Romo needs to create a market

[Nightman]

I did too. It was fun but then reality set in the playoffs. Unprepared clapper on the sidelines. Proud of losing because the way they "fought". This franchise can't win with that mentality. That 13-3 team is long gone. Next season won't be anything close to 13-3.

MCCarthy (with the worse defense in the playoffs) took Garrett to the woodshead.

Waaaaaaaahhhhhhh

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

Waaaaaaaahhhhhhh

Yep it does suck.

 

[Nightman]

Yep it does suck.

to be you I guess

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

to be you I guess

Nope being a cowboy fan for the last 21 years. You're delusional .

 

[Nightman]

Nope being a cowboy fan for the last 21 years. You're delusional .

I guess that makes you lusional...... go find a pier to walk off

 

[tyke1doe]

That would be a really cool scenario if the Texans actually had the 20th pick............that is Denver's pick bro

Doh!

Okay 25.

Thanks for the catch.

 

[Staubacher]

He has to decide if he wants to start somewhere else, if he wants max money or if staying in Dallas with family and friends is enough.........the best way to handle the situation is to renegotiate his contract immediately

He should sign a deal that guarantees him 10m over the next 2 years in base salary with 500k per games started incentives....he can add a third year option but no more guarantees

If he stays as a bak-up to Dak he gets 5m and a chance to go to the SB as a hero if Dak gets hurt......it lowers his cap hit to 15.7m saving DAL 9m on the cap this year and 15m next year


If he gets traded he gets 5m + up to 8m in starts for 13m total and a chance to join a playoff caliber team ....even if he gets hurt and misses time he has 5m coming to him in 2018........ but it keeps his cap number down for the new team that trades for him to 5m in 2017 adding more teams to the dance

Right now he is owed 3yr/54m but none of it is guaranteed, including his 14m base salary this year..... more teams would be more willing to jump if he had an incentive laden contract......his contract and his health questions are stumbling blocks but he is too good to just give away.....if teams know Dallas will keep him they will have to up their interest

DAL should also ask for conditional trades.....they could take a 1st or 2nd this year but offer back a 4th next year if he misses 8 games or more......if the trade comes after the draft just make it a conditional 1st or 3rd for 2018 depending on games played

What planet are you on? Romo has a better chance at a Super Bowl elsewhere. Not here with a crap defense and head coach. Couldn't even win one home playoff game last year against a depleted mediocre Green Bay team. And no way is Dallas sniffing a SB in 2017 season forget it.

 

[Nightman]

What planet are you on? Romo has a better chance at a Super Bowl elsewhere. Not here with a crap defense and head coach. Couldn't even win one home playoff game last year against a depleted mediocre Green Bay team. And no way is Dallas sniffing a SB in 2017 season forget it.

Go cry somewhere else

 

[Hoofbite]

I'm just saying instead of wasting his time negotiating the same deal with several teams this new deal says 'this is the minimum I will accept to keep playing'

If money is not the motivating factor just get it out of the way.....teams now know the contract......if they are still interested make an offer to DAL because they aren't going to just cut him

If no one offers anything at that low cost then Tony knows he really isn't wanted and might as well stay in Dallas or retire

And that is very easy to say when it isn't you who stands to lose millions of dollars. He has a signing bonus waiting through free agency. That by itself is enough to make negotiating with anyone who is willing to offer him a contract a good use of time.

I don't believe his contract is a hinderance at all because a team could easily make his current contract work. Whoever trades for him doesn't have to consider any of the prorated money that Dallas does. A team could trade for him and treat him as a pay-for-play type of player. $14M for Romo is an absolute steal provided he suits up every week. Key point of emphasis being that he has to suit up every week. Even his base salaries of $19M and $20M are still good deals if Romo is suiting up every week. Half the NFL has a QB with a salary cap figure of at least $18M this year and that includes the likes of Bradford, Tannehill, Manning, and Stafford. Not bad QBs (well, Bradford is easily the worst of the bunch) but if Romo stays healthy, I'll wager he outperforms all of them.

