Romo says he will get better in the future

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You may have a point there, regarding int%. One thing I failed to do was acknowledge that, yes... part of the reason Romo's late game blunders are so prominent is because of their frequency; same goes for his 4th quarter comebacks.

But you have to be kidding if you don't think he needs to cut back on the boneheaded plays late in games.

Wow, Tom Brady has only 1 fewer than Romo, huh? I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I'd bet good money that Brady's 7 INTs came in a lot fewer opportunities than Romo's had to face. In other words, Brady hasn't spent a whole lot of time in the last 8 seasons playing from behind, but he's still "failed" almost as often as Romo.

I didn't realize Tom Brady sucked like that.
 

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I opened this thread to specifically say this. He's good enough to win but he'll need some help (like every other QB).

He just can't make the dumb mistake in waning moments.

I'll admit, there are times when I scratch my head and I am disappointed by a boneheaded play. However, I think he gets a bad wrap seeing as most of his tenure in Dallas has been spent carrying poor talent, overrated talent or flawed talent. Offensively, I'd be hard pressed to say he's been set up any better for success than now. However, if we can't string together a semi-talented defense, unfortunately, it will only make him a stat guy. I think a lot of people forget, Peyton Manning had the same problem. It took him 10 years to get a Superbowl. Heck, he had Marshall Faulk and Marvin Harrison as a staple from the get go and STILL took ten years to get a Superbowl. Tony Romo isn't the best QB on the planet, but I grow tired of hearing people complain about having him. He's got the skills to win the big game. It's time this organization surrounds him with like minded competitors.
 

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So what you're saying is people are actually overstating his interceptions in the 4th, right? Because the posts in this thread make it seem like Romo has been atrocious and just a turnover machine in crunch time

... Yet that's not even close to the truth, no surprise there. Heck, he's actually played better then he normally does according to those stats you posted. Most "realist" here say Romo is ranked 12-16 out of all the QBs, and on those rankings he's #10 and #11. Not too shabby, though not stellar either.

Actually, those stats are a bit off. I'm working on correcting them. Will post in a minute, but Romo is actually looking a bit better
 

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Wow, Tom Brady has only 1 fewer than Romo, huh? I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I'd bet good money that Brady's 7 INTs came in a lot fewer opportunities than Romo's had to face. In other words, Brady hasn't spent a whole lot of time in the last 8 seasons playing from behind, but he's still "failed" almost as often as Romo.

I didn't realize Tom Brady sucked like that.

The fact Brady didnt have to play from behind as much is irrelevant. The graphic was specific, Most INT's while tied or LEADING in the 4th quarter. Not coming from behind.
 

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Romo consistently takes the fall for the team's failures even when it's not really his fault. I guess that doesn't count as "leadership" though.

Some of it's been his fault he's made some huge mistakes at the worst possible time so he's going to take the fall for the teams failures occasionally. QB's take the fall for their teams failures often which is why they end up being benched and their teams use high draft picks to try and replace them. Taking the fall for your teams failures comes with the territory of being an NFL QB.

Romo certainly hasn't been to blame for all the Cowboys failures it's been the teams defense and the lack of solid coaching that's cost the Cowboys more games than Romo ever has. Head coaches take the fall as well and Garrett's head is getting close to rolling if the mediocrity continues in 2014.
 

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That's right. I would forgive Romo for the bonehead plays he sometimes makes if he had brought us 3 SB titles.

Maybe he would have if he had the same defensive team and coaching Brady did during his Superbowl wins.
 

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The fact Brady didnt have to play from behind as much is irrelevant. The graphic was specific, Most INT's while tied or LEADING in the 4th quarter. Not coming from behind.

fine. then what's the graphic on how we got that lead? did romo give it to us only to have the D fold like a cheap suit on a rainy day? we all seem to have what we "remember" from the games. what we "remember" tends to support how we already believe. any way to compensate for thinking differently is "making excuses" or "protecting" depending on your point of view.

yes, i'd be a fool to say romo has not made some really bad plays at a really bad time. however, i can't think of any qb who hasn't. trying to put things into a graph and say THERE is just ignorant. different times, different situations, different teams, different schemes...but hey, 8 ints, nuff said. he sucks.

