Romo Letting the Play Clock Always Run Down

[EPL0c0]

there were a lot of instances where the clock ran down low because Romo was having to tell guys where to line up and/or make sure they understood the play he'd audible to at the line.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

So many people get really irked by Romo always seeming to let the play clock run down to a second or two before getting the ball snapped.

What does this accomplish in his favor?

Does it really give the defense an edge because they know that now the snap is coming?

Is it more on Romo or Red J?

Peyton Manning does it every now and then so he can read the defense and get the correct audible organized.

Tony does it to try and make it seem like he's a "cerebral" quarterback.

 

[mmillman]

It usually is not good in the NFL to be too predictable. Dallas in the 90's was pretty basic but they were talented enough to do that.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

And Madden, huh?

:laugh2:

The defense still does not know where the ball is going or what play is called, run or pass.

If its 3rd and 8 and there's one second on the playclock.. guess how much that increases our chances of making the first down?

 

[Doomsay]

That had everything to do with Ryan Cook not adjusting well to Romo's cadence. The other OL had a tough time knowing when he was going to get the snap off.

We had only one less false start in 2011, so I don't think Cook was the issue.

 

[MapleLeaf]

They don't know it's coming, they can't be looking at the playclock, they are looking at their man waiting for the snap.

...watch the ball, dbs watch their man, lbs and safeties can peek at the clock to time blitzes.

 

[MapleLeaf]

Oh, ok. So you don't have any actual data then? You just watch "a ton of games". Cool.

I guess that puts you in a position to state such things as being fact even though you have no actual figures to review or analyze.

...on any given play there is more than one player who can see the play clock.

Often the wide lbs can see the clock along with the safeties.

The defence knows when the clock has run down. This is why you will often see the defence point at the QB to indicate and help the reference call a time count violation.

 

[Proximo]

...on any given play there is more than one player who can see the play clock.

Often the wide lbs can see the clock along with the safeties.

The defence knows when the clock has run down. This is why you will often see the defence point at the QB to indicate and help the reference call a time count violation.

Everyone on the defense is capable of seeing the clock. All they have to do is move their head and look at it. Just because they can see it doesn't mean they are looking at it.

 

[Proximo]

One does not need to "record actual data" to have a legitimate opinion on a topic.

When speaking in a general sense, statements can be made that are valid even with the absence of "recorded actual data."

Do you know the difference between a fact and an opinion?

Making the claim that all of those other QB's don't let the play clock run down near as much as Romo is not an opinion. The individual that made that claim stated it as though it was truth, or fact. If such a claim cannot be backed up by some type of actual empirical data, then the person making the statement has no leg to stand on.

I'd be very interested to see some actual figures in regards to which how many times each of these quarterbacks actually lets the play clock run down to the very last moment.

What I'm not interested in is some joker saying "well, I don't have any actual numbers, but I watch TONS of football and I can tell you for a fact that those other guys don't let it run down".

 

[Dodger12]

I like how some people disregard "empirical" data (ie: record, player statistics, draft success, etc.) when presenting an opinion on the team, it's GM, players and/or it's HC. But then they demand it to prove something that's plainly obvious to any Cowboys fan who watches football. I like how that works.

 

[CyberB0b]

I think a lot of it is Garrett's fault. It seems like he is really late calling the play in. Maybe there is some truth to him being overwhelmed by coaching and playcalling.

 

[rash]

This is a fallacy, anyhow. While there are many times he allows the play clock to run down, there are many times he does not.

this.

 

[Hoofbite]

I think a lot of it is Garrett's fault. It seems like he is really late calling the play in. Maybe there is some truth to him being overwhelmed by coaching and playcalling.

People have been complaining about this longer than Garrett has been the head coach.

 

[CyberB0b]

People have been complaining about this longer than Garrett has been the head coach.

With what QB? I don't remember it until the last 2 years.

 

[ufcrules1]

I just watched the condensed version of the Bengals vs. Broncos game and looked at the time left on the play clock for almost every snap the Broncos took. Couldn't see a couple plays that happened after an onside kick with like 0:50 seconds left in the game.

Anyway, the Broncos rarely went under 5 seconds. I counted 6 plays where they were snapping the ball with 5 seconds or less. 2 of these came on a drive late in the 4th quarter when they had the lead and were driving.

I counted 19 plays where they snapped the ball with more than 15 seconds on the play clock.

