Romo or JC, who throws more TD's this year?

[AsthmaField]

Actually the football professionals in the organization support Campbell. The reason we reached out for another qb is because we have an idiot micromanaging owner.

Of course they say they support Campbell. What the heck else are they going to say?

Zorn isn't going to come out and say, "Well, I told Vinny and Danny that my offense is just too limited with Campbell at the helm, so they tried to get me a guy who can read defenses and they really burned up the phones this offseason trying to trade Jason to another team. Unfortunately, we couldn't get a QB we liked and no other team would even give us a 4th for Jason, so it looks like we're stuck with him for another year. Hip-hip-hooray."

So, yeah, of course the "football guys" on the Commanders support him.

 

[Mansta54]

Actually the football professionals in the organization support Campbell. The reason we reached out for another qb is because we have an idiot micromanaging owner.

This is total BS. Man stop that noise that you're trying to sell, nobodies buying that crap. Your frtofc, coaching staff, and waterboy pimped JC all offseason long. Nobody in the league wanted him, they couldn't even get a 2nd RD pick for him and now they're STUCK with him. He's your starter by default. JZ knows he can't run the WCO with his slow release and poor decision making. Nobody supported him and now your STUCK with him and that's the real deal. Cut all that crap you're selling, nobodies buying it...

 

[Sammy Baugh]

Yeah, like neither the Commanders nor the Cowboys have ever had the situation where the owner wants one thing and the football professionals want something else. It is you cats who are blowing smoke.

Go back and read the offseason reports. Read about the meetings between Zorn and Campbell where Zorn tries to play damage control. Read about how Zorn and JC all offseason were prepping in a way that shows he was the guy. Read about how Zorn blamed the OL, not JC, for last seasons offensive shortcomings. Go ahead, educate yourselves properly, and then get back to me on this issue. The fact is, if the coaches had wanted to ditch JC, he would be gone, just like Jansen and Kendall.

And then read about how Snyderrato threw a couple of curveballs into things.

 

[AsthmaField]

Yeah, like neither the Commanders nor the Cowboys have ever had the situation where the owner wants one thing and the football professionals want something else. It is you cats who are blowing smoke.

Go back and read the offseason reports. Read about the meetings between Zorn and Campbell where Zorn tries to play damage control. Read about how Zorn and JC all offseason were prepping in a way that shows he was the guy. Read about how Zorn blamed the OL, not JC, for last seasons offensive shortcomings. Go ahead, educate yourselves properly, and then get back to me on this issue. The fact is, if the coaches had wanted to ditch JC, he would be gone, just like Jansen and Kendall.

And then read about how Snyderrato threw a couple of curveballs into things.

:laugh2:

Again... anything that you read about the team's thoughts comes to you through the media. Zorn isn't going to say anything publicly that is derogatory about Campbell. Why would he? He'd only be hurting his own team. Of course he's going to say he supports campbell.

I know you have a pretty good head on your shoulders SB... you must be able to understand this concept.

Pretty much every coach supports the best option he currently has at QB. Heck, even Parcells publicly supported Quincy Carter, even though we all know he couldn't wait to get another guy in at QB. Why did he do that? Why did he say good things about a guy who was so clearly a terrible QB?

Because he was the best option he had at the time.

 

[Mansta54]

Yeah, like neither the Commanders nor the Cowboys have ever had the situation where the owner wants one thing and the football professionals want something else. It is you cats who are blowing smoke.

Go back and read the offseason reports. Read about the meetings between Zorn and Campbell where Zorn tries to play damage control. Read about how Zorn and JC all offseason were prepping in a way that shows he was the guy. Read about how Zorn blamed the OL, not JC, for last seasons offensive shortcomings. Go ahead, educate yourselves properly, and then get back to me on this issue. The fact is, if the coaches had wanted to ditch JC, he would be gone, just like Jansen and Kendall.

And then read about how Snyderrato threw a couple of curveballs into things.

Dude this is soooo incorrect, it sin't even funny. You can't cut your starting QB like you can cut two old has been OL. Salary and what you get in return play a HUGE part. Really man, what the heck are you talking about? You're posts lose quality with each showing. I'm starting to wonder just how old you are. Does your folks know that you're on their computer?

 

[Sammy Baugh]

:laugh2:

Again... anything that you read about the team's thoughts comes to you through the media. Zorn isn't going to say anything publicly that is derogatory about Campbell. Why would he? He'd only be hurting his own team. Of course he's going to say he supports campbell.

