Romo and Dez

[blackbull]

Kitna came in and performed pretty well. He managed about a 88.9 passer rating that year. In comparison, since Dez got here, Romo has been 97.6, 94.9(in five full games), and 102.5. That's a sizeable difference. Really seems that Romo is maximizing everyone's talent.

More importantly, Romo is reinforcing what the coaching staff tells Dez every week. Run your routes right and finish each play. When Dez does that, the ball comes his way. When he doesn't, he gets nothing.

The CBs in this league are simply too good for Dez to get by week after week playing street ball. At this point, only Dez can maximize Dez's talents,

So why does Witten get more targets than Miles? Miles runs the wrong routes also? Bs

 

[ufcrules1]

So why does Witten get more targets than Miles? Miles runs the wrong routes also? Bs

Agree, the wrong routes is BS, I would say it is either poor play calling by Garrett or Romo not trusting his receiver the way he should ala Eli throwing to Nicks and Cruz. Get a one and one and throw that sucker up there, both Dez and Miles have shown time and time again they will go up and get it.

Instead, we get boring 3 yard check down passes to Witten ad nauseum.

Dez is not the problem here.. he did just fine his ROOKIE season with Kitna of all people throwing him the ball.

 

[AbeBeta]

So why does Witten get more targets than Miles? Miles runs the wrong routes also? Bs

Jason Witten was targeted 13 times this season. Austin was targeted 14.

Last year? Miles 73 targets in 10 games (7.3 per game). Witten? 117 in 16 (7.3 per game). Several of those games saw Miles take limited snaps b/c of injury. I expect he would have had more targets if he wasn't sitting out so many snaps.

In 2010, Miles got 119 and Witten 124.

In 2009 he saw 124 passes come his way. Witten also saw 124. Oh yeah, Miles didn't start until mid-season that year.

Seems like Miles is targeted just as much as Witten. Given that he's been limited by injury and wasn't even a starter for much of 2009, it would be fair to say that he's targeted more often per snap.

Do you have any other arguments that you would like me to destroy or are we done here?

 

[anj113]

I've been thinking that for awhile now and I'm a big Romo supporter but i want you guys opinions...

Is Tony Romo the right QB to maximize Dez potential with what he already knows? Because even not knowing the playbook as far the whole route tree goes and recognition of coverages ( as far as I'm concerned it is what it is right now)...Think about when Kitna was palying with Dez, Kitna would still throw balls up to Dez and gave him a chance to make a play doubled or not allah Eli Manning who does throw those types of balls quite frequently and gives his receiver a chance to make a play...Maybe I'm wrong and over analyzing this, but have anybody else thought about it this way?

OH MAN!!!! COme on people.. Stop it.. THIS IS ALL ON DEZ, ALL OF IT.... IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE QB... Garrett even admitted that Dez didnt compete this week.. Please no more exuses for this guy.. The guy has nothing between his ears...Dez is a child in a man's body...The guy does not have the mental makeup to be great. ITS ALL ON HIM..

 

[anj113]

By the way, I wasn't screaming at you per say, just saying its no one fault but Dez period.

 

[Doomsday]

I would love for someone with All-22 access to brake down what is really going on and enlighten us. Are Dez and Miles not getting open, or is Romo looking else where? Are they not getting separation or is Romo troubling to make plays inside the pocket? Is it the protection?

 

[SacramentoKing]

I agree they need to give Dez a couple more jump balls a game similar to the one Austin took to the house couple weeks ago.

 

[blackbull]

Jason Witten was targeted 13 times this season. Austin was targeted 14.

Last year? Miles 73 targets in 10 games (7.3 per game). Witten? 117 in 16 (7.3 per game). Several of those games saw Miles take limited snaps b/c of injury. I expect he would have had more targets if he wasn't sitting out so many snaps.

In 2010, Miles got 119 and Witten 124.

In 2009 he saw 124 passes come his way. Witten also saw 124. Oh yeah, Miles didn't start until mid-season that year.

Seems like Miles is targeted just as much as Witten. Given that he's been limited by injury and wasn't even a starter for much of 2009, it would be fair to say that he's targeted more often per snap.

Do you have any other arguments that you would like me to destroy or are we done here?

Ummm Week 1 witten was targeted way less and the offense looked great. Last week 10 targets and we sucked. 2009 has nothing to do with 2012. Dez wasn't here. Unless you show me target breakdowns from other years broken down game by game you didn't destroy anything. I know the target numbers for 2012 and the results are pretty clear. Try again

 

[blackbull]

I would love for someone with All-22 access to brake down what is really going on and enlighten us. Are Dez and Miles not getting open, or is Romo looking else where? Are they not getting separation or is Romo troubling to make plays inside the pocket? Is it the protection?

Did you see the td Julio Jones dropped Monday night? No separation and still got the target. Nuff said.

 

[ufcrules1]

OH MAN!!!! COme on people.. Stop it.. THIS IS ALL ON DEZ, ALL OF IT.... IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE QB... Garrett even admitted that Dez didnt compete this week.. Please no more exuses for this guy.. The guy has nothing between his ears...Dez is a child in a man's body...The guy does not have the mental makeup to be great. ITS ALL ON HIM..

