Romo best All-Time in TDs per game

[NeonNinja]

Judas, the trophy is in Pitt due to their defense. I'll keep it to that seeing how Pep just owned you enough.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I just made an interesting discovery... While working on my QB stats I realized that Tony Romo is the only QB in NFL history who has averaged 2.02 TDs per game (including playoff games) for his career, at least of guys with over 10,000 career passing yards anyway. He has 83 TDs in 41 games!

The next highest is Kurt Warner with 208 TDs in 112 games (1.86 per game).

Peyton Manning is at 1.83, Steve Young, Daryle Lamonica, and Sonny Jurgensen are at 1.80.

For comparison sake, Tom Brady is at 1.76, and Brett Favre is at 1.73.

When talking about Tony Romo's faults let's not forget to take into consideration his assets, which are considerable.

and all caught by TO

we're ****ed

 

[tomson75]

That he had a broken pinky this season? That he was on the run for most of the year due to a porous offensive line? That fumbles can be cut down on with better mechanics and coaching, while generally TDs and INTs and YPA are more a direct guage of talent (hence why they are included in QB rating and fumbles aren't)?

I'll take a great QB anyday if his worst fault is not being able to hold on to the ball when he gets hit. That's something I can address directly - stop getting him hit.

Spot on.

I don't see any of the people coming to Romo's defense in this thread saying he is without fault....but I do see his detractors clinging to the opposite end of the spectrum pretty hard. It's pretty clear which group of fans is being more rational.

Romo needs to improve, especially in the turnover department, but he is a skilled QB with a ton of ability.

 

[NeonNinja]

I agree 100% Tomson.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

1. How many clutch wins does Romo have.

Depends on what you think are clutch. Is it only clutch if it's a playoff game? Is it only clutch after the season is over and you get to see the total of the season?

In the last couple of years he's been clutch in the closing moments of games to either help us win or put us into position to win. He was as good as you can be in the end at Buffalo (Despite being horrible prior to that) in helping get us the final points we needed at the end to win the game. People often over look that cause he played poorly prior to that and then when the season was over it was just because it was a regular season game.

He was pretty darn good for us against the Skins and Giants this year in games we just HAD TO HAVE in order to have any shot at the playoffs. Yet while people considered those 'big' 'must win' games prior to the game, saying he had to prove himself by getting those W's, they quickly dismissed them as not important the moment that he helped Dallas win those games.

He lead us back against Detriot in 07 in the final minutes to win a game that we had no business winning. That win gave us the Division and ultimately set us up to lock up homefield the following week. But, again, that didn't count I guess cause it was just regular season and doesn't fit the "He never is clutch" idea.

He put us in position not 1 time but 2 times against the Ravens this year, with a chance to lock up a playoff spot, only to watch on the sideline in horror as his defense allowed the Ravens to bust two straight 70+ yard TD runs to destroy any comeback hopes.

But I'm sure you'll do like many others and claim those aren't big wins cause of this reason or that reason or this stat or that stat. Even with the ones that were big prior to the game the moment he did well and helped lead them to a win they weren't big anymore.


2. How many times has he missed an opened receiver in the clutch.

How many times have other QB's missed open receivers in the clutch? Do you think he's the only one whose ever not been perfect? Go back and take a look at some of the mistakes Young, Montana, Aikman, and others made in the clutch moments of games. It happens, it's part of the game.


3. How many times has he thrown an interception in games we truly needed him?

Are there games that we don't truly need him? How many times has he lead TD drives or thrown TDs in games that we truly needed him? (If your answer is anything less than every single game he's played in that he's thrown TDs then you're insane. We truly need him in every game and it was made pretty clear during our 3 game stretch without him this year).


4. How great are his stats without the HOF WR?

How great were Aikmans without Irvin? How amazing was Montana when he played without Rice? How awesome would Peyton Manning be without Harrison and/or Wayne? This seems like one of the dumbest questions I've ever seen anyone throw out to attempt to make their point.


5. How many play off victories has he won?

Zero. Nothing can be said to defend that. Of course there was no defense of that stat for Peyton, Eli, Troy, Young, ect. until they actually did it. So whats really the point of that question?


6. How many play off losses has he had.

2. Now tell me how many great QBs in history don't have playoff losses. Right off hand I can't recall a single great QB in the history of the game who never lost a playoff game.


7. Why didn't he make the pro-bowl last year?

Pro-Bowl means nothing and people have been saying that now for years. It's funny how it means nothing when guys make it but then when they don't the same people are all like..."Well how come he didn't make the pro bowl, huh? Why?"


8. How many NFC championship games does he have?

Zero. Dang we ought to just cut the bum and get rid of him after his first 3 seasons as starter cause he hasn't got a NFC Championship game. After all that's what we did with Troy when he hadn't won a playoff game, or got to an NFC title game, after his first three years as the starter either.

Oh wait...no we didn't.


9. How many Super Bowl Victories does he have?

How many does Dan Marino have? How many did Aikman win after the team wasn't a Superbowl team anymore? How many times did Montana win Superbowls in KC without the rest of the team playing like champions?

