Romo vs Staubach and Aikman

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Stat-padding is the reality of this era... Peyton Manning, with the number 1 offense in the world, that set all sorts of records, 3 years back couldn't do jack against a Seattle defense that was basically playing like DBs did in the early 90

QBs regularly pass over 300 yards a game nowadays, even the sub-par average ones.

But Manning proved his greatness. By going to another organization...after major neck surgery....at an advanced age...and immediately putting them in Super Bowl contention. To do that with all of his physical limitations speaks to his leadership, his competiveness, his IQ for the game...and simply his greatness.

 

[khiladi]

But Manning proved his greatness. By going to another organization...after major neck surgery....at an advanced age...and immediately putting them in Super Bowl contention. To do that with all of his physical limitations speaks to his leadership, his competiveness, his IQ for the game...and simply his greatness.

But he and that number 1 ranked offense that shattered all types of records got absolutely plastered when they played against a defense that was allowed to man-handle WRs like they use to do with Aikman's era.. That was really the point...

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

None of the guys you mention could have run the timing offense. None of them could have come to Dallas and even played here without changing personnel and scheme. Going to ask again, are you old enough to have actually watched Aikman play his entire career? The reason I ask this is because you seem to be a little misinformed on a couple of things. Troy came to the worst situation in the Entire NFL. When he was drafted, it was anything but perfect. They did manage to build the best OL in the history of the game IMO, but it didn't start out that way. Troy entered the NFL similar to David Carr. Same kind of beatings, same opportunity to be ruined. We were really, really bad. It's a mistake to think that Troy was not important because there have only been a handful of QBs who could run that kind of Offense in the history of the game and nobody did it better then Troy. The difference is that the Cowboys were not so in love with the passing game that they could not function without it. That team had real balance and that is why they could win without Troy for a short duration. This team has been built to be so reliant on Tony that it can't function without him. The Coaching Staff doesn't help. Free agency started in the NFL in 1992. Free Agency is what killed that team.

Tony could not have even run that Offense because he didn't have the arm. Tony, IMO, would never have started for Jimmy because Jimmy would never have given him the amount of throws Tony likes. This audible to a different play as frequently as we do now would never have been allowed on those teams.

Was way different then.

I am in no way saying Troy was not great. And you are right....this coaching staff has not done Tony ANY favors. Neither has this front office. But I have vowed not to turn this thread to the REAL issue in Dallas.

Lastly, you are making an argument for Tony. Tony is dealing with Amateur Night at the Apollo in the front office. He is dealing with a coach who is learning on the job. And he is dealing with free agency. We will never know how Troy would have dealt with those things.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't think there was an UNQUESTIONED leader on those teams. I think there were multiple leaders. I also don't think Troy was the most important person in the franchise....like most franchise QBs are today. It was Jimmy. The team was good enough to win without Jimmy....without Norv...without Butch Davis...without Dave Wanstedt...and without Troy. That is how GOOD we were. This dynasty breathed it's last breath game 4 of the 199 season in Veterans stadium.

Well, you ask Emmitt, you ask Michael and they both say that Troy was the unquestioned leader of that team. Jimmy was the head coach and he ran things differently then but when Jimmy left, it was Troy who kept things together.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

But he and that number 1 ranked offense that shattered all types of records got absolutely plastered when they played against a defense that was allowed to man-handle WRs like they use to do with Aikman's era.. That was really the point...

You are right...he lost.....but he lost in the Super Bowl!

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Well, you ask Emmitt, you ask Michael and they both say that Troy was the unquestioned leader of that team. Jimmy was the head coach and he ran things differently then but when Jimmy left, it was Troy who keeped things together.

It was finally over when Michael Irvin could not get up off the gosh AWFUL "turf" in Veterans stadium

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I am in no way saying Troy was not great. And you are right....this coaching staff has not done Tony ANY favors. Neither has this front office. But I have vowed not to turn this thread to the REAL issue in Dallas.

Lastly, you are making an argument for Tony. Tony is dealing with Amateur Night at the Apollo in the front office. He is dealing with a coach who is learning on the job. And he is dealing with free agency. We will never know how Troy would have dealt with those things.

Not really. From the perspective of statistics, this Coaching Staff has done Tony a huge favor. From the stand point of winning, they have done him a huge disservice but honestly, Tony has the power to call any play, at any time. In that way, he is actually much more like Roger was. Tony could correct his situation himself, from the stand point of balanced offensive play calling but he has not done that. That's on Tony.

I also disagree with you on Coaching Staff. Troy had to play for Switzer, and regardless of what you think about our current coaching staff, Switzer was way worse. How did Troy deal with it? He won a Championship.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Not really. From the perspective of statistics, this Coaching Staff has done Tony a huge favor. From the stand point of winning, they have done him a huge disservice but honestly, Tony has the power to call any play, at any time. In that way, he is actually much more like Roger was. Tony could correct his situation himself, from the stand point of balanced offensive play calling but he has not done that. That's on Tony.

I also disagree with you on Coaching Staff. Troy had to play for Switzer, and regardless of what you think about our current coaching staff, Switzer was way worse. How did Troy deal with it? He won a Championship.

My gosh...the current head coach...who had never been a head coach on any level...Is better than Barry Switzer? And no....I don't think Barry Switzer was great NFL Coach. But I don't think Garett is a NFL head coach. Period. The blunders Jason Garrett made his first few years simply don't happen....not even in Pee Wee football.