So long as he plays every week, any team that would trade for him would be getting a very good deal even if they honored his current contract. They pay him the going rate for a starting QB, and they have no money guaranteed. They can cut bait any time they want and have absolutely no cap consequences.

I understand where you are coming from. It would be great if Dallas could get something for him, but I just don't think it is all that likely. He obviously can't stay in Dallas at the salary cap figure he is scheduled to have. Everyone knows this. He obviously doesn't want to stay in Dallas if he isn't starting and everyone also knows this. Can't justify his cap number if he's on the team, and he doesn't want to be on the team if he's a backup. The combination of the 2 makes it just a matter of time before Dallas has to release him.

IMO, the only chance the team has right now is hoping a team will be willing to trade for him in the draft. Maybe Houston will be willing to move down a few slots in the 1st and 2nd round to pick him up. Maybe Dallas can bundle Romo plus a 3rd for Houston's 2nd round pick. Outside of that, it just doesn't seem like a trade is likely. Nothing is happening right now because it's the dead part of the offseason. Is a team any better off by acquiring Romo right now than they would be if they acquired him at the beginning of June? Not sure they are, and even if they were I doubt it could be quantified.

While getting nothing for Romo is less than ideal, it's not like it's the end of the world. You have to remember the context. Dallas is only going to be without Romo because they hit a home run on Dak. Not even sure a home run does the pick justice. Maybe a called-shot, upper deck, walk-off home run. The alternative is they whiffed on Dak and now the team is hoping Romo can stay healthy; assuming he came back and didn't get injured last year. Cutting Romo and getting nothing would suck, but it sure as hell beats carrying the contract that Dallas has royally screwed up and not having a legitimate QB on the roster. At this point, I'm just thankful that the team appears to be exercising a little common sense by holding the guy through the draft. I figured Jerry would have let Romo go because that's what Jerry does for players of Romo's status. He doesn't screw them over. He gives them a chance to find a spot that's right for them. For these high status players, Jerry often makes decisions with his heart rather than his head. In this case, it appears he's willing to balance the two and exercise every last option he has before making the move. I'll give him some credit for that. Minimal amounts because smart GM decisions shouldn't be abnormal, but some credit at least.

 

[DFWJC]

Fwiw, I don't Houston has a 2nd rounder anymore, Hoof

 

[Nightman]

And that is very easy to say when it isn't you who stands to lose millions of dollars. He has a signing bonus waiting through free agency. That by itself is enough to make negotiating with anyone who is willing to offer him a contract a good use of time.

I don't believe his contract is a hinderance at all because a team could easily make his current contract work. Whoever trades for him doesn't have to consider any of the prorated money that Dallas does. A team could trade for him and treat him as a pay-for-play type of player. $14M for Romo is an absolute steal provided he suits up every week. Key point of emphasis being that he has to suit up every week. Even his base salaries of $19M and $20M are still good deals if Romo is suiting up every week. Half the NFL has a QB with a salary cap figure of at least $18M this year and that includes the likes of Bradford, Tannehill, Manning, and Stafford. Not bad QBs (well, Bradford is easily the worst of the bunch) but if Romo stays healthy, I'll wager he outperforms all of them.

So long as he plays every week, any team that would trade for him would be getting a very good deal even if they honored his current contract. They pay him the going rate for a starting QB, and they have no money guaranteed. They can cut bait any time they want and have absolutely no cap consequences.

I understand where you are coming from. It would be great if Dallas could get something for him, but I just don't think it is all that likely. He obviously can't stay in Dallas at the salary cap figure he is scheduled to have. Everyone knows this. He obviously doesn't want to stay in Dallas if he isn't starting and everyone also knows this. Can't justify his cap number if he's on the team, and he doesn't want to be on the team if he's a backup. The combination of the 2 makes it just a matter of time before Dallas has to release him.