I disagree with you. Dez did drop some balls on Sunday and had an off day.. but Romo needs to throw it up to him more often even when covered and let him go up and get it. The receiver typically has the advantage in those situations. Especially a guy like Dez or Miles.

Explain why Kitna had a lot more success with Dez than Romo does.

The play calling needs to change in Dallas.

 

[anj113]

I disagree with you. Dez did drop some balls on Sunday and had an off day.. but Romo needs to throw it up to him more often even when covered and let him go up and get it. The receiver typically has the advantage in those situations. Especially a guy like Dez or Miles.

Explain why Kitna had a lot more success with Dez than Romo does.

The play calling needs to change in Dallas.

SO what do you do, get rid of ROmo? Come on now..

 

[Doomsday]

Did you see the td Julio Jones dropped Monday night? No separation and still got the target. Nuff said.

No argument here, I think Romo has to trust him a bit more. Kitna's sole focus when he took over for Romo was to get the ball to Dez. Dez hasnt been nearly as productive with Romo so you have to wonder.

I will also say how can JG cause confusion in the secondary if he isnt moving a guy like this around. He has to be accounted for, if not then why is EVERY single team Dallas plays doubling him most of the game?

 

[Jenky]

Jason Witten was targeted 13 times this season. Austin was targeted 14.

Last year? Miles 73 targets in 10 games (7.3 per game). Witten? 117 in 16 (7.3 per game). Several of those games saw Miles take limited snaps b/c of injury. I expect he would have had more targets if he wasn't sitting out so many snaps.

In 2010, Miles got 119 and Witten 124.

In 2009 he saw 124 passes come his way. Witten also saw 124. Oh yeah, Miles didn't start until mid-season that year.

Seems like Miles is targeted just as much as Witten. Given that he's been limited by injury and wasn't even a starter for much of 2009, it would be fair to say that he's targeted more often per snap.

Do you have any other arguments that you would like me to destroy or are we done here?

Ummm Week 1 witten was targeted way less and the offense looked great. Last week 10 targets and we sucked. 2009 has nothing to do with 2012. Dez wasn't here. Unless you show me target breakdowns from other years broken down game by game you didn't destroy anything. I know the target numbers for 2012 and the results are pretty clear. Try again

Yep. Witten was hurt. He saw less targets week 1 since he was asked to block way more.

 

[AbeBeta]

Ummm Week 1 witten was targeted way less and the offense looked great. Last week 10 targets and we sucked. 2009 has nothing to do with 2012. Dez wasn't here. Unless you show me target breakdowns from other years broken down game by game you didn't destroy anything. I know the target numbers for 2012 and the results are pretty clear. Try again

Well that's a great argument! In one game we didn't throw much to Witten and we did great. In the other we threw a bunch to Witten and we sucked. Don't attend to the fact that on AT LEAST ONE of those Witten targets we had a bad results because Dez gave up on his route. Don't attend to the fact that we targeted Austin more in the Seattle game (10) than in the Giant game (5).

You said Witten was targeted more than Miles. What you ask for is meaningless. Your argument is blown.

Oh yeah, 2009 is relevant as you made the argument that Miles was targeted less than Witten. Which is clearly not correct.

 

[fortdick]

As long as Witten is on the field.....Romo will force feed it to him....

So should which would you rather have, Witten or Dez? If I had to make a choice, Dez is gone.

 

[DMAC]

SO what do you do, get rid of ROmo? Come on now..

What have we won with Romo as our QB? OH, yeah, I remember, not squat!

 

[AbeBeta]

Did you see the td Julio Jones dropped Monday night? No separation and still got the target. Nuff said.

It's a freaking hail mary at the end of a game. How is that relevant?

 

[Jenky]

Well that's a great argument! In one game we didn't throw much to Witten and we did great. In the other we threw a bunch to Witten and we sucked. Don't attend to the fact that on AT LEAST ONE of those Witten targets we had a bad results because Dez gave up on his route. Don't attend to the fact that we targeted Austin more in the Seattle game (10) than in the Giant game (5).

You said Witten was targeted more than Miles. What you ask for is meaningless. Your argument is blown.

Oh yeah, 2009 is relevant as you made the argument that Miles was targeted less than Witten. Which is clearly not correct.

On that play, another poster claims that Witten ran the wrong route and that it was supposed to be an out route instead of an in route. Have you heard anything about this?

thread: http://cowboyszone.com/forums/dallascowboys.php?t=243417&page=2&highlight=dez

post: http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4736993&postcount=29

 

[Doomsday]

It's a freaking hail mary at the end of a game. How is that relevant?

No he dropped a TD in the 1st quarter after Manning's second interception. It was a really nice throw by Matt Ryan when Julio was pretty well covered but he dropped it.

 

[AbeBeta]

On that play, another poster claims that Witten ran the wrong route and that it was supposed to be an out route instead of an in route. Have you heard anything about this?

thread: http://cowboyszone.com/forums/dallascowboys.php?t=243417&page=2&highlight=dez

post: http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4736993&postcount=29

Even if Witten ran the wrong route AND Dez finishes his route, you don't get a pick.

Garrett said today in the presser that Dez wasn't finishing his routes -- so clearly among the folks who know what the plays are, there is an issue with how Dez is running routes.