Romo was sharp today

[Rockport]

I said pick one and you refuse. It's not even close between Peyton and Montana in a must win game.

I don't care what you said and I don't take orders from you. I'd take either one.

 

[DanteEXT]

Their points were increasing in postseason each year as Brady matured. They averaged just over 27 points during the regular season in 04 and over 28 points during the postseason.

You claimed NE scored a lot of points and that is what helped the defense. Clearly, that really was not really the case for their 1st 2 Superbowls years.

 

[KJJ]

Nice post, I think KJJ just looks at the QB when it comes to wins and losses. The Giants defense and a great catch by a no name receiver won that game, not Eli. Its a team sport. To his defense he looks at Romo the same way, if we don't win it's Romo's fault.

I don't just look at the QB but they influence the outcome of playoff and SB games more than any other player which is why QB's are named SB MVP's more than any other player. Eli was the MVP in both Giants SB wins not a defensive player and not a receiver. The MVP signifies the most valuable player which means you probably wouldn't have won without the performance of that player. If the Cowboys don't win I don't put it all on Romo you're just going along with the agenda.

 

[Corso]

In 2001 New England was 6th in points given up. In 2003 no team gave up fewer points than the Patriots. In 2004 only 1 team gave up fewer points than the patriots. I think top 5 fits.

And in all this posting you didn't touch on the fact that in two playoff wins in that 2007 season you are talking about Eli threw for less than 200 yards. You claim Eli came up big in the playoffs and that is the reason we are to believe that he plays his best in the playoffs.

Again i'm going to say this very slowly....in that 2007 playoff run by the giants Eli never threw for 300 yards or 3 tds in a game. In half of his 4 games he threw for 185 yards or less. So a helmet miracle catch is what gives Eli some kind of playoff street cred?

You can't be serious.

Ha ha! and enunciate clearly...

 

[KJJ]

I don't care what you said and I don't take orders from you. I'd take either one.

You have no answer as usual. I'll give you Peyton and his 21 playoff turnovers and watch you bite your nails the entire game. LOL

 

[Rockport]

You have no answer as usual. I'll give you Peyton and his 21 playoff turnovers and watch you bite your nails the entire game. LOL

Don't need to answer. LOL!!! ....they'll bring you down to there level and beat you everytime.

 

[KJJ]

In 2001 New England was 6th in points given up. In 2003 no team gave up fewer points than the Patriots. In 2004 only 1 team gave up fewer points than the patriots. I think top 5 fits.

And in all this posting you didn't touch on the fact that in two playoff wins in that 2007 season you are talking about Eli threw for less than 200 yards. You claim Eli came up big in the playoffs and that is the reason we are to believe that he plays his best in the playoffs.

Again i'm going to say this very slowly....in that 2007 playoff run by the giants Eli never threw for 300 yards or 3 tds in a game. In half of his 4 games he threw for 185 yards or less. So a helmet miracle catch is what gives Eli some kind of playoff street cred?

You can't be serious.

NE was 0-2 in 2001 until Brady took over. That team was going nowhere with Bledsoe. You honestly believe that NE team would have rebounded from that 0-2 start under Bledsoe and gone on to win the SB with him as the QB? The only time Bledsoe got the Pats to the SB he tossed 4 picks. You continue to try and make it appear Brady was carried to his 3 SB wins by his defense. As for Eli who cares that he didn't throw for 300 yards or 3 TD's in any game. He was efficient and had a 6-1 TD to turnover ratio during the 07 postseason.

Head to head vs Romo on the road in Dallas against a well rested 13-3 Cowboys team Eli finished the game with 132.4 passer rating compared to Romo's 64.7 passer rating. The week prior on the road vs Tampa Eli had a passer rating of 117.1. He outplayed 2 of the greatest QB's in NFL history in back to back weeks in Favre and Brady and here you are questioning him as a big game QB. You can't be serious!

 

[KJJ]

Don't need to answer. LOL!!! ....they'll bring you down to there level and beat you everytime.

Don't need to answer means you don't have an answer. LOL

 

[Rockport]

Don't need to answer means you don't have an answer. LOL

You're right. I'd take either one.