I counted at least 4 plays that had 20 seconds on the play clock. I say "at least" because a couple of the plays they actually snapped it before the play clock was on the screen and after the snap you could see 18 or 19 show up.

Interestingly, CBS seems to put the play clock up for every play. Or at least it seems that way. Seems like Fox only does so when it's down to single digits sometimes.

In total, they averaged over 12 seconds on the play clock at the time of the snap.

That is impossible, show me hard core factual statistics over the course of his entire career, otherwise who cares what you watched. (Just kidding) Sadly we have some young kids here who think that you have to pull out actual "factual" statistics to prove your point on anything. I have watched Petyton extensively his whole career, same with Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Romo, etc. Romo waits until the last minute a LOT before hiking the ball, with the other QB's mentioned it is completely random when they hike. They rarely have to wait until the last minute to find out what scheme the defense is going to use, I would guess that most of the time they feel like they are just going to execute anyway.

Some fans here only watch the Cowboys games and don't watch other QB's unless those other QB's are playing against the Cowboys or go off of the highlights they see on ESPN. These particular fans want you to pull up some insane statistics that are impossible to find to validate your opinion.

 

[ufcrules1]

...watch the ball, dbs watch their man, lbs and safeties can peek at the clock to time blitzes.

Thank you!

 

[Zordon]

Thank you for validating my claim. Sadly we have some young kids here who think that you have to pull out actual "factual" statistics to prove your point on anything. I have watched Petyton extensively his whole career, same with Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Romo, etc. Romo waits until the last minute a LOT before hiking the ball, with the other QB's mentioned it is completely random when they hike. They rarely have to wait until the last minute to find out what scheme the defense is going to use, I would guess that most of the time they feel like they are just going to execute anyway.

Some fans here only watch the Cowboys games and don't watch other QB's unless those other QB's are playing against the Cowboys or go off of what they see on ESPN. These particular fans want you to pull up some insane statistics that are impossible to find to validate what your opinion.

bingo. there isn't a qb in the league that does it more than romo.

 

[ufcrules1]

Do you know the difference between a fact and an opinion?

Do you? Where did I ever say what I said was 100% a fact about the other QB's snapping the ball at random? I stated an opinion based on watching them throughout their careers.

 

[Idgit]

...Sadly we have some young kids here who think that you have to pull out actual "factual" statistics to prove your point on anything. I have watched Petyton extensively his whole career, same with Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Romo, etc. Romo waits until the last minute a LOT before hiking the ball, with the other QB's mentioned it is completely random when they hike. They rarely have to wait until the last minute to find out what scheme the defense is going to use, I would guess that most of the time they feel like they are just going to execute anyway.

The 'young kids' are right. Without factual support, what you've got is an opinion. And you can't prove an opinion; all you can do is hold it.

And that's fine if you want to hold opinions that you haven't supported with evidence. We all do that to some extent or another. Just don't trick yourself into thinking something is so, just because you choose to believe it. And maybe don't be so quick to discard a request that you backup your opinion with evidence if you expect it to be debated seriously.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

The 'young kids' are right. Without factual support, what you've got is an opinion. And you can't prove an opinion; all you can do is hold it.

And that's fine if you want to hold opinions that you haven't supported with evidence. We all do that to some extent or another. Just don't trick yourself into thinking something is so, just because you choose to believe it. And maybe don't be so quick to discard a request that you backup your opinion with evidence if you expect it to be debated seriously.

Its easy to claim the other side is incorrect, saying they don't have factual support for their claims, when it is impossible to have factual evidence to support those claims. Last time I checked, the NFL doesn't keep stats on when the QB takes each snap.

Its something that someone who watches a lot of football can notice.. not something that needs to be analyzed ad nauseam. Its pretty clear to me based on the heavy amount of football I've watched in the past decade, that Romo does wait until there is a second or two left on the playclock to snap the ball MUCH more often than any other QB I've seen in recent years.

Now, does that mean he's a bad QB? Does that mean he has trouble reading a defense? Does he have trouble leading his team?

None of these things are true just because he does take a long time to snap the ball. It could be any number of reasons for why it continues to happen, but it does give the defense a bit of an advantage, and for whatever reason it keeps happening, it needs to stop.

If we need to get smarter players on this team, if Tony needs to see things quicker at the line, if we need to get a new play caller, whatever.. it just needs to stop.