the path to simplicity seems to be where people go vs. the path to analysis and fair judgement.

you see, i've also seen romo put us ahead with INCREDIBLE play only to have the other team march right down the field at will to take the lead and ending the game by handing us a loss, or giving romo like 17 seconds to "make a come back". so he's put into a bad situation and makes a bad play.

like almost any and every qb will do.

in this thread i've also seen people say "i don't care about other qb's, just our own".

where there's unbiased judgement if ever i saw it. rate our qb by your own needs and not by how the position itself is played out around the league. singular logic like this haunts romo like the simmons mansion haunts luther heggs.

preconceived perception based off a few plays and no real comprehension of the game.

in the end, threads like this are about as pointless as posting a picture of your hamburger on facebook. been there, done that, and no one really gives a damn except for the opportunity to re-rage, or hope someone gives a damn you have onion rings on your burger.

romo is one of the better qb's in the league. i firmly believe no other qb could have done much more behind what tony has been given. way back when even before romo took the reins, i was hating our OL when hating our OL was uncool. my biggest fear of a mobile qb behind that block of swiss cheese was we'd ignore it for far too long, counting on a mobile qb to compensate for a lack of a solid foundation. i never really imagined we'd take this long by goint into the end of his own career before addressing such a glaring need. but i do recall an almost violent anger in me on the path that we were headed and it showed far too much in my postings. my own "rage" was quite clear and overstated, to say the least. i recall WG trying hard to calm me down and i just had to take some breaks not from the board, but the game itself. i had to put it in a place in my own life where it didn't affect me to badly because it's simply something i cannot change.

so i've just come to accept that this is my team and always will be. the good, the bad, and the romo.

i'm thankful we've addressed the OL in a quality manner, not an afterthought. i'm glad to see us cut from bad contracts even at the expense of historic players. i'm also very gratified to see some emotion from #88 again and wish it would catch fire, not something to be calmed down.

yes, i wish fans would also chill out and put thought into their posts, but i went through my own time too when i simply couldn't do that. so instead of trying to calm them down, i'll try to calm down the situation and speak my own thoughts but appreciate theirs as well, even if i've heard it a thousand times before.

some fans are always going to put the entire blame on the qb and while that's the epitome of ignorance to me, i can't change that any more than i can change what the cowboys do. so when it gets too bad, i just ignore and move on cause nothing i tell them will change their point of view and simply won't end well. so no sense in getting into something that's not going to improve me, them, or the situation.
 
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OK so what . Romo has 1 more.

So 1 int equals make the difference from great QB to choke artist?

You'd think people would get this.
But as I've always said, the myth of Romo the choker has made each late game pick = 10 (1 real, 9 imaginary)
 

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Maybe he would have if he had the same defensive team and coaching Brady did during his Superbowl wins.

No he wouldn't. Did the coach throw the 3 bonehead interceptions against the Redksins in 2012? His last "win and in" game?

some fans are always going to put the entire blame on the qb and while that's the epitome of ignorance to me.

Can you show us some of those fans here that put ALL of the blame on Romo? I hear that line all the time here but I have NEVER seen anyone put all the blame on Romo. That would be an incredibly ignorant statement if someone said it.

Now, does Romo share in "some" of the blame? You better believe he does. He has never done anything special in win and you're in games or playoff games. He plays below his regular season stats in those type of games.
 

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I stated in another thread that Romo's "best" days are behind him. He's not going to improve at 34 years old coming off a second back surgery. He's certainly not going to improve playing for a team that never improves and doesn't look to have improved this offseason. Romo is being supported by the worst defense in the NFL so all the pressure will be on him and the offense to outscore opponents. Players are always trying to get better but once they reach their peak improvement stops and eventually decline begins. After Aikman had back surgery he lost a lot of his mobility and some arm strength and he was only 26. According to Aikman he lost 15 yards off his deep ball.

Aikman was a pretty mobile QB when he came into the league rushing for 302 yards as a rookie. Romo is 34 the same age Aikman was forced to retire at due to his back. This is a very nervous time for the Cowboys who just past up Manziel last month who could eventually become a great NFL QB. No one expected the 2000 season to be Aikman's last season especially Jerry who gave up two #1's that offseason to Seattle to pair Joey Galloway with Aikman. Cowboy Nation will be holding their breath everytime Romo takes a shot in 2014.
 

