Romo isn't untradable

[Galian Beast]

All you've done is make a few bad comparisons of players not in Romo's situation.

If you want to believe teams would be willing to give up something significant for a soon to be 34 year old QB with two recent back surgeries and a 100 million dollar contract, feel free.

Please keep up with who is responding to what. The fact that you think that Romo's contract is really a 100 million dollar contract is a tell tale sign.

 

[Risen Star]

Please keep up with who is responding to what. The fact that you think that Romo's contract is really a 100 million dollar contract is a tell tale sign.

55 million guaranteed to a 34 year old QB coming off two back surgeries.

The market for Tony Romo resides in your mind. Keep us posted.

 

[Galian Beast]

You clearly aren't grasping the fact that none of the players you've mentioned are in Romo's situation.

Well he's kinda like Peyton Manning. Except he's not Peyton Manning and nobody traded for Manning.

Make that Jay Cutler. But Cutler was 25 when he was traded and he had no back issue.

Okay, he's Carson Palmer....without the new 100 million dollar contract and back surgeries.

The only GM in the league who would give up something significant for Romo is the one in Dallas. It's not happening. It's not an option.

Name 5 franchise quarterbacks who have been traded in the last 5 years...

It doesn't happen often, and you confuse the result with the cause.

I'm not talking about cutler when he was 25. My point is that he has market value and that is why he got paid.

Peyton Manning was coming off a much more serious injury than Romo, and yet he got paid. Market capital.

Carson Palmer doesn't have nearly the market capital that romo does and he was traded for a 1st and a 2nd (that could have turned into a 1st).

None of these players are in the same situation, that isn't the point. The point is that a player with market capital can be traded for compensation.

The idea that Romo doesn't have market capital is a illusion you've created for yourself.

 

[Galian Beast]

55 million guaranteed to a 34 year old QB coming off two back surgeries.

The market for Tony Romo resides in your mind. Keep us posted.

Peyton Manning got paid after FOUR neck surgeries... please just stop.

 

[Nightman]

You clearly aren't grasping the fact that none of the players you've mentioned are in Romo's situation.

Well he's kinda like Peyton Manning. Except he's not Peyton Manning and nobody traded for Manning.

Make that Jay Cutler. But Cutler was 25 when he was traded and he had no back issue.

Okay, he's Carson Palmer....without the new 100 million dollar contract and back surgeries.

The only GM in the league who would give up something significant for Romo is the one in Dallas. It's not happening. It's not an option.

Palmer had shoulder issues and Cutler has diabetes.

 

[Nightman]

55 million guaranteed to a 34 year old QB coming off two back surgeries.

The market for Tony Romo resides in your mind. Keep us posted.

It's only 28m guaranteed. Basically a 4yr/53m contract.

 

[Nation]

Romo's contract actually wouldn't be that bad to a team acquiring it. Only the 2014 base salary of 13.5 million is guaranteed, and you have no signing bonus to amortize because the Cowboys take that hit on their own. It would be disastrous to the Cowboys cap to do it though, and would require a big R.O.I., which is why it's fair to label him close to untradable. At least in the sense that it would be impossible to find a deal out there that makes sense for both parties.

 

[TheDude]

Peyton Manning got paid after FOUR neck surgeries... please just stop.

He got 18M fully guaranteed in year 1 (2012) - all taken as year 1 cap hit - if he couldn't play-he was cut with no cap hit in 2013. After he passed a physical in 2013 his 2013 and 14 salaries were guaranteed. They restructured $10M as a bonus in 2013 after they saw he could play in 2012 and passed a physical.

He has a $5M cap hit if they cut him today. That contract was set up to ensure he was a viable player and money wasn't pushed out until they new he was going to play for more than 2 years.

 

[TheDude]

It's only 28m guaranteed. Basically a 4yr/53m contract.

what?

He signed w/ a $25M Bonus (guaranteed) and the 2013/4 salaries were guaranteed ($15M). That's $40M.

Additionally $15M of his 2015 salary was guaranteed for injury lowering to $7.5 for 2015 on the 3rd day of the 2014 league year. And another $7.5M for 2015 on the 3rd day of the 2015 league year. All of that is higher than 28M. $40M at minimum and $55M likely at signing.

Max restructure this year guarantees another $12+M and lowers the cap hit by 10M

 

[Galian Beast]

He got 18M fully guaranteed in year 1 (2012) - all taken as year 1 cap hit - if he couldn't play-he was cut with no cap hit in 2013. After he passed a physical in 2013 his 2013 and 14 salaries were guaranteed. They restructured $10M as a bonus in 2013 after they saw he could play in 2012 and passed a physical.

He has a $5M cap hit if they cut him today. That contract was set up to ensure he was a viable player and money wasn't pushed out until they new he was going to play for more than 2 years.

The same would be said of Romo if he were traded.

He would have no signing bonus and his contracts for the first three years would be:

13.5 million
17 million
8.5 million

3 years 39 million....

13 million a year for a top 5 QB

Sam Bradford is the 15th highest paid QB in the league making 13 million a year.