Can you name me a QB who has a superbowl title that they won all on their own? I'd be interested to know about this great player who just won a Superbowl, or more, entirely by himself cause that's a pretty amazing feat.


10. If he's the best, why is Roethlisberger holding a fat trophy and ring.

Go dig up those stats boss man.

Well man then every team in the league, not named the Pittsburgh Steelers, better be cutting their QBs cause they're not Big Ben. Man who knew that in the team game of football that the Steelers only won the championship this year because Big Ben is the absolute best player in the world and did it all on his own.

You hear that Harrison? That nifty INT return for a TD you had in the Superbowl...nothing. It meant nothing. The Steelers only won cause Big Ben is the greatst player of all time. The rest of you boys can just sit down and watch from now on, apparently football isn't a team sport anymore.

 

[NeonNinja]

 

[gbrittain]

Spot on.

I don't see any of the people coming to Romo's defense in this thread saying he is without fault....but I do see his detractors clinging to the opposite end of the spectrum pretty hard. It's pretty clear which group of fans is being more rational.

Romo needs to improve, especially in the turnover department, but he is a skilled QB with a ton of ability.

I criticized Romo plenty when he deserved it. There are areas he does need to improve on, but the Romo haters are hilarious...you are correct they do not operate in the realm of reality.

I don't have time for them. If Romo goes on to win 4 consecutive Super Bowls the same haters will tell you why he had nothing to do with it.

If Dallas goes 0-16 because the defense allows 50 points per game, that to will be Romo's fault. There is nothing he could ever do to change their minds. It is about ego at this point. Might as well argue with a fence post.

 

[superpunk]

Romo is obviously the greatest QB in history - the stats bear it out. He makes no mistakes, is as clutch as they come, and does everything he can to lead his team to victory. It's not his fault that he's had crappy receivers like Ol' Alligator Arms demanding the ball the past few years, and holding him back from being EVEN BETTER.
This was all tongue in cheek. I was just playing the stereotype that all the Romo haters think they are arguing against, but who doesn't actually exist.

 

[THUMPER]

Well man then every team in the league, not named the Pittsburgh Steelers, better be cutting their QBs cause they're not Big Ben. Man who knew that in the team game of football that the Steelers only won the championship this year because Big Ben is the absolute best player in the world and did it all on his own.

You hear that Harrison? That nifty INT return for a TD you had in the Superbowl...nothing. It meant nothing. The Steelers only won cause Big Ben is the greatst player of all time. The rest of you boys can just sit down and watch from now on, apparently football isn't a team sport anymore.

I guess these geniuses never stopped to look at what Big Ben did in 2008. He had 1 more turnover than Tony Romo yet he had 9 fewer TDs than Romo. Wait, that can't be right can it? He was also sacked more than twice as often as Romo was, 46 - 20. Huh? How can Ben not be 10-times better than that sorry POS Romo when he has 2 SB rings and Romo has ZERO?

Is it possible that the Stealers defense and STs were just that much better than ours? Could it be that they had the help of the refs at times? Could they have just gotten lucky once in a while? Nope, that can't be it because we all KNOW that Ben Roethlisberger is the sole reason why they have won 2 SBs since he arrived. And Romo is the sole reason why we haven't won a playoff game in 12 seasons.

Nimrods!:bang2: :bang2: :bang2:

There's a reason why so many people are on my ignore list these days.

 

[Vintage]

Romo is obviously the greatest QB in history - the stats bear it out. He makes no mistakes, is as clutch as they come, and does everything he can to lead his team to victory. It's not his fault that he's had crappy receivers like Ol' Alligator Arms demanding the ball the past few years, and holding him back from being EVEN BETTER.
This was all tongue in cheek. I was just playing the stereotype that all the Romo haters think they are arguing against, but who doesn't actually exist.

This post is full of win.

 

[sonnyboy]

Like the great Terry Bradshaw answered when asked, "what is your QB rating?"

His reply, "Four and 0 in SuperBowls"

Team stat!


I understand that W's, L's and Championships are afixed to QB along with his stats.

I get it. And at the end of Romo's career, it will mean more than the stats.

I see two schools of thought going on here.

1) Winning is just about everything. I don't disagree here. That's the bottom line. But I don't see anyone detracting from Ware's performance over the past 3 seasons because we haven't won a play-off game.

2) Stats and personal performance carry more weigth thant team accomplishments. At this point in Romo's career, you have to give this a 90% plus weighting.


For those in the first group, it's as if your thoughts and arguements border on irrational. You're so hurt by the teams failures that you find it difficult to give credit where its due.

Since mid 2006, Tony Romo has been a top 5 NFL QB. This is really no longer opinion. It's fact. You can split hairs and rank him 7 or 8. Fine. Just as valid an arguement can be made for ranking him 2 or 3.

He just does so many things well. Field vision, accuracy, quick release, pocket presence, mobility, throwing on the move.

I don't have a problem with the int's. I don't think he throws too many.

