Romo should follow Brady lead

[ABQCOWBOY]

I'll bet they trade for Alex Smith.

They are going to trade for Alex Smith but they may also stick with Matt Cassel now that Pork Chop is in KC. His offense would be perfect for Cassel and one thing I have to say about that guy is that he can coach up QBs.

No doubt about that IMO.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Whichever one they want I would guess. Or, they may trade for a QB or they may sign one. Whatever the case, it hasn't happened yet so I can't say how KC will elect to go on that.

Edit: Looks like they will not be drafting a Franchise QB with the 1st round pick. Looks as if they will be trading 2nd rounders for Smith from the 49ers.

This proves my point about the draft. You just dont dial up a franchise QB, it is very hard to find one and if you have one (Romo), you dont just toss him away and go with the strategy of "we can draft a new franchise QB after our 2-14 season".

Do you think the Cheifs would be trading a pair of 2nds if they thought there was a bonifide franchise QB in this draft? Apparetly they have came to the conclusion that Alex Smith is better than any rookie in the draft this year.


Bottom line.............you dont ditch Romo until you have his replacement on the roster.

 

[Nightman]

What is clear here is this.

1. Brady is getting 33 million for two years.

2. That is a raise of about 3 million over what he would have made.

3. The Pats did not have to do this deal as Brady's contract was not expiring.

4. The Pats did this deal to create more cap space by spreading out his bonus across the next five years.

5. The final three years -- all 24 mill worth are guaranteed for injury. That is, if Brady suffers a career ending injury, he's getting all that money.

6. Brady took an additional 3 mill and a big team paid insurance policy (those last three years) in exchange for making more cap space.

7. Anyone who thinks he's playing in 2015 for 7 mill, 2016 for 8 mill, or 2017 for 9 mill is wrong. If he is still playing at a high level, he's getting another new deal.

You are right that there is almost no chance he plays out the last two years of this deal for $17m, but you are wrong about the other numbers. The 30m signing bonus is spread over the next 3 seasons and isn't a lump sum. He will receive 18m over the next 2 years(vs 30m before) and then gets another 22m for 2015.

Every other time a top QB reworks the deal they get more money upfront. Brady chose to take it towards the back end, but it is still an average of 11m a year vs the 20m Brees and Manning are getting. It helps NE tremendously now and in the future, to say otherwise is just incorrect, he had them over a barrel.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

This proves my point about the draft. You just dont dial up a franchise QB, it is very hard to find one and if you have one (Romo), you dont just toss him away and go with the strategy of "we can draft a new franchise QB after our 2-14 season".

Do you think the Cheifs would be trading a pair of 2nds if they thought there was a bonifide franchise QB in this draft? Apparetly they have came to the conclusion that Alex Smith is better than any rookie in the draft this year.


Bottom line.............you dont ditch Romo until you have his replacement on the roster.

No, what it proves is that when you have high picks in the draft, you have options.

I don't know where you come off with the whole toss Romo away stuff but nobody ever suggested that. Your original post gave the option of another 8-8 season with Romo or a 2-14 season without him.

Well, if 8-8 is what we have to look forward to, then move on from Romo and we can then use that 17 to 20 million to upgrade the OL. Next year and the year after that, the options at QB are much better. The last few years, the options at QB if you had a 1st overall or 2nd overall pick have been pretty good.

You can say that this year is down for QBs and that is reasonable but it won't be that way next year or the year after that. Look at what has been available in the draft with the 1st or 2nd pick.

2012 - Luck, RG3, Tannehill and Wilson

2011 - Newton, Locker, Dalton, Kaepernick

2010 - Bradford

2009 - Stafford

2008 - Ryan, Flacco

Those are all franchise QBs so yeah, I'm saying that we could get a Franchise QB and improve our team significantly if we decided to bit the bullet, suffer through a season or two of losses and go out and draft a QB.

 

[Beast_from_East]

No, what it proves is that when you have high picks in the draft, you have options.

I don't know where you come off with the whole toss Romo away stuff but nobody ever suggested that. Your original post gave the option of another 8-8 season with Romo or a 2-14 season without him.

Well, if 8-8 is what we have to look forward to, then move on from Romo and we can then use that 17 to 20 million to upgrade the OL. Next year and the year after that, the options at QB are much better. The last few years, the options at QB if you had a 1st overall or 2nd overall pick have been pretty good.

You can say that this year is down for QBs and that is reasonable but it won't be that way next year or the year after that. Look at what has been available in the draft with the 1st or 2nd pick.

2012 - Luck, RG3, Tannehill and Wilson

2011 - Newton, Locker, Dalton, Kaepernick

2010 - Bradford

2009 - Stafford

2008 - Ryan, Flacco

Those are all franchise QBs so yeah, I'm saying that we could get a Franchise QB and improve our team significantly if we decided to bit the bullet, suffer through a season or two of losses and go out and draft a QB.

Well is pretty obvious that the team does not feel this way. I just listened to the podcast of Cowboys Break and Nick Eatman said the numbers he is hearing is an extension in the $17 million a year bracket.


