Doomsday101;4910442 said:
QB is important but without the guy on the other end actually making the catch then it is call incomplete.
It all starts with the QB if they don't make at least a decent throw giving the receiver an opportunity to make a play on the ball it goes incomplete.
Doomsday101;4910442 said:
Yes QB is important but damn a lot of other things must happen. Until the QB throws it and catches it then runs it in it took more than him.
Great QB's can make things happen when things aren't going as planned they're called playmakers. QB's have more on their plate than any other player. QB is the most difficult position to play in all of sports. If Peyton Manning was the Jets QB this season do you think they would be out of the playoffs right now?
Doomsday101;4910442 said:
A circus catch is not because the QB was so fricken great it took a guy on the other end to pull it down. QB gets credit sure but it stil took the other guy to make the big play.
The circus catch Tyree made was made possible because Eli was so great at avoiding a sack and making an accurate throw. Only FANS here give Tyree all the credit for that play. The last thing any FAN here wants to do is give Eli any credit it would only make it more difficult to defend Romo in their Romo vs Eli debates. :laugh2:
Doomsday101;4910442 said:
Romo has hit WR only to see it dropped, the pass was there but now he is not clutch because someone else failed?
Crayton may have dropped a pass but in the end Romo still had a 1:50 starting at the Giants 48 yard line to win the game. After he got the Cowboys to the Giants 23 yard line his next 2 passes fell incomplete and his last one was picked off in the end zone. I don't blame him for the pick it came on a 4th and 11 play in desperation time but he did have opportunities and enough time to get it done during that drive.
Eli also had a receiver drop the ball and that drop came in the endzone late in the game with the Giants behind vs the Cowboys Dec 11th of last season. That was a do or die game for the Giants and they needed a TD to take the lead. Although Eli's receiver dropped a TD Eli shrugged it off and the Giants ended up scoring anyway.
Doomsday101;4910442 said:
As great as Troy was our record when either Emmitt or Mike were missing was not great. QB relies on others more so than any position on the team. He can't block for himself, he can't catch the ball and he can't play defense or special teams.
The Cowboys clearly struggled without Emmitt because their offense revolved around him that was a run first team. That was a different era when ground and pound won games. The Vikings run the ball with Peterson who's on pace to break the single season rushing record but they've struggled to win games because Ponder is an average QB who isn't very productive. Even with an elite runner like Peterson you can't win consistently if you don't have a top notch QB who's productive.
Doomsday101;4910442 said:
Montana was great until he faced the 85 Bears who kicked his butt all over the field same with LT and the Giants when they smoked Montana. You are only good when the others around you can help if they can't then that QB is screwed.
The 85 Bears killed everyone that season except for Miami. Marino diced them up on Monday Night. You honestly think Miami wins that game without Marino or do you just want to give all the credit to his receivers? It was much easier for defenses to win games back in the mid 80's. Rules that keep being adopted year after year have opened up the passing game and has hampered the aggressiveness of defenses. The new player safety rules would have taken a big bite out of the 85 Bears defense.
Half their sacks that season would have drawn penalties for late hits and helmet to helmet contact. They would have been flagged for one roughing the passer call after another. Ditka would have suffered coronary that season watching yellow flags rain down on every play his defense made. :laugh2: The Giants D would have had the same problem.
You can't play defense today like you did 25 years ago. The game has changed it's a QB driven league where QB's are protected like never before. Receivers don't worry about being destroyed over the middle as much because of the defenseless player rule. These rules have benefitted the passing game and have hindered defenses.