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No he wouldn't. Did the coach throw the 3 bonehead interceptions against the Redksins in 2012? His last "win and in" game?

Can you show us some of those fans here that put ALL of the blame on Romo? I hear that line all the time here but I have NEVER seen anyone put all the blame on Romo. That would be an incredibly ignorant statement if someone said it.

Now, does Romo share in "some" of the blame? You better believe he does. He has never done anything special in win and you're in games or playoff games. He plays below his regular season stats in those type of games.

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/romo-says-he-will-get-better-in-the-future.291784/#post-5574561
http://cowboyszone.com/threads/romo-says-he-will-get-better-in-the-future.291784/#post-5574567
http://cowboyszone.com/threads/romo-says-he-will-get-better-in-the-future.291784/#post-5574589 (you even liked this one)
http://cowboyszone.com/threads/romo-says-he-will-get-better-in-the-future.291784/#post-5574595 (your own thread - you may not mean it's all on romo, but your post is saying we know what romo will do, hence, all on romo)

and that's page 1 of this thread. now stop making me hit "show ignored content" cause it's just frustrating.
 

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The fact Brady didnt have to play from behind as much is irrelevant. The graphic was specific, Most INT's while tied or LEADING in the 4th quarter. Not coming from behind.

Well, since he is one the top three in entire league in most 4th qtr game winning drives (come from behind), that would make his case even better.
 

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Corrected stats:

Since 2010, int% per attempt, with less than 5 minutes to play:
[Difference in int% per attempt in brackets from first 55:00 of game]
+ means player is x percentage points better in the last 5:00 than the first 55:00. - means player is x points worse.]

1. Rodgers: 1.4% [+.4]
2. Brady: 1.7% [-.3]
3. Peyton: 1.7% [+.4]
4. Ben: 1.9% [+.4]
5. Luck: 1.9% [+.6]
6. Flacco: 2.2% [+.4]
7. Stafford: 2.4% [+.2]
8. Romo: 2.9% [-.9]
9. Ryan: 2.9% [-1.2]
10. Brees: 3.1% [-.4]
11. Eli: 3.2% [+.9]
12. Newton: 3.3% [-.8]
13. Rivers: 3.5% [-1.2]
14. Dalton: 3.9% [-1.4]
15. Cutler: 4.1% [-1.5]
16. Palmer: 4.3% [-1.3]

Dead center. Not bad! The increase in int% from the first 55:00 of games is a little alarming, but it's not the worst. He places 11th overall in that regard.

**Interesting Note: The 3 superbowl winning QBs in this span all turn the ball over less in the final 5 minutes than they do in the first 55. I don't think that's a coincidence considering that 5 of the 7 SB winning QBs on this list are positive in this regard, and the other 2 (Brees, Brady) aren't too far in the red.

Cumulative QB rating with 5 minutes to go in the game since 2010.
[Passer rating in the first 55 minutes of game]
To the right is the difference in passer rating from first 55 minutes to last 5 minutes. +means player improved in final 5 min, - means player played worse in final 5 min

1. Rodgers: 114.5 [107.3] +7.2
2. Brees: 102.5 [99.3] -3.2
3. Peyton: 99.8 [106.5] -6.7
4. Brady: 97.3 [101.6] -4.3
5. Ben: 97 [90.5] +6.5
6. Rivers: 92.3 [97.4] -5.1
7. Eli: 90.9 [79] +11.9
8. Stafford: 88.1 [86.3] +1.8
9. Luck: 88 [77.1] +10.9
10. Dalton: 88 [84.4] +3.6
11. Romo: 86.1 [102.8] -16.7
12. Ryan: 86 [97.3] -11.3
13. Flacco: 85.9 [81.8] -4.1
14. Newton: 85.2 [87.2] -2.0
15. Cutler: 82.7 [86.9] -4.2
16. Palmer: 81.9 [84.4] -2.5

Not as good for Romo here. Ranks 11 out of 16 in passer rating under 5 minutes, and what's more has the steepest decline in play from the first 55 minutes to the last 5.
 

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OK so what . Romo has 1 more.

So 1 int equals make the difference from great QB to choke artist?