IMO, the only chance the team has right now is hoping a team will be willing to trade for him in the draft. Maybe Houston will be willing to move down a few slots in the 1st and 2nd round to pick him up. Maybe Dallas can bundle Romo plus a 3rd for Houston's 2nd round pick. Outside of that, it just doesn't seem like a trade is likely. Nothing is happening right now because it's the dead part of the offseason. Is a team any better off by acquiring Romo right now than they would be if they acquired him at the beginning of June? Not sure they are, and even if they were I doubt it could be quantified.

While getting nothing for Romo is less than ideal, it's not like it's the end of the world. You have to remember the context. Dallas is only going to be without Romo because they hit a home run on Dak. Not even sure a home run does the pick justice. Maybe a called-shot, upper deck, walk-off home run. The alternative is they whiffed on Dak and now the team is hoping Romo can stay healthy; assuming he came back and didn't get injured last year. Cutting Romo and getting nothing would suck, but it sure as hell beats carrying the contract that Dallas has royally screwed up and not having a legitimate QB on the roster. At this point, I'm just thankful that the team appears to be exercising a little common sense by holding the guy through the draft. I figured Jerry would have let Romo go because that's what Jerry does for players of Romo's status. He doesn't screw them over. He gives them a chance to find a spot that's right for them. For these high status players, Jerry often makes decisions with his heart rather than his head. In this case, it appears he's willing to balance the two and exercise every last option he has before making the move. I'll give him some credit for that. Minimal amounts because smart GM decisions shouldn't be abnormal, but some credit at least.

You said it yourself.....DAL can absolutely keep Romo at his present cap number for one more year .......they planned for this .............hitting the Dak Powerball changed nothing

DAL is still 10m under the cap after signing 10 FAs.....if they really need space they can restructure Dez and Crawford for 13m in more room...they can extend/paycut Witten for 4m ....there is another 4-7m in cuts with guys like AMorris, Hanna, Wilber that have already been replaced

DAL knows they can keep Romo but other teams don't ......it is widely proclaimed that DAL is against the cap wall again......teams really interested in Romo think they can just wait JJones out........if they KNOW we can and will keep him they have to up their game and their offers

But it isn't just about getting a better return......it is about what is best for DAL...... the best thing for DAL is keeping Romo....... if they aren't going to get bowled over why trade him?.......the Do-right Rule better not be your answer........ nostalgia has no place in a modern day FO.....even now we are looking at Kellen Moore and Josh McCown......they make me want to puke thinking if we lost Dak for an extended period

My offer is the best chance at an olive branch as Tony should get......it guarantees him 10m more than he is getting now and he loses nothing if he stays healthy.....no one is paying 20m for 2018 -19 so drop that line of thinking.......it is a huge hindrance right now

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

We in the Cowboys fanbase are dazzled by our 2-playoff-win QB Romo.
Now, in 2017, approaching 37 and with a history of broken bones and a 1-year layoff, teams are looking at him that exact way. THEY --- not Romo, not the Cowboys --- have leverage.
If a team, badly, needs Romo as a stop-gap, they will jump in before June 1 for a trade before Denver or the Texans get him for "free." Otherwise the Broncos or Texans will get a good deal at our expense.
Denver and Houston want to outsmart the Cowboys.
I say that if ANYONE else wants to cut in line and offer even a 3rd rounder, let them.
Such a scenario would teach the hated Texans and Broncos a thing or two about being greedy.

 

[GIFTS86]

Should have traded him a long time ago instead of giving him a massive contract.

Makes no sense. And replace him with who? You can't trade your franchise QB and have nobody behind him ready to start.

 

[Staubacher]

Go cry somewhere else

This is a perfectly good place to cry thank you

 

[Hoofbite]

You said it yourself.....DAL can absolutely keep Romo at his present cap number for one more year .......they planned for this .............hitting the Dak Powerball changed nothing

They can keep him, but at $24M in cap charges Dallas would be stupid to hang on to a guy that doesn't want to be a backup. When I said "a team can easily make his current contract work", I wasn't referring to Dallas. I was referring to any team that wouldn't have to account for his restructured money and signing bonus added to his $14M base salary. It's not like his trade value next year will be any greater than his present value so hanging onto him for a year in the name of waiting for an offer that will never materialize is a waste of time.

As far as Dak goes, the team has secured quality QB play and doesn't have to utilize significant cap dollars to get it for the next 2-3 years. I'd say that changes everything.

DAL is still 10m under the cap after signing 10 FAs.....if they really need space they can restructure Dez and Crawford for 13m in more room...they can extend/paycut Witten for 4m ....there is another 4-7m in cuts with guys like AMorris, Hanna, Wilber that have already been replaced

The issue isn't even about free space fright now. They aren't looking to move him because they need space, and even if it was about space and they made all those moves, what would be the purpose? Just to avoid "feeling" like they are losing out on something by cutting Romo instead of trading him?

DAL knows they can keep Romo but other teams don't ......it is widely proclaimed that DAL is against the cap wall again......teams really interested in Romo think they can just wait JJones out........if they KNOW we can and will keep him they have to up their game and their offers

Give me a break. Other teams don't know that it's possible cap-wise to keep Tony? Random internet guy bknight13 knows it, but the remaining 31 teams in the NFL don't? This is beyond delusional. Teams already KNOW that Dallas can keep him, but they're content making Dallas PROVE that Dallas will keep Romo before offering anything significant. The ability to keep Romo's cap figure does not impart the desire to keep Romo's cap figure.

But it isn't just about getting a better return......it is about what is best for DAL...... the best thing for DAL is keeping Romo....... if they aren't going to get bowled over why trade him?

Dallas already has what's best for Dallas. They have a young QB who gives them a chance to compete and doesn't make them reliant on the questionable health of an aging QB. What's best for Dallas moving forward is to avoid utilizing additional resources on that very same aging QB. What is best in Dallas' present case is to probably hold Romo through the draft and then let him go.

As for a reason why they would cut/trade him even without a great offer, how does paying him $14M for nothing sound? Beyond the cap aspect, I really don't care. Then again, I'm not the guy who will be writing $875,000 checks every week for a pissed off player sitting on the sidelines. That's real dollars, not cap dollars.

.......the Do-right Rule better not be your answer........ nostalgia has no place in a modern day FO.....even now we are looking at Kellen Moore and Josh McCown......they make me want to puke thinking if we lost Dak for an extended period

And irrationality does? If Tony wants money, taking your absurd deal puts him in a worse position under any circumstance:

• If he takes that offer and gets traded, he's negotiating with his new team from a weaker position.
• If he takes that offer and doesn't get traded, he makes $5M while being pissed on the bench.
• Even under the best-case scenario of earning the potential $13M you have proposed, that's still less than what he will earn by doing nothing regardless of whether he stays in Dallas, or is traded and fails to come to a new deal with his new team.

Sure, he doesn't have anything guaranteed right now but if he's on the roster week 1 he'll have $14M guaranteed. All he has to do is make it through a non-contact training camp and through the preseason games he probably wouldn't even be asked to play in, and he's guaranteed $14M. Can't just cut a guy due to injury without a settlement so there's no telling how much he may or may not lose even if he were hurt. If he somehow played every game due to an injury to Dak, he'd make $1M less under your plan. If he didn't play at all, he'd make $9M less under your plan.

Money aside, if Tony wants to be a starter in the NFL and he's not going to get that in Dallas, the greatest piece of leverage he has would be whatever increases his chances of getting released. That would be his base salary and cap number because both of them are unjustifiable for a guy on the sidelines.

Lastly, when has a player ever done this? When has any player ever pissed away every bit of leverage he has at getting what he wants, be it money, play time, or some combination of both? This goes beyond the expectation that Tony to take one for the team, you expect him to take one for his soon-to-be former team. When has this ever happened?

