Ron Jaworski - "Cowboys seem to always be waiting for something negative to happen"

[iceberg]

Yet we're the blind homers. Or at least, I am.

now that i can't believe. i'm at every blind homer meeting and i never see you there!

 

[Chocolate Lab]

How do we know Tony Romo would get killed if Pat McQuistan got more playing time or that the defense would go to hell in a hand basket if Terence Newman sat for a while?

I believe this is exactly the mindset some of these players have. They know Wade Phillips doesn't have what it takes to call their bluff, take a chance on a lesser player to send the appropriate message.

It's just like in the real world, which most of us work. If you know you can do anything you want at work and there are no consequences, then your company isn't going to be as productive as it could be.

I'm sure you played... If you were on a team and the coach put in someone everybody knew was a lesser player, it wouldn't do much for team morale.

In fact, if a backup goes in and he gets beat over and over, then the vet has to go back in and if anything the whole "benching" action looks weaker.

Now if it's a case of a talented young guy being given a chance over a mediocre vet -- like if Jason Williams started getting snaps from Carpenter -- I could see that.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

you just need to stop with that silly talk. that type of honesty doesn't go well around here unless you follow it up with "but jones still sucks".

Nobody even said Jerry Jones sucks.

Of course when someone presents some ideas about what they think could be some problems with the team, you seem to want to pass it off as whining and moaning just for the sake of it.

I think by now we all understand that you are above the whining.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I'm sure you played... If you were on a team and the coach put in someone everybody knew was a lesser player, it wouldn't do much for team morale.

In fact, if a backup goes in and he gets beat over and over, then the vet has to go back in and if anything the whole "benching" action looks weaker.

Now if it's a case of a talented young guy being given a chance over a mediocre vet -- like if Jason Williams started getting snaps from Carpenter -- I could see that.

I agree you take a risk when you make a change like that, that is why you need someone that is confident to make that decision.

On the other hand, I believe it hurts morale for other players to see certain players constantly not pulling their weight or who seemingly can play mediocre with no consequences.

Keith Brooking supposedly saying he was thinking about picking a fight for the heck of it because he didn't like the intensity level of practice is telling.

 

[vta]

So you put Pat McQuistan at left tackle and possibly get Romo killed to show Flozell he shouldn't push Justin Tuck in the back?

No thanks.

I understand this perspective, but on the other hand, that's kind of the point of disciplining a player.

He's costing his team and now it's not just the coach doing the griping, it's your co-workers holding you accountable. And if that doesn't cause a player to step it up, then he doesn't belong here anyway.

I'm not referencing Flozell, because I don't have a problem with his actions, it's the guys screwing up. Fumbling, waffling in coverage etc...

 

[CF74]

I agree with Jaws to some degree.

I know avoiding turnovers is important but I miss the old playmaking Romo. The guy that even though it was 3rd & 17 you simply couldn't count out.

Does anyone else find it strange that Dallas coaches and Dallas opponents have the same strategy regarding Romo? Keep him in the pocket.

We are trying to make him while the opposition is trying to break him. We are slowly gaining ground. A good run game will save a qb that's struggling to find his way.

I understand that when you bench a starter, you are leaving your team vulnerable.

And keep in mind, I am not saying bench a guy for the entire Season or for an entire game.

But I believe Terence Newman should have been benched for pushing Dave Campo.

I also believe that Flozell Adams should sit out a quarter for penalties and fines.

Like Tom Coughlin did with some of his guys on defense. You ensure they get quite a bit of playing time but you yank them for a couple of plays or a quarter to send a message that mediocre play won't be tolerated.

Nobody on this roster is fearful of losing playing time.

Even benching them for 1 or 2 series would send a message.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I understand this perspective, but on the other hand, that's kind of the point of disciplining a player.

He's costing his team and now it's not just the coach doing the griping, it's your co-workers holding you accountable. And if that doesn't cause a player to step it up, then he doesn't belong here anyway.

I'm not referencing Flozell, because I don't have a problem with his actions, it's the guys screwing up. Fumbling, waffling in coverage etc...

That might be fine at some positions, but not at LT when you're putting your franchise QB at risk.

Why didn't Parcells ever bench Flo despite his false starts?

I'm not saying you guys are completely crazy, but I think everyone has this idea that all you have to do is hammer guys and they'll magically play better. And I don't believe that. For the most part we have pretty high-character guys who play hard. I don't see any Randy Mosses who are quitting on their team and need to be sent a message.

 

[Plankton]

I'm sure you played... If you were on a team and the coach put in someone everybody knew was a lesser player, it wouldn't do much for team morale.

I don't think the losing has done much for team morale, either. The bottom line is, accountability needs to be established. If it means moving Free to LT, putting in McQuistan as RT, benching Adams and using a TE to help one of the replacements out, that's what it means.

At some point in time, this needs to be done. In some cases, by doing it with a superior player, it sends a stronger message to the team.

In fact, if a backup goes in and he gets beat over and over, then the vet has to go back in and if anything the whole "benching" action looks weaker.

I agree with this, but this is why there needs to be help provided. If a player is being beat over and over, the team will get mad at the benched player for putting them in this position. This is where accountability comes in. For it to stick, I think the player needs to be benched for the rest of the game, barring injury.

Now if it's a case of a talented young guy being given a chance over a mediocre vet -- like if Jason Williams started getting snaps from Carpenter -- I could see that.

I would rather see someone like James get benched for Williams. Benching Carpenter doesn't send much of a message at all.

Hell, benching Nick Folk sends a stronger message than benching Carpenter.

 

[superpunk]

Yeah, you can sit your whiny WR or HB for a quarter to send a message, and really you could do it for any defender. I don't think you have those same options on the Oline or at QB, unless you've got a stud in the wings.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

No, I don't think you have to constantly hammer guys but if the team is starting to slide, I think you have to make some changes.

Bill Parcells benched a veteran Drew Bledsoe during the middle of a game against a Division Rival and replaced him with with a guy who had never taken a snap in the NFL.

None of these guys fear that.

As a matter of fact, if Wade Phillips told him he was going to start sitting guys, they may just laugh but not in his face.

 

[jobberone]

I understand that when you bench a starter, you are leaving your team vulnerable.

And keep in mind, I am not saying bench a guy for the entire Season or for an entire game.

But I believe Terence Newman should have been benched for pushing Dave Campo.

I also believe that Flozell Adams should sit out a quarter for penalties and fines.

Like Tom Coughlin did with some of his guys on defense. You ensure they get quite a bit of playing time but you yank them for a couple of plays or a quarter to send a message that mediocre play won't be tolerated.

Nobody on this roster is fearful of losing playing time.

I don't agree with a lot of the responses in this thread but I do this one.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

No, I don't think you have to constantly hammer guys but if the team is starting to slide, I think you have to make some changes.

Bill Parcells benched a veteran Drew Bledsoe during the middle of a game against a Division Rival and replaced him with with a guy who had never taken a snap in the NFL.

None of these guys fear that.

As a matter of fact, if Wade Phillips told him he was going to start sitting guys, they may just laugh but not in his face.

And why did he bench him? It wasn't to punish Bledsoe. It was because he had someone he thought could do a better job. That's the difference.

But I guess we should do like Tomlin and make a big production out of making a bunch of changes... Then lose to the Browns.

 

[Plankton]

And why did he bench him? It wasn't to punish Bledsoe. It was because he had someone he thought could do a better job. That's the difference.

But I guess we should do like Tomlin and make a big production out of making a bunch of changes... Then lose to the Browns.

It can be done without having a press conference to mention it.

 