I know you have a pretty good head on your shoulders SB... you must be able to understand this concept.

Pretty much every coach supports the best option he currently has at QB. Heck, even Parcells publicly supported Quincy Carter, even though we all know he couldn't wait to get another guy in at QB. Why did he do that? Why did he say good things about a guy who was so clearly a terrible QB?

Because he was the best option he had at the time.

I appreciate your comments. I agree that if Zorn simply says, "I support Campbell," that might be an empty statement.

If you look back at my previous comments, however, you will see that I did not cite any simplistic Zorn statements of support. I cited Zorn ACTIONS which show support. I cited what we can glimpse as truth through the thicket of media bs by looking at actions. If you look closely you will see that Zorn's statements about Campbell through the spring did not match up with the statements of Snyderrato. If you look closely you will see that Zorn's actions also did not match up with the statements of Snyderrato. When you look closely behind the surface, you see that Zorn does truly support Campbell, at least for now.

You know that sometimes ownership perception clashes with that of coaches. If you put away media hype and look closely, you will see that such is the case with Campbell.

 

[Sammy Baugh]

Dude this is soooo incorrect, it sin't even funny. You can't cut your starting QB like you can cut two old has been OL. Salary and what you get in return play a HUGE part. Really man, what the heck are you talking about? You're posts lose quality with each showing. I'm starting to wonder just how old you are. Does your folks know that you're on their computer?

1) cutting Campbell would not have been the only way to replace him
2) even taking cuts into account, they cut Jansen and took a multi-million dollar cap hit in doing so. Campbell actually would have been cheaper to cut because he is still on his first contract. So when it comes to the salary concerns which you mentioned, you were mistaken.

You don't seem to know very much about the Commanders.

 

[Mansta54]

1) cutting Campbell would not have been the only way to replace him
2) even taking cuts into account, they cut Jansen and took a multi-million dollar cap hit in doing so. Campbell actually would have been cheaper to cut because he is still on his first contract. So when it comes to the salary concerns which you mentioned, you were mistaken.

You don't seem to know very much about the Commanders.

Of course I know about the Foreskins, I live here. I also know that you can't equate cutting a young, high drafted, starting QB with two old has been olinemen. For JC you would have to get something big in return as in a 1st or at least a 2nd rd draft pick. For Jansen and Kendell you would probably get nothing and thats what you got. The problem is that NOBODY was willing to give you JACK for JC cause the league and your frtofc knows that he STINKS as a starter therefore you're stuck with him. What don't you understand about that? Geeez!!!! You couldn't cut JC cause you have NOTHING to replace him with after using a high pick to get him and you couldn't trade him cause NOBODY else wanted him. So how else could you have done it.. Please, tell me.... Sammy Balls you're losing this battle and it's obvious....

 

[Biggems]

Well, let's see here...

Last year, Romo threw TWICE as many TDs as Campbell, 26 to 13.

Oh, and that was with Campbell starting all 16 games and Romo starting 13.

And in 2007, when it was Campbell missing 3 games and Romo starting all 16, Romo threw THREE TIMES as many TDs as Campbell, 36 to 12.

Safest. Bet. Ever.

Barring injury, of course.

Actually using Brady or Manning would be safer than using Romo....but still this bet is like robbing money from the cup of a blind man.....

 

[Biggems]

In all honesty, if Garrett were to be our longterm OC, I would have no issues whatsoever to have Jason Campbell as Romo's backup. Campbell isn't a bad QB. He is just jacked up from having to learn a new system basically every season since HS. How can you expect the most important player in football to be successful if you won't let him settle in to one system and become an expert in it?

IMO, if Campbell could land in the same offense for several consecutive years, he could be a top 10 QB....he has that kind of athletic ability. Since he is a Commander, I am more than happy that they are jacking with his psyche and confidence.

That is why I miss having Tiki Barber and Jeremy Shockey in NY. Eli was a mental midget, a complete wreck with those two on the roster. Now that they are gone, he is a much better QB.

If I were a team like SF or Denver, I would try to grab Jason Campbell away from Washington. Campbell would be an upgrade over Smith and Orton for sure.

 

[KINGBRICE_28]

GOOD morning!!! hahhaaa it's 1:35pm AZ time!!!
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Ah, I would beg to differ on not having a #1.