You've literally concocted an entire fairy tale that is: A) based solely on what is in the best interest of the Dallas Cowboys, B) at the expense of what it is in the best interest of Tony Romo, and C) flies in the face of how these situations nearly always play out. No room for nostalgia, but plenty of room for make believe. You may not think there's room for nostalgia but you should probably prepare yourself for the possibility of Dallas cutting him. Jerry isn't going to ask for your opinion on the matter so it's probably best you learn to live with it in event that it happens.

My offer is the best chance at an olive branch as Tony should get......it guarantees him 10m more than he is getting now and he loses nothing if he stays healthy.....no one is paying 20m for 2018 -19 so drop that line of thinking.......it is a huge hindrance right now

Who says Tony wants that sort of olive branch? What if he doesn't really care about the financials as much as you think he does and values a starting role? That cannot be offered in Dallas. What now?

As for what other teams will pay him, nobody knows. It doesn't have to be $20M/year to be better. He doesn't have to do anything to do better. Just make the roster opening week and he's better off.

Asking the guy to be an insurance policy backup when he clearly wants to be a starter? Asking a guy to make less money as a cheaper insurance policy because the team likes neither the trade market nor his base salary as it was originally written? That isn't an offer. That's a slap in the face.

 

[Nightman]

They can keep him, but at $24M in cap charges Dallas would be stupid to hang on to a guy that doesn't want to be a backup. When I said "a team can easily make his current contract work", I wasn't referring to Dallas. I was referring to any team that wouldn't have to account for his restructured money and signing bonus added to his $14M base salary. It's not like his trade value next year will be any greater than his present value so hanging onto him for a year in the name of waiting for an offer that will never materialize is a waste of time.

As far as Dak goes, the team has secured quality QB play and doesn't have to utilize significant cap dollars to get it for the next 2-3 years. I'd say that changes everything.



The issue isn't even about free space fright now. They aren't looking to move him because they need space, and even if it was about space and they made all those moves, what would be the purpose? Just to avoid "feeling" like they are losing out on something by cutting Romo instead of trading him?



Give me a break. Other teams don't know that it's possible cap-wise to keep Tony? Random internet guy bknight13 knows it, but the remaining 31 teams in the NFL don't? This is beyond delusional. Teams already KNOW that Dallas can keep him, but they're content making Dallas PROVE that Dallas will keep Romo before offering anything significant. The ability to keep Romo's cap figure does not impart the desire to keep Romo's cap figure.



Dallas already has what's best for Dallas. They have a young QB who gives them a chance to compete and doesn't make them reliant on the questionable health of an aging QB. What's best for Dallas moving forward is to avoid utilizing additional resources on that very same aging QB. What is best in Dallas' present case is to probably hold Romo through the draft and then let him go.

As for a reason why they would cut/trade him even without a great offer, how does paying him $14M for nothing sound? Beyond the cap aspect, I really don't care. Then again, I'm not the guy who will be writing $875,000 checks every week for a pissed off player sitting on the sidelines. That's real dollars, not cap dollars.



And irrationality does? If Tony wants money, taking your absurd deal puts him in a worse position under any circumstance:

• If he takes that offer and gets traded, he's negotiating with his new team from a weaker position.
• If he takes that offer and doesn't get traded, he makes $5M while being pissed on the bench.
• Even under the best-case scenario of earning the potential $13M you have proposed, that's still less than what he will earn by doing nothing regardless of whether he stays in Dallas, or is traded and fails to come to a new deal with his new team.

Sure, he doesn't have anything guaranteed right now but if he's on the roster week 1 he'll have $14M guaranteed. All he has to do is make it through a non-contact training camp and through the preseason games he probably wouldn't even be asked to play in, and he's guaranteed $14M. Can't just cut a guy due to injury without a settlement so there's no telling how much he may or may not lose even if he were hurt. If he somehow played every game due to an injury to Dak, he'd make $1M less under your plan. If he didn't play at all, he'd make $9M less under your plan.