 

[KJJ]

Jim Kelly, Brett Favre, Steve Young, Warren Moon off the top of my head all were superior at qb compared to the 4-5 good years that Troy gave the cowboys

Aikman started winning SB's at the time you were born. lol All you have to document the careers of those QBs are highlights. Aikman beat Favre, Kelly and Young multiple times in the playoffs to win his 3 SB's. Aikman beat Favre 3 times in the playoffs including once in a conference title game. Most will rank Favre ahead of Aikman due to his NFL passing records and because he was a more exciting player but he was a mistake prone QB who made almost as many bad plays as great plays. Aikman beat Young in back to back conference title games and he beat Kelly in back to back SB's. As for Moon all he has over Aikman is better career stats. Aikman's playoff record was 7-1 vs Favre, Kelly and Young.

 

[CowboyChris]

Not really. From the perspective of statistics, this Coaching Staff has done Tony a huge favor. From the stand point of winning, they have done him a huge disservice but honestly, Tony has the power to call any play, at any time. In that way, he is actually much more like Roger was. Tony could correct his situation himself, from the stand point of balanced offensive play calling but he has not done that. That's on Tony.

I also disagree with you on Coaching Staff. Troy had to play for Switzer, and regardless of what you think about our current coaching staff, Switzer was way worse. How did Troy deal with it? He won a Championship.

How exactly is that true? Garrett is one of the worst head coaches we ever had.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

My gosh...the current head coach...who had never been a head coach on any level...Is better than Barry Switzer? And no....I don't think Barry Switzer was great NFL Coach. But I don't think Garett is a NFL head coach. Period. The blunders Jason Garrett made his first few years simply don't happen....not even in Pee Wee football.

Yeah, without a doubt. How do you not know this? Switzer coached at OU. He didn't know anything about the modern NFL passing game or about NFL players. Heck, the guy didn't know that you couldn't bring a gun onto a air plane for Christ Sake.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Yeah, without a doubt. How do you not know this? Switzer coached at OU. He didn't know anything about the modern NFL passing game or about NFL players. Heck, the guy didn't know that you couldn't bring a gun onto a air plane for Christ Sake.

And having said all of that...he STILL was a better head coach than Garrett. That is just how bad Garrett is. Garrett is NOT and "X" and "O" guy. Nor is he motivator. Nor is he a disciplinarian. It is my option that Garrett is a front office guy.

 

[Clove]

Jim Kelly, Brett Favre, Steve Young, Warren Moon off the top of my head all were superior at qb compared to the 4-5 good years that Troy gave the cowboys

When you have a scheme that's based on running the ball, those other QBs would be better. How many Super Bowls did all of those have compared to Aikman?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

How exactly is that true? Garrett is one of the worst head coaches we ever had.

At the very least, Garrett played in the NFL. He was an OC before he was a HC. Now, I'm not a huge fan of Garrett and I never really liked the choice but at least he understood things about the NFL. Switzer never ran a passing offense in his life. He actually had Troy Aikman on his Sooners team and elected to stick with the bone rather then go to the passing game. He was out of coaching, not NFL coaching but coaching period for 5 years before he was brought to Dallas.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

And having said all of that...he STILL was a better head coach than Garrett. That is just how bad Garrett is. Garrett is NOT and "X" and "O" guy. Nor is he motivator. Nor is he a disciplinarian. It is my option that Garrett is a front office guy.

I don't agree. Switzer was horrible IMO.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

How exactly is that true? Garrett is one of the worst head coaches we ever had.

He's the third best HC we have ever had.

Coach Landry, then Jimmy and then Garrett. I agree that he is one of the worst because the delta between Jimmy and Garrett is significant IMO but honestly, he is the best outside of those two.

 

[Clove]

The objective of playing in the NFL is to win Super Bowls. If you're not doing that, or at the very minimum, going to a Super Bowl, your career was pretty worthless. Romo should not be in the conversation with any QB the Cowboys have ever had.

 

[CowboyChris]

He's the third best HC we have ever had.

Coach Landry, then Jimmy and then Garrett. I agree that he is one of the worst because the delta between Jimmy and Garrett is significant IMO but honestly, he is the best outside of those two.

sorry i have Landry, Johnson, Switzer, and Parcells ahead of Garrett, in fact after last season, i have Gailey and Campo slightly ahead of JG.

 

[WillieBeamen]

He's the third best HC we have ever had.

Coach Landry, then Jimmy and then Garrett. I agree that he is one of the worst because the delta between Jimmy and Garrett is significant IMO but honestly, he is the best outside of those two.

Garrett over Parcells?

 

[csirl]

A lot of posters are doing Aikman a disservice. You can't compare stats from different eras - today's QBs have better stats as the rules are more biased towards passing.

Its also difficult to compare the stats of players on good and bad teams.

People say Aikman played on good teams, which he did. But he also played on losing teams with a revolving door on the locker room including as a rookie on one of the worst teams in history (1-15). What stands out most with Aikman was the 'eye test'. Even as a rookie getting battered on a 1-15 team, he looked like a future HOF QB. His execution, accuracy and poise in the pocket was exceptional. When Aikman played, you never had to worry about him - he just executed.

I'm not going to talk about Staubach as I was a kid when he played and didn't watch him as much as later QBs.

Of the 3 QBs I saw most of - White, Aikman,
Romo there is one clear winner - Aikman.

The real question is where Romo ranks against White. I my opinion this is a very close call, but Im edging towards White.