 

[Nightman]

He got 18M fully guaranteed in year 1 (2012) - all taken as year 1 cap hit - if he couldn't play-he was cut with no cap hit in 2013. After he passed a physical in 2013 his 2013 and 14 salaries were guaranteed. They restructured $10M as a bonus in 2013 after they saw he could play in 2012 and passed a physical.

He has a $5M cap hit if they cut him today. That contract was set up to ensure he was a viable player and money wasn't pushed out until they new he was going to play for more than 2 years.

Denver would have to eat 22.5m if they cut Peyton this year. They guaranteed him an additional 42m after 2012.

 

[Nightman]

what?

He signed w/ a $25M Bonus (guaranteed) and the 2013/4 salaries were guaranteed ($15M). That's $40M.

Additionally $15M of his 2015 salary was guaranteed for injury lowering to $7.5 for 2015 on the 3rd day of the 2014 league year. And another $7.5M for 2015 on the 3rd day of the 2015 league year. All of that is higher than 28M. $40M at minimum and $55M likely at signing.

Max restructure this year guarantees another $12+M and lowers the cap hit by 10M

Romo had 55m in guarantees. Dallas has already paid 26.5m of that(25m sb and 1.5m salary for 2013). That leaves 28.5m for the new team.

 

[TheDude]

Denver would have to eat 22.5m if they cut Peyton this year. They guaranteed him an additional 42m after 2012.

Yes, but they didnt saddle themselves with a cap hit in 2013 if manning didn't pan out because they took all $18M in Yr 1. Guarantees came after. He got paid well in year 1, but the team structured it to give them options in yr2. They didnt sign him to a vet minimum and have a $16M dead money deal should things go south.


The initial contracts were no near the same. Romo was signed for at least 3 years. Manning was signed for 1 season

 

[TheDude]

Romo had 55m in guarantees. Dallas has already paid 26.5m of that(25m sb and 1.5m salary for 2013). That leaves 28.5m for the new team.

Continuing from last post. Why would a team pick up his remaining guarantees when Manning, undoubtedly a more proven commodity, set a precendence for coming off an injury with a 1 year look-see deal?

 

[TheDude]

The same would be said of Romo if he were traded.

He would have no signing bonus and his contracts for the first three years would be:

13.5 million
17 million
8.5 million

3 years 39 million....

13 million a year for a top 5 QB

Sam Bradford is the 15th highest paid QB in the league making 13 million a year.

Traded is the operable word. Who is going to give up a 1st rd pick for the above on a 33 yr old QB coming off injury.

See Indy

 

[Nightman]

He has a $5M cap hit if they cut him today. That contract was set up to ensure he was a viable player and money wasn't pushed out until they new he was going to play for more than 2 years.

Yes, but they didnt saddle themselves with a cap hit in 2013 if manning didn't pan out because they took all $18M in Yr 1. Guarantees came after. He got paid well in year 1, but the team structured it to give them options in yr2. They didnt sign him to a vet minimum and have a $16M dead money deal should things go south.


The initial contracts were no near the same. Romo was signed for at least 3 years. Manning was signed for 1 season

You said a 5m cap hit if cut today. It would be 22.5m

 

[Tabascocat]

Galian,

I don't think anyone here is really saying that Romo doesn't have trade value. Would it be a risk due to back surgeries and age? Yes, but there would be some teams inquiring about him if it was known that he is on the block.

The whole issue does not really revolve around what other teams would give up, instead it is based on the fact that Dallas can not trade him this soon. It would be an absolutely stupid move for us to trade him due to the dead money.

If Romo comes out and plays good in 2014 with no re-occurring injuries, then that is the time to discuss possible trade options. You are a year too early, maybe two years.

No team is going to give much for an ageing QB coming off injuries with a big contract even though their end doesn't look as bad. Teams may be willing to take on the money but not give up early draft picks to accompany the money. They will want to wait it out one season to see if he holds up. Romo's trade value is low right now and with a good 2014 season, his value will double. There are a lot of question marks surrounding him right now.

There is only one team that would even consider it and that is the Raiders and I don't see that happening.....Palmer may have taught them a lesson. To top everything off, Jerry will not even think about trading away his golden boy, that contract proves that he is all-in with Romo until retirement from age or injury.

 

[TheDude]

You said a 5m cap hit if cut today. It would be 22.5m

cap number is $17.5 dead money is $22.5M $5M cap hit..

And that $5M was created in year 2 after a fantastic yr1 and passing a physical

 

[Nirvana]

#1 Any compensation you get from Romo
#2 Look at the salary cap in 2015
#3 Look at the salary cap in 2016

As I said, I'm not advocating this move, but if you can't see the merits of making the move, it's on you.

1. That compensation is not close to commensurate with 1. the 28 million dollar salary cap hit with no player and resulting opportunity cost of not being able to make other moves such as signing a free agent or Dez or Tyron. 2. loss of a quality starting qb who is a veteran and had all his growing pains.
2. What about the restructures you did to get under the cap this year? That money would carry over via signing bonuses paid to players to get under the cap. There are a lot of numbers to crunch there. I don't see that has been done.
3. See number 2.

There simply are no merits to this move.

 

[TheDude]

You said a 5m cap hit if cut today. It would be 22.5m

Oh and that $10M bonus in 2013 was only spread over 4 years...no added years to max the cap