Money aside, if Tony wants to be a starter in the NFL and he's not going to get that in Dallas, the greatest piece of leverage he has would be whatever increases his chances of getting released. That would be his base salary and cap number because both of them are unjustifiable for a guy on the sidelines.

Lastly, when has a player ever done this? When has any player ever pissed away every bit of leverage he has at getting what he wants, be it money, play time, or some combination of both? This goes beyond the expectation that Tony to take one for the team, you expect him to take one for his soon-to-be former team. When has this ever happened?

You've literally concocted an entire fairy tale that is: A) based solely on what is in the best interest of the Dallas Cowboys, B) at the expense of what it is in the best interest of Tony Romo, and C) flies in the face of how these situations nearly always play out. No room for nostalgia, but plenty of room for make believe. You may not think there's room for nostalgia but you should probably prepare yourself for the possibility of Dallas cutting him. Jerry isn't going to ask for your opinion on the matter so it's probably best you learn to live with it in event that it happens.



Who says Tony wants that sort of olive branch? What if he doesn't really care about the financials as much as you think he does and values a starting role? That cannot be offered in Dallas. What now?

As for what other teams will pay him, nobody knows. It doesn't have to be $20M/year to be better. He doesn't have to do anything to do better. Just make the roster opening week and he's better off.

Asking the guy to be an insurance policy backup when he clearly wants to be a starter? Asking a guy to make less money as a cheaper insurance policy because the team likes neither the trade market nor his base salary as it was originally written? That isn't an offer. ra's a slap in the face.

you really like to hear yourself talk.......good luck with that random internet guy

you contradict yourself every other paragraph which is a lot

 

[Hoofbite]

you really like to hear yourself talk.......good luck with that random internet guy

you contradict yourself every other paragraph which is a lot

Hey, if you don't want someone to point out all the inherent flaws in your fairy tales in such a drawn out manner then just say so. I could try to get by with one-liners or simple questions. I could start now if you like.

Perhaps the simple question of, why would Romo even be interested in renegotiating with Dallas when Dallas won't offer him what he wants (a starting role) and when he is going to have to go through the negotiation process all over again prior to any trade being finalized or signing with another team? Just out of the goodness of his heart? Practice?

 

[Nightman]

Hey, if you don't want someone to point out all the inherent flaws in your fairy tales in such a drawn out manner then just say so. I could try to get by with one-liners or simple questions. I could start now if you like.

Perhaps the simple question of, why would Romo even be interested in renegotiating with Dallas when Dallas won't offer him what he wants (a starting role) and when he is going to have to go through the negotiation process all over again prior to any trade being finalized or signing with another team? Just out of the goodness of his heart? Practice?

No fairy tales here....I just don't put Romo ahead of the team like so many of the Romosexuals around here.....if he leaves I hope he fails.....you hope he beats us and wins a ring

 

[big dog cowboy]

Now, in 2017, approaching 37 and with a history of broken bones and a 1-year layoff, teams are looking at him that exact way. THEY --- not Romo, not the Cowboys --- have leverage.

The Cowboys can carry Romo this year if they want to. How does that give other teams leverage?

I see it the exact opposite. You think teams considering Romo will go into the season with what they have at QB? Eventually, someone will call and check on Romo's availability. For example, you really think the Texans can sell Savage to their fan base for 2017. I don't. Oh I forgot, they have Weeden also. My bad.

 

[Nightman]

The Cowboys can carry Romo this year if they want to. How does that give other teams leverage?

I see it the exact opposite. You think teams considering Romo will go into the season with what they have at QB? Eventually, someone will call and check on Romo's availability. For example, you ree lly think the Texans can sell Savage to their fan base for 2017. I don't. Oh I forgot, they have Weeden also. My bad.

If we don't get a trade offer before the Draft then there really is no incentive to trade him before June 1st..... the owners meetings start next week so we may see some movement