The ball security is an issue. Very correctable. If he didn't have such good pocket prescence, I'd be more concerned. But he does. The fumbles are mostly the result of poor ball security.
Although I believe he can and will cut down the fumbles, he'll always have a few more than we'd like. That's just the price we'll have to pay for him making a lot of plays on the move.

 

[THUMPER]

We should have cut Tony Dorsett because he fumbled too much.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I think he throws a few too many INT's trying to force a big play to happen, and he certainly needs to protect the ball a bit better when he's running around trying to find a open receiver to make a play with and I no doubt want him to improve, without a doubt.

But I want the whole team to improve in order to help him improve. It would help him get better if his O-Line doesn't decide to stop pass blocking the final 4-5 weeks of the season. It would help if they'd block better through out the year, instead of being very average pass blockers.

I want to see the defense be more stingy. No more giving up two straight 70+ yard runs to touchdowns in the final 5 minutes of games to completely ruin any comeback hopes that had twice been right there.

I want to see all the receivers step up and play harder, and more consistent. I need more out of the special teams in every possible fashion.

In short while Romo has things he needs to improve on, without a doubt, so do 52 other guys on the game day roster.

 

[THUMPER]

I think he throws a few too many INT's trying to force a big play to happen, and he certainly needs to protect the ball a bit better when he's running around trying to find a open receiver to make a play with and I no doubt want him to improve, without a doubt.

But I want the whole team to improve in order to help him improve. It would help him get better if his O-Line doesn't decide to stop pass blocking the final 4-5 weeks of the season. It would help if they'd block better through out the year, instead of being very average pass blockers.

I want to see the defense be more stingy. No more giving up two straight 70+ yard runs to touchdowns in the final 5 minutes of games to completely ruin any comeback hopes that had twice been right there.

I want to see all the receivers step up and play harder, and more consistent. I need more out of the special teams in every possible fashion.

In short while Romo has things he needs to improve on, without a doubt, so do 52 other guys on the game day roster.

 

[sonnyboy]

I believe that ints don't hurt quite as much as the conventional school of thought would suggest.

They're bad, but not as bad as fumbles. Those are killers.

A QB has to make plays. He has to take a few chances each game. But you have to pick your spots.

I had little problem with Tony's ints til the Ravens game. He had two in the 2nd Q, that really hurt.
The first was on 1 st down at a point we were moving the ball for the first time in like 4 drives and had some momentum. He just chucks it up 40 yards downfield in double coverage.
The 2nd was with 50 some secs left in the half. Now it was on 3rd and long, and it was a depp ball. But it was to Ed Reed who returned it back 40 yards to set up a FG to end the half. Had we punted I think thiers little chnce they move it in the 2 min offense.

Sometimes I think coaches and fans get a little carried away with turnovers. Turnovers, turnovers, turnovers. As if you'd never lose a game without one.

Turnovers and rushing attempts. Everyone gets so caught up with the statistical coorelation of these two stats to winning.

I believe winning in these categories is more a bi-product of winning the game than a direct factor in the win.

 

[DFWJC]

Then we can figure out how many yards per attempt he has. And we can combine all 3 stats into a single rating. Let's call it -- QB rating. In this rating, Romo will have the exact same QB rating as Peyton Manning, which would be tied for 2nd all time. Yes, 2nd all time, behind only Steve Young.

There you go letting the facts clog your vision.

 

[EPL0c0]

Romo's December-January stats:

15 games, 16TDs = 1.06TD/game, 20 INTs = 1.33 Ints/game.

You can pull stats out from here or there, fact is, winners win and he hasn't lived up to that/his potential...yet. I hope he does and does it asap.

 

[jobberone]

Big games in big games is what is needed. And no I'm not Yogi Berra.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Romo's December-January stats:

15 games, 16TDs = 1.06TD/game, 20 INTs = 1.33 Ints/game.

You can pull stats out from here or there, fact is, winners win and he hasn't lived up to that/his potential...yet. I hope he does and does it asap.

I agree, without a doubt. No please do us all a favor and pull up the number of sacks the O-Line tends to give up in December-January.

Give me the receivers stats for that same period, and what the defense is giving up, and how the special teams play.

I'm not interested in what a single player did I want to know what the whole team is doing during this poor Decembers when they're getting their ***** kicked.

 

[Echo9]

Yeah sadly, Romo can't even be mentioned in the same paragraph as those guys.

Sure he can.. watch!

Originally Posted by THUMPER
I just made an interesting discovery... While working on my QB stats I realized that Tony Romo is the only QB in NFL history who has averaged 2.02 TDs per game (including playoff games) for his career, at least of guys with over 10,000 career passing yards anyway. He has 83 TDs in 41 games!

The next highest is Kurt Warner with 208 TDs in 112 games (1.86 per game). Peyton Manning is at 1.83, Steve Young, Daryle Lamonica, and Sonny Jurgensen are at 1.80. For comparison sake, Tom Brady is at 1.76, and Brett Favre is at 1.73. When talking about Tony Romo's faults let's not forget to take into consideration his assets, which are considerable.


ta-dah! just take out the spaces.