Romo's Season Among Cowboys' All-Time Best

[Wrangler87]

Are you able to follow the conversation? I've already said he didn't have his best game today. Was facing the coach who has shut down more offenses than we can shake a stick at. The coach who has shut down Peyton Manning more than once.

But you also conveniently leave out his long TD run today.

Plus, like I said, and most NFL players would tell you, there is really only one stat that matters. W-L

Romo and Young both had the same stat today: L

I left out his TD run, because I was talking about a QB. His success or failures will fall directly on his ability to pass the ball.

 

[rcaldw]

Did their defense/special teams/running game look this good last year?

I don't remember that being the case.

Was it the case that their defense and special teams were winning games before Young took over this year?

I don't remember that being the case.

Why don't you listen to HIS TEAMMATES. Don't you think that would be wise? Have you been listening to them? You would think that Young was the 2nd coming of Otto Graham.

He was a shot in the arm for the whole team. One that didn't wear off after 4 or 5 games either.

 

[Wrangler87]

Was it the case that their defense and special teams were winning games before Young took over this year?

I don't remember that being the case.

Why don't you listen to HIS TEAMMATES. Don't you think that would be wise? Have you been listening to them? You would think that Young was the 2nd coming of Otto Graham.

He was a shot in the arm for the whole team. One that didn't wear off after 4 or 5 games either.

Take away the 8 kick returns for TD's, and how many wins does he have.

 

[theogt]

Was it the case that their defense and special teams were winning games before Young took over this year?

I don't remember that being the case.

Why don't you listen to HIS TEAMMATES. Don't you think that would be wise? Have you been listening to them? You would think that Young was the 2nd coming of Otto Graham.

He was a shot in the arm for the whole team. One that didn't wear off after 4 or 5 games either.

You're right. They didn't start winning games until their defense/special teams starting taking over games and scoring themselves.

 

[rcaldw]

I left out his TD run, because I was talking about a QB. His success or failures will fall directly on his ability to pass the ball.

Really? Man, that should make the Houston Texans feel better. They didn't really lose that game in overtime did they? you know, when he had that meaningless 39 yard TD run to finish it. Yea, that didn't figure into the Titan's success that day.

 

[Wrangler87]

Dallas doesn't measure a QB by any other stat than Rings. Period.

Well, then we will have to wait a few years.

 

[rcaldw]

You're right. They didn't start winning games until their defense/special teams starting taking over games and scoring themselves.

I'll tell you what , you and Wrangler 87 can hang out in this thread and keep telling yourselves you're right, despite all the evidence to the contrary. I make it a point to avoid writer's cramp once it becomes apparent that the writing makes no difference.

I enjoyed the opportunity to make my point.

Oh yea, weren't those Buffalo Bills stupid for settling for Losman instead of Bledsoe? (you know, I heard that alot last year)

Cya

 

[Wrangler87]

I'll tell you what , you and Wrangler 87 can hang out in this thread and keep telling yourselves you're right, despite all the evidence to the contrary. I make it a point to avoid writer's cramp once it becomes apparent that the writing makes no difference.

I enjoyed the opportunity to make my point.

Oh yea, weren't those Buffalo Bills stupid for settling for Losman instead of Bledsoe? (you know, I heard that alot last year)

Cya

Okay. But you go to the Titans message board and continue your Vince Young lovefest.

By the way, Losman and Young will have plaenty of time to talk to each other over the next few weeks, because neither of them will be in the playoffs.

Later.

 

[rcaldw]

Okay. But you go to the Titans message board and continue your Vince Young lovefest.

By the way, Losman and Young will have plaenty of time to talk to each other over the next few weeks, because neither of them will be in the playoffs.

Later.

I planned on my last post being it, but gotta respond to this one.

Are you really so ignorant that you can't understand recognizing an opposing player's greatness, or talent without being a fan of that team?

I don't know your age, but I'm 43 years old. I have literally been a Dallas Cowboys fan from the time I can remember watching a football game. My dad had a football in my hand when I could barely walk, and I would wait up late at night with him to watch preseason games on a bad reception on a black and white TV.

I attended games with him in the Cotton Bowl. I was present at the playoff game that Dallas beat Detroit 5-0. (A Charlie Waters pick sealed our victory in that one). I can remember his being so down after the 1970 loss to the Colts in the Super Bowl that he wouldn't throw the ball with me for very long in the back yard.

I was present at the 1977 NFC Championship game that took us to the Super Bowl, a win over the Vikings.