Yes, romo has one more than Brady. Or you could say, Tony has the most picks in those situations than any other qb in the league. It's all how you spin it I guess.

To answer your question, it's not the one pick that makes the difference. It's the rings. That's why they play the game, right? One playoff win isn't very successful for an entire career. He had talent to work with his first few years as a starter and Dallas failed. Tony isn't devoid of blame for that.
 

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http://cowboyszone.com/threads/romo-says-he-will-get-better-in-the-future.291784/#post-5574561
http://cowboyszone.com/threads/romo-says-he-will-get-better-in-the-future.291784/#post-5574567
http://cowboyszone.com/threads/romo-says-he-will-get-better-in-the-future.291784/#post-5574589 (you even liked this one)
http://cowboyszone.com/threads/romo-says-he-will-get-better-in-the-future.291784/#post-5574595 (your own thread - you may not mean it's all on romo, but your post is saying we know what romo will do, hence, all on romo)

and that's page 1 of this thread. now stop making me hit "show ignored content" cause it's just frustrating.

Your post just now illustrates my point .Again, NOBODY said it is all on Romo. You didn't prove jack squat just now other than you can't stand for someone to give Romo ANY blame so you twist their words around to fit your own agenda.


You said this earlier "some fans are always going to put the entire blame on the qb". So again, I challenge you to point those fans out that put all the blame on Romo. Don't twist words, or manipulate what people said to fit your agenda. That gets real old. Back up your original statement. I've never said it, in fact I have said many times we have bigger problems than Romo. But please show me these other fans you are speaking about on here.

You're not on my ignore list yet but you're getting close. No need to debate someone when they just twist what you say and can't be honest with their comments.
 

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Your post just now illustrates my point .Again, NOBODY said it is all on Romo. You didn't prove jack squat just now other than you can't stand for someone to give Romo ANY blame so you twist their words around to fit your own agenda.


You said this earlier "some fans are always going to put the entire blame on the qb". So again, I challenge you to point those fans out that put all the blame on Romo. Don't twist words, or manipulate what people said to fit your agenda. That gets real old. Back up your original statement. I've never said it, in fact I have said many times we have bigger problems than Romo. But please show me these other fans you are speaking about on here.

You're not on my ignore list yet but you're getting close. No need to debate someone when they just twist what you say and can't be honest with their comments.

like i said, i'm not going to take 19,391 people off ignore just to see the hate and show it to you only to have you say i'm twisting words. there's a very specific reason i put those people on ignore and that's because >90% of their posts were BAD ROMO and i just got tired of it. so now they can have at it w/o me interjecting my thoughts on the matter only to be called a homer.

i also said a LOT more in that post you ignore and just pull out a sentence to challenge me with and start some ****. this fish ain't biting, dude.

all the people saying they've seen the movie, they know how it will end (sound familiar) well, i feel the same about the posts. if it's about romo it's time to dog on him. period. end of story.

been there, seen the movie already. time to move on.
 

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It really is a shame for Romo. He has been excellent and the team has repeatedly let him down.

It is this simple... if Romo would have had a defense like Tampa, Pittsburgh, or Baltimore had at the beginning of the 2000's he would have multiple super bowls. I have zero doubt about that.
 

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like i said, i'm not going to take 19,391 people off ignore just to see the hate and show it to you only to have you say i'm twisting words. there's a very specific reason i put those people on ignore and that's because >90% of their posts were BAD ROMO and i just got tired of it. so now they can have at it w/o me interjecting my thoughts on the matter only to be called a homer.

Can you just show me 2 or 3 people who said it? I want to know so I can put them on ignore myself. It would literally be the most absurd comment I have ever heard on here.

i also said a LOT more in that post you ignore and just pull out a sentence to challenge me with and start some ****. this fish ain't biting, dude.

Yeah, because everything you said in there I have already heard before in one way or another. I'm not going to tear your whole post apart and debate you on it. Some of the stuff I completely agreed with as well. I don't think you can use stats/graph alone to support an argument. I agreed with that part. Your line about fans who put the entire blame on Romo caught my eye because I see that line on here all the freaking time but I can't remember seeing anyone say they put the entire blame on Romo. It's just something people who love Romo say all the time because they can't stand for him to get any blame.
 
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