So this is all moot.................Romo will get a new deal within a week or two.

 

[DFWJC]

No, what it proves is that when you have high picks in the draft, you have options.

I don't know where you come off with the whole toss Romo away stuff but nobody ever suggested that. Your original post gave the option of another 8-8 season with Romo or a 2-14 season without him.

Well, if 8-8 is what we have to look forward to, then move on from Romo and we can then use that 17 to 20 million to upgrade the OL. Next year and the year after that, the options at QB are much better. The last few years, the options at QB if you had a 1st overall or 2nd overall pick have been pretty good.

You can say that this year is down for QBs and that is reasonable but it won't be that way next year or the year after that. Look at what has been available in the draft with the 1st or 2nd pick.

2012 - Luck, RG3, Tannehill and Wilson

2011 - Newton, Locker, Dalton, Kaepernick

2010 - Bradford

2009 - Stafford

2008 - Ryan, Flacco

Those are all franchise QBs so yeah, I'm saying that we could get a Franchise QB and improve our team significantly if we decided to bit the bullet, suffer through a season or two of losses and go out and draft a QB.

Do you think if we traded Romo and got another high pick, saved a ton of cap space to allow for FAs, used all our picks on upgrading the trenches, inserted Orton for a year or two, we would be in contention for the number overall pick?
I don't.
I think we'd be a middle Jag-like team (assuming we drafted ok and did not have catastrophic injuries again). The upside would be gone, but I don't see 2-14 as a possibiltiy either.

And btw, a whole bunch of those guys you listed as franchise QBs are still debateable. Maybe in 2-3 years, we'll know.
But I see your overall point.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Well is pretty obvious that the team does not feel this way. I just listened to the podcast of Cowboys Break and Nick Eatman said the numbers he is hearing is an extension in the $17 million a year bracket.


So this is all moot.................Romo will get a new deal within a week or two.

I never once said that the team felt that way but then again, they don't believe that we will go 8-8 again, which is what you said the upside was if we kept him.

If the team felt as if all we could look forward to was 8-8 with Romo for the foreseeable future, I don't believe for a second that they would extend him for 17 Million or whatever the number ends up being.

Do you?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Do you think if we traded Romo and got another high pick, saved a ton of cap space to allow for FAs, used all our picks on upgrading the trenches, inserted Orton for a year or two, we would be in contention for the number overall pick?
I don't.
I think we'd be a middle Jag-like team (assuming we drafted ok and did not have catastrophic injuries again). The upside would be gone, but I don't see 2-14 as a possibiltiy either.

And btw, a whole buch of those guys you listed as franchise QBs are still debateable.
But I see your overall point.

No I don't. I believe that if we did all you say, we would be in the playoffs but the stated option was 2-14 so that's what I worked off of.

I'm telling you now, Orton is a lot better QB then anybody is giving him credit for. When he has had any kind of talent around him, he has played pretty well.

I also don't believe that we need the 1st or 2nd overall pick to find a franchise QB. In fact, in the history of our organization, the only Franchise QB we acquired in this manner was Troy. Meredith was a 3rd Rd. pick. Roger was a 10th Rd Pick. White was a 3rd Rd. Pick and Romo was an UFA sign. Only Troy was a 1st round pick, franchise QB. There are good QBs that can be taken with something other then the 1st overall pick. Now, your chances increase, there is no question bout that if you use a pick like that but the key is developing a QB. If you had a guy like Orton, you could develop a QB that could be a darn good one for us down the road IMO.

 

[DFWJC]

I'm telling you now, Orton is a lot better QB then anybody is giving him credit for. When he has had any kind of talent around him, he has played pretty well.

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I think Orton is on par with Alex Smith, so yes, I think he would be a serviceable starter if surrounded by a good team. Maybe Orton has alittle better arm and maybe Smith takes care of the ball better.

If we struck gold with all our picks and in FA, the team could be ok with Orton. That is a lot of ifs.
If we did all of the above and had Romo, I think we'd have a Super Bowl contender. I'm sure that's the goal. But again, alot fo "ifs".

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think Orton is on par with Alex Smith, so yes, I think he would be a serviceable starter if surrounded by a good team. Maybe Orton has alittle better arm and maybe Smith takes care of the ball better.

If we struck gold with all our picks and in FA, the team could be ok with Orton. That is a lot of ifs.
If we did all of the above and had Romo, I think we'd have a Super Bowl contender. I'm sure that's the goal. But again, alot fo "ifs".

I don't think you have to strike gold. I think you have to take good players at positions of need in the 1st 4 rounds and I think you have to sign decent talent to reasonable contracts, which is not impossible, in FA. I think you need to stop over paying and over extending players and I think you have to be willing to step away from guys when the time is right. If we did that, Orton could win for us and there are no real "ifs" involved IMO.