2008, leader by receptions: Jason Witten

2007, leader by receptions and yards: Jason Witten

Well, he ain't a WR, and he isn't leading in TD's...But we luv him just the same.

Ahhhhh touche.....I'll give ya a +1

Great stuff Adam!

Until actual data was presented, it was

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I guess there's nothing to disagree on. I guess I'll just go play some dragon warrior for NES now :

 

[Mansta54]

In all honesty, if Garrett were to be our longterm OC, I would have no issues whatsoever to have Jason Campbell as Romo's backup. Campbell isn't a bad QB. He is just jacked up from having to learn a new system basically every season since HS. How can you expect the most important player in football to be successful if you won't let him settle in to one system and become an expert in it?

IMO, if Campbell could land in the same offense for several consecutive years, he could be a top 10 QB....he has that kind of athletic ability. Since he is a Commander, I am more than happy that they are jacking with his psyche and confidence.

That is why I miss having Tiki Barber and Jeremy Shockey in NY. Eli was a mental midget, a complete wreck with those two on the roster. Now that they are gone, he is a much better QB.

If I were a team like SF or Denver, I would try to grab Jason Campbell away from Washington. Campbell would be an upgrade over Smith and Orton for sure.

I would agree with this but that isn't really saying much. Those two QB's are terrible..

 

[bbgun]

Assuming Tony stays upright, you're gonna win, but $100 doesn't buy what it used to.

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

I'd say Jason Campbell is in the bottom half of QBs in the league, but probably towards the top of the bottom half. He might have a decent year this year though since he's sticking with the same offense. We'll see. I wouldn't be all that surprised though.

 

[Mansta54]

Assuming Tony stays upright, you're gonna win, but $100 doesn't buy what it used to.

It'll be a 100 bucks more then what I have now and that works for me. I really like it cause it's a SUCKA bet...

 

[Mansta54]

I'd say Jason Campbell is in the bottom half of QBs in the league, but probably towards the top of the bottom half. He might have a decent year this year though since he's sticking with the same offense. We'll see. I wouldn't be all that surprised though.

Bingo!!! His own frtofc who has watched him from day 1 thinks so too or even worse. You're being kind...

 

[Hostile]

Actually the football professionals in the organization support Campbell. The reason we reached out for another qb is because we have an idiot micromanaging owner.

I dunno, I think the idiot micromanaging owner was more right than the football professionals on that point. I like Jason Campbell way more than most Cowboys fans but I think you paid too much for him and he isn't nearly good enough to let you compete in this division.

 

[Hostile]

The point of my prior post is that touchdowns do not tell everything. Turnovers must be considered, too.

I've seen enough comments from frustrated Cowboys fans to know that I am not alone when I say that Romo helps the Cowboys with some fine throws and also kills the Cowboys with turnovers. Turnovers kill. Such turnovers played a significant part in the 44-6 debacle the last time the Cowboys played, for just one example. And for Romo this is habitual. Romo has developed habits regarding not being careful with the ball and does not seem like he is going to change.

As for the main knock against Campbell - that he doesn't take enough chances - I agree. I wish JC would take more downfield shots. However, he was limited from doing so last year by poor pass blocking as well as the learning curve of being in a new offense. The entire Skins organization, including Campbell, has recognized the problem and has tried to fix it.

So, to the main point of this post: having a qb take more shots downfield (Campbell) is a problem which is much more easily fixed than having a qb who habitually does not protect the football (Romo).

Touchdowns don't tell everything but merely adding turnovers means everything was added? This isn't my first rodeo son.

It is okay to admit I pretty much blew that crap out of the water. If you think I didn't blow it out of the water I'd be more than obliged to continue to show you how foolish your take was.

 

[Mansta54]

Touchdowns don't tell everything but merely adding turnovers means everything was added? This isn't my first rodeo son.

It is okay to admit I pretty much blew that crap out of the water. If you think I didn't blow it out of the water I'd be more than obliged to continue to show you how foolish your take was.

Hey Hos, look at his take on equating cutting JC oppose to cutting Jansen and Kendall. I think Sammy Balls is a young kid who doesn't know much about the game.....

 

[StylisticS]

You found a foreskin fan to take that bet up here. Many of them hate him and want to bring in Colt. They incredibly upset that they didn't get Vick.:laugh2: