spend lots of money on athletic players on a "what if he pans out" approach over guys who were all conference every single year.

Just saying.

 

[dstone2962]

Romo's response.........."and if Crayton doesnt stop on his route, we are in the NFC title game".


"Now pay me my money or enjoy 3 win seasons, your choice".

We don't make the playoffs with him or without him. Why pay a quarterback who just builds up a fan bases hope and then crushes them every year in embarrassing fashion on an annual basis?

 

[dstone2962]

I don't know what the exact number is that he deserves, but based on how good of a QB he is and the current market, he deserves to be paid like a top 5-10 QB. If his number ends up coming in at fourth highest or something, so be it. Some of it has to do with timing of whe your contract is up.

Top 5? Are you joking? I could see him at ten.

 

[BIGDen]

Top 5? Are you joking? I could see him at ten.

Read much? I said "5-10". Whether you think he's the 5th, 7th, or 10th best QB in the league doesn't really matter. It's a RANGE and he will not, and should not, be paid lower than QBs in that range regardless of what your opinion of him may be. Perhaps you were referring to my "fourth" comment. Read it again. That has to do with the timing of the deal. If a top 3 player just got paid a couple of years ago, then a player who is not quite as highly rated might end up making as much or more than him a couple of year later when his deal is due. It's just about the market and timing sometimes.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Yep and we also went 8-8 like I predicted before last season. The team did pull together just enough at the end to eek out an 8-8 and suprise me.

You can't be serious !

If you throw enough varied predictions out there, surely you willl hit on one of them. :laugh2:

In this case, if your "prediction" to lose 5 of the last 6 turned out to be right, then your "8-8 prediction" would have been wrong.

Oh, and why did 8-8 surprise you when that's what you predicted preseason?

This is hilarious.

Maybe you should just post and leave predictions to all of the other geniuses on this site.

 

[AbeBeta]

Not really.

Teams draft guys with athletic potential over guys who produce ALL THE TIME in the draft. Teams spend lots of money on athletic players on a "what if he pans out" approach over guys who were all conference every single year.

Just saying.

Silly analogy. We know exactly what Romo has and has not accomplished at this level. The comparison you make is meaningless.

 

[burmafrd]

Silly analogy. We know exactly what Romo has and has not accomplished at this level. The comparison you make is meaningless.

Romo has made mistakes when it counted. But others made just as many, if not more.

That 2007 Giants game was just so close to going our way. Fasano, Crayton, the O line getting gassed- those are much bigger reasons we lost then Tony. If you cannot see that then you are truly blind.

 

[T-RO]

Love romo but this team cant compete with or without him. Just not worth it to pay him and spencer when we cant compete. The whole team and coaching staff just isnt that good. We need to trade him and spencer and rebuild. Build on our young talent and move on. The nfc is way too stacked right now. It sucks but more 8-8 seasons are just going to make it worse. This team just cannot do it like so many still hold hope it can. Its just time to let go.

The Radplan would have been better than this! Sadly the reality is:
Jerry Jones = The Death of Hope

 

[AbeBeta]

Romo has made mistakes when it counted. But others made just as many, if not more.

That 2007 Giants game was just so close to going our way. Fasano, Crayton, the O line getting gassed- those are much bigger reasons we lost then Tony. If you cannot see that then you are truly blind.

I have been a long time Romo supporter. I think he is an outstanding QB.

However, he doesn't stack up against Brees, Rodgers, and even Flacco in that he hasn't had any (save for one game) post season success. You want to get paid like those guys, you have to show results.

 

[Section446]

So Brees, Flacco, and Rodgers are all at 20 mill a year.

I honestly cannot see Romo's agent trying to use those contracts as comparable. You can point to Passer Rating etc. all you want. But the following is just so damning

Flacco 9 postseason wins, 1 SB
Brees, 5 postseason wins, 1 SB
Rodgers, 5 postseason wins, 1 SB
Romo, 1 postseason win, 0 SB

This...

 

[dalexa1824]

I'm gonna say that Romo's number will be lower than some have speculated.