I was born in Dallas. Continued to be a die hard Cowboys fan when my Dad defected to the Oilers after we moved to Houston in the 70's.

You can say just about anything about me and not get a rise out of me, but don't ever tell me to go to the Titans board again.

I'm a Cowboys fan. And unlike you, that doesn't mean that I can't be thoughtful about another player's abilities, nor does it mean that I can't see the weaknesses of our own, and STILL LIKE THEM, AND STILL ROOT FOR THEM.

When Dallas plays the Titans one day in the future, my loyalty will be with Tony Romo if he is our QB.

So, as respectfully as I know how, I would tell you that you are out of line. Disagree with me all you want, but don't treat me like I haven't been a fan of the Cowboys. I've been one all my life.

 

[percyhoward]

those other guys played a full season though

No they didn't. Aikman only played 12 games in 1991. Staubach only started 9 games in 1971 when he set the record for passer rating. There are other examples. The point is, many of the records were set by guys who threw fewer passes than Romo did this year.

In fact, Romo's 337 attempts is more than three of the years listed: Staubach's in 1971 and 73, and more than Morton's in 1969. That makes this particular stat even more impressive:

Yards Per Attempt
Staubach 1971 8.92
Morton 1969 8.67
Romo 2006 8.62

IOW, Romo's 8.62 ypa is the highest ever for a Cowboy with as many attempts as Romo had this year. His passer rating is 2nd all-time among Cowboy QB's with that many attempts.

The most amazing thing about Romo's 2006 (other than, perhaps, that he did it on a less than stellar team), is his completion percentage together with yards per attempt.

In 1993, when Aikman set a team record for completion percentage in a season, his ypa that year only ranks 9th. Staubach is 1st on the ypa list, but highest completion percentage puts him at 9th. That's comparing their best years in those categories.

But Romo now has the 3rd highest all-time ypa, and the 3rd highest all-time completion percentage for a season. No other player is in the top 7 in both categories.

And remember, that's comparing a first-year starter with the years of all the other Cowboy QB's in their prime.

 

[Bullet22]

Maybe Romo will make the ProBowl someday..

 

[TobiasEagle77]

Ints Per Game*
*Romo's Ints per game in 2006 is based on 11 games played.
'06 Tony Romo 1.18
'02 Quincy Carter 1.14
'05 Drew Bledsoe 1.06
'01 Quincy Carter 0.88
'00 Randall Cunningham 0.67

 

[theogt]

Ints Per Game*
*Romo's Ints per game in 2006 is based on 11 games played.
'06 Tony Romo 1.18
'02 Quincy Carter 1.14
'05 Drew Bledsoe 1.06
'01 Quincy Carter 0.88
'00 Randall Cunningham 0.67

Are these historical highs?

If not, what's the point?

 

[TobiasEagle77]

I didn't offer a conclusion. I just thought it was interesting that Interceptions were left out of the discussion, so I took a quick look at them and offered what I found. Stats can be used to paint a rosy picture when you only post the ones that support your conclusion.

I think Romo is a good quarterback, but to call this one of the best seasons of a cowboy QB after 10 starts... call me a skeptic.

I'd also like to point out that passing stats have gone way up, on average, the last couple years since the rule changes designed to help out offenses.

 

[percyhoward]

I just thought it was interesting that Interceptions were left out of the discussion.

Maybe you missed it, but I said Romo has the 3rd highest passer rating in Cowboys' history.

Now compare Romo's yards, TD's, and completion percentage with those guys you listed. If not, looks like you're the one who's leaving things out.

 

[rcaldw]

Maybe you missed it, but I said Romo has the 3rd highest passer rating in Cowboys' history.

Now compare Romo's yards, TD's, and completion percentage with those guys you listed. If not, looks like you're the one who's leaving things out.

My goodness folks, what are you celebrating? We have lost 3 of 4 at the most important time of the year. The most important stat for a QB is WINNING.

1971 - Cowboys - Super Bowl win
1993 - Cowboys - Super Bowl win

You can get into ypa and all the rest and if it doesn't equate to winning it is absolutely meaningless.

Ask Bill Parcells if he was happy with Romo's performanced today. He completed 70 plus pct of his passes. Ask Parcells. What did he say? This is the stuff he saw in Romo's first year?

You guys are such Romo fans that you lose all objectivity. You want to say this is one of the greatest seasons by a Cowboys QB based on stats. Have you watched the games? (rhetorical question, I know you have) Do you really think you have seen one of the top 5 seasons in Cowboys history at the QB position? Do you honestly contend that?