 

[KJJ]

Stop watching ESPN. I have nothing against the worldwide leader but you clearly are being unduly influenced by soundbites designed to be catchy and 15 seconds long. That's the only way you could possibly be trying to make this argument.

I don't watch ESPN but you obviously do because you keep bringing them up and know everything they talk about. LOL You're just another FAN who thinks you know more than the ones who get paid to talk football and actually played and coached the game. Any FAN who keeps preaching the experts don't know what they're talking about loses all credibility.

 

[KJJ]

You're right. I'd take either one.

You would take Montana just like most would but you don't want to say because you don't want to agree with me. LOL

 

[KJJ]

How was I wrong? I just showed you they were 6th, 1st and 2nd on points allowed by the defense. I may have undersold them when I called them just top 5.

You said they were a top 5 defense but they weren't "ranked" top 5 so you were wrong. You just keep going on and on about their defense like Brady was being carried to those 3 SB wins.

 

[KJJ]

You claimed NE scored a lot of points and that is what helped the defense. Clearly, that really was not really the case for their 1st 2 Superbowls years.

I was referring mostly to the 2 SB's they reached in 07 and 2011 vs the Giants. They scored a lot of points those years. They didn't score a lot of points during their first 2 SB runs but I mentioned they were efficient offensively and Brady wasn't leaving his defense with a short field. A teams offense can contribute to how their defense plays. If you're not moving the ball offensively that keeps your defense on the field. Repeated mistakes by the QB can result in their defense having to defend a short field which makes it more difficult to keep the opponent out of the end zone.

 

[cowboyeric8]

Fellas, there is a feature on this site many should use. JMO

 

[5Stars]

Fellas, there is a feature on this site many should use. JMO

That is true, but it's also fun to watch someone write and write and write until death do them part to try and win an argument when all that needs to be said is that "Romo sucks" and Eli, the Payton, Brady, Brees, and any other QB in the league besides Romo are real QB's.

I swear, it's like having a 49'er troll among this forum

 

[DanteEXT]

I was referring mostly to the 2 SB's they reached in 07 and 2011 vs the Giants. They scored a lot of points those years. They didn't score a lot of points during their first 2 SB runs but I mentioned they were efficient offensively and Brady wasn't leaving his defense with a short field. A teams offense can contribute to how their defense plays. If you're not moving the ball offensively that keeps your defense on the field. Repeated mistakes by the QB can result in their defense having to defend a short field which makes it more difficult to keep the opponent out of the end zone.

How did they do in the SB's in 2007 and 2011 when they had to have Tom Brady to throw lots of TD's just to win games?

 

[KJJ]

How did they do in the SB's in 2007 and 2011 when they had to have Tom Brady to throw lots of TD's just to win games?

They needed Brady to do what he did during the regular season and he didn't produce. If you're a team that does most of your living off your QB's arm you're going to have a tough time winning if they don't produce. Brady didn't play up to the level in the 2 SB losses to the Giants that he did during the regular season those years. His passer rating was 117.2 during the regular season in 07 but only 82.5 in the SB. He tossed 50 TD's during the regular season but only 1 TD in the SB. Sure the Giants D stepped up but Brady was clearly off his game. In the 2011 SB again Brady didn't play to the level he played during the regular season.

Eli on the other hand played better during both the 07 and 2011 postseason than he did during the regular season. Eli had 27 turnovers in 07 that was one more turnover than Mark Sanchez had last season for the Jets. Eli upped his game when the games mattered most and it led to 2 SB wins and 2 SB MVP awards.

 

[Corso]

He was wrong the Pats defenses weren't ranked in the top 5.

What were they ranked then?

 

[KJJ]

What were they ranked then?

In 2001 they were ranked 24th. In 03 they were ranked 7th (the Cowboys were ranked #1) and in 04 they were ranked 9th.

 

[Corso]

In 2004 they were ranked 24th in what categories?
In '03 they were ranked 7th in what categories?
In '04 they were ranked 9th in what categories?

Just Defense? Scoring defense? Run defense? Pass defense? What?

I'm not trying to be an ***., but c'mon. You're trying to make a strong point against the people you are arguing against- let's see some strong arguments without generalisations.