Aside from the fact that you average is so far from what you might actually earn depending on how much is attributed to years that you will not play, I think Tony's smart enough to not place the team into a position where he absolutely has to be cut.

Just my opinion but I think the number will be lower than some think.

I think it will be higher than some think!!!

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Rodgers is to me far better than Tony.

He should wait to see if the Cowboys get this done with Romo & then sign his deal.

 

[respectdatstar]

I understand Brees, Romo and Rodgers want to get paid 20M/year. But every dollar they get paid is a dollar that could've gone to another position. How are teams with "Elite" QBs going to be able to field a Super Bowl contending team with close to 20% of their salary cap going to 1 player?

 

[Hoofbite]

I understand Brees, Romo and Rodgers want to get paid 20M/year. But every dollar they get paid is a dollar that could've gone to another position. How are teams with "Elite" QBs going to be able to field a Super Bowl contending team with close to 20% of their salary cap going to 1 player?

Their QB will score more than other team's QBs will.

Minimize bad contracts as much as possible that make crappy players have high cap hits.

How much worse off would Dallas be if Doug Free wasn't on the team and all his cap space was tacked onto Tony's cap number?

Would be no worse off at all in terms of the quality of the team.

Having players who earn their cap figures isn't as big of a problem as having players who don't.

 

[Hoofbite]

Rodgers is to me far better than Tony.

He should wait to see if the Cowboys get this done with Romo & then sign his deal.

I don't think it would help him.

Joe Flacco's deal is already out there and Rodgers is WAY better than Flacco.

Waiting on Tony's deal doesn't help him at all because Tony is going to be 33 here soon and Rodgers just turned 29. Romo's numbers could look really huge but also be because of a couple of years on the back end that he will likely never see.

Rodgers will likely play another 5 seasons at minimum so there's no way that either party would want a deal that has the bulk of the money in years 4 or 5. It's not good for either of them. It creates too much of a cap hit for the team and if the player's performance falls prior to year 4, he's not going to cash in on that huge base salary.

 

[Hoofbite]

I think it will be higher than some think!!!

How high?

 

[Hoofbite]

Brady had 2 years left on the 4/72 extension he signed in 2011 and they still owed him 30m of that. They effectively gave him a new 5 year deal worth 57m and tore up his old deal. He gets a 30m signing bonus paid over 3 years and salaries of 1m, 2m, 7m, 8m and 9m thru 2017. He will collect 40m over the first 3 years and 2016 and 2017 are guaranteed for injury. I think Spotrac has his numbers wrong if that is where you are looking.

I agree that Romo should go the Brady route and take a deal like his last one, 6/67m that he will actually see instead of one that forces a decision in 3 years when he will be 35.

Looks like you are right.

I looked around and you seem to have it correct.

Also though, if Brady finishes the 2014 season on the roster the remaining base salaries are guaranteed no matter what.

So, it's almost fully guaranteed which is kind of nuts.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

I don't think it would help him.

Joe Flacco's deal is already out there and Rodgers is WAY better than Flacco.

Waiting on Tony's deal doesn't help him at all because Tony is going to be 33 here soon and Rodgers just turned 29. Romo's numbers could look really huge but also be because of a couple of years on the back end that he will likely never see.

Rodgers will likely play another 5 seasons at minimum so there's no way that either party would want a deal that has the bulk of the money in years 4 or 5. It's not good for either of them. It creates too much of a cap hit for the team and if the player's performance falls prior to year 4, he's not going to cash in on that huge base salary.

Yea. You're right.

 

[DFWJC]

Looks like you are right.

I looked around and you seem to have it correct.

Also though, if Brady finishes the 2014 season on the roster the remaining base salaries are guaranteed no matter what.

So, it's almost fully guaranteed which is kind of nuts.

Brady's deal is much better than some think.
But since it's his 4th contract and he's married to someone who makes more than he does, I can see him giving some sort of discount.

Most top end players want at least two big deals in their career.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Results are facts. What if is fantasy. Teams pay for facts.

Is this considered irony ?