The guy has had a good year. He led us to the playoffs. He will play in the Pro Bowl. But this last month has not been a great one, not for US, and not for HIM.

 

[theogt]

My goodness folks, what are you celebrating? We have lost 3 of 4 at the most important time of the year. The most important stat for a QB is WINNING.

1971 - Cowboys - Super Bowl win
1993 - Cowboys - Super Bowl win

You can get into ypa and all the rest and if it doesn't equate to winning it is absolutely meaningless.

Ask Bill Parcells if he was happy with Romo's performanced today. He completed 70 plus pct of his passes. Ask Parcells. What did he say? This is the stuff he saw in Romo's first year?

You guys are such Romo fans that you lose all objectivity. You want to say this is one of the greatest seasons by a Cowboys QB based on stats. Have you watched the games? (rhetorical question, I know you have) Do you really think you have seen one of the top 5 seasons in Cowboys history at the QB position? Do you honestly contend that?

The guy has had a good year. He led us to the playoffs. He will play in the Pro Bowl. But this last month has not been a great one, not for US, and not for HIM.

Why is it such a bad thing to point out how the current QB's season long play stands in Cowboys history?

It makes no sense to say, "Well we played bad today so we can't talk about any of the players and the seasons they had."

bbgun did this in the Ware thread. It's ridiculous. If you don't want to talk about it, leave the thread.

 

[rcaldw]

Why is it such a bad thing to point out how the current QB's season long play stands in Cowboys history?

It makes no sense to say, "Well we played bad today so we can't talk about any of the players and the seasons they had."

bbgun did this in the Ware thread. It's ridiculous. If you don't want to talk about it, leave the thread.

I am talking about him. I'm also talking about how you have lost objectivity with your stats. We aren't playing winning football. Does that figure into your analysis of our QB? He is contributing to losses with poor play and turnovers. You can't see that? Does that mean that the whole season, for him, has been a bust? No. He has won more than he has lost. But if you really think this is one of the greatest QB seasons in Cowboys history, I just don't see it, and I think you would have to be a HUGE Romo fan to think that.

But I'll give you this. Lets see how he does in the playoffs. I hope that by the end of the season I can eat my words and agree with you. Believe me, if he performs when it counts and we win games, you will see me gladly retract.

Right now, I just see crucial turnovers in the biggest games of the year. Great QB's play great in the biggest games.

 

[theogt]

I am talking about him. I'm also talking about how you have lost objectivity with your stats. We aren't playing winning football. Does that figure into your analysis of our QB? He is contributing to losses with poor play and turnovers. You can't see that? Does that mean that the whole season, for him, has been a bust? No. He has won more than he has lost. But if you really think this is one of the greatest QB seasons in Cowboys history, I just don't see it, and I think you would have to be a HUGE Romo fan to think that.

But I'll give you this. Lets see how he does in the playoffs. I hope that by the end of the season I can eat my words and agree with you. Believe me, if he performs when it counts and we win games, you will see me gladly retract.

Right now, I just see crucial turnovers in the biggest games of the year. Great QB's play great in the biggest games.

Nobody said he was one of the greatest QBs in Cowboys History. Great plays in great games? How about that 4th quarter drive to take the lead? How about that 4th quarter drive to come 1 yard from tying the game? Pretty darn good coming from an undrafted free agent who is in his first year starting.

I've lost all objectivity because I don't think he lost the game for us today? Wow, you're really stretching here. You can cherry pick all you want. The rest of us who are objective enough to see what really happened today know the real story.

Sorry I don't have time for this little name-calling back and forth with you. Headed out to the bar. Have a happy New Year.

 

[rcaldw]

Nobody said he was one of the greatest QBs in Cowboys History. Great plays in great games? How about that 4th quarter drive to take the lead? How about that 4th quarter drive to come 1 yard from tying the game? Pretty darn good coming from an undrafted free agent who is in his first year starting.

I've lost all objectivity because I don't think he lost the game for us today? Wow, you're really stretching here. You can cherry pick all you want. The rest of us who are objective enough to see what really happened today know the real story.

Sorry I don't have time for this little name-calling back and forth with you. Headed out to the bar. Have a happy New Year.

Name calling? hmmm. I can't see where I did that.

But, great plays don't equal great play. Great plays can be undone by crucial turnovers. Great plays plus crucial turnovers don't equal great play.

Without the 2 fumbles and the interception (along with the punt fumble) Detroit doesn't win today.