The problem, at least IMO, is not if we would be better off without Romo or if he deserves to be paid. The problem is that we've run this franchise poorly for the last 15 years and because of that, we are in a financial position that forces us into a situation where signing Romo may not be the best thing for this Franchise. Is it Romo's fault? No, I don't think so. Would I rather be able to sign Romo? Sure, that would be what I would like to be able to do. Is that the best option for this franchise down the road? No. I don't believe it is and if we were being completely honest about this entire situations, I think most people would agree with that but we are not looking at in in that manner. We are trying to avoid what we fear, which is a 2-14 season.

I think the writing is on the wall where Romo is concerned. We are going to try and re-sign him and it's not going to be a financially friendly deal IMO but that's what we are probably going to do. The problem is that if you resign Romo, you can't do all of the same things you could do if you had that additional cap space minus Romo's salary so yeah, that is a big "if" thing, as you say.

Doesn't mean it's good for the team long term thou.

 

[jterrell]

The Cowboys may well look at this Brady deal and handle Romo similarly.

Guarantee Romo for much of the contract and obtain lower cap numbers per year for doing so.

It will incite the Romo haters but at least shut up the constant cut Romo talks.

 

[DFWJC]

I don't think you have to strike gold. I think you have to take good players at positions of need in the 1st 4 rounds and I think you have to sign decent talent to reasonable contracts, which is not impossible, in FA. I think you need to stop over paying and over extending players and I think you have to be willing to step away from guys when the time is right. If we did that, Orton could win for us and there are no real "ifs" involved IMO.

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It sounds straight forward.
But compared to our history, that IS like striking gold to me.

Heck, if we did all that we would already be SB contenders.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

It sound straight forward.
But compared to our history, that IS like striking gold to me.

Heck, if we did all that we would already be SB contenders.

This is true. If we did all that, then yeah but that's the whole point right? We are not an organization who has ever really done all that, since we have had Jerry running the team.

We don't make forward thinking choices. We try to float the cap and that leads to bad business decisions later. The real truth is that we should not have to worry about paying Romo 17 Million a year. If we managed our cap well and if we drafted and developed like we should, we would be in good position to pay Romo.

We don't do that and we are not going to do that again.

 

[Nightman]

This is true. If we did all that, then yeah but that's the whole point right? We are not an organization who has ever really done all that, since we have had Jerry running the team.

We don't make forward thinking choices. We try to float the cap and that leads to bad business decisions later. The real truth is that we should not have to worry about paying Romo 17 Million a year. If we managed our cap well and if we drafted and developed like we should, we would be in good position to pay Romo.

We don't do that and we are not going to do that again.

No one is in a good position to pay their QBs 17-20m with the salary cap.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

No one is in a good position to pay their QBs 17-20m with the salary cap.

I don't disagree but that doesn't change the fact that we have been forced to sign FA players and trade for players and pay way too much money for players and have way too much dead cap for way too long. A lot of the reason the number is so high for Romo is because we have pushed his money back so often. The number is 17 this season because we have restructured him too many times.

I do get what you are saying but had we been better over the years, the problem would be much less complex IMO.

 

[AbeBeta]

You are right that there is almost no chance he plays out the last two years of this deal for $17m, but you are wrong about the other numbers. The 30m signing bonus is spread over the next 3 seasons and isn't a lump sum. He will receive 18m over the next 2 years(vs 30m before) and then gets another 22m for 2015.

You cannot spread a signing bonus over different years.

 

[Nightman]

You cannot spread a signing bonus over different years.

Where'd you heat that, the internet? From the NFL.com article:


Brady gets a $30 million signing bonus as part of the deal, and that will be paid out between now and early 2015. In addition, his base salary of $1 million this year and $2 million next year are fully guaranteed. As of now, his $7 million base in 2015, $8 million base for 2016 and $9 million base for 2017 are guaranteed for injury only.

 

[jterrell]

Where'd you heat that, the internet? From the NFL.com article:


Brady gets a $30 million signing bonus as part of the deal, and that will be paid out between now and early 2015. In addition, his base salary of $1 million this year and $2 million next year are fully guaranteed. As of now, his $7 million base in 2015, $8 million base for 2016 and $9 million base for 2017 are guaranteed for injury only.

In fairness that is a misnomer on the part of NFL.com. Signing bonus means paid at time of signing. Other bonuses are earned, deferred or roster bonuses.

This is really a deferred bonus scheduled to hit at later dates to offset any cap hits. This is basically what Dallas has done with its "scheduled levers". Deferred bonus money.

 

[Nightman]

In fairness that is a misnomer on the part of NFL.com. Signing bonus means paid at time of signing. Other bonuses are earned, deferred or roster bonuses.

This is really a deferred bonus scheduled to hit at later dates to offset any cap hits. This is basically what Dallas has done with its "scheduled levers". Deferred bonus money.

You are correct. They should be reported as Roster Bonuses. Everyone is in such a hurry to be first instead of right, they ***** the details sometimes. The point still remains that Brady is taking less money, now and in the future compared to his old deal and what his market value is. He may very well re-do his deal in 2015, but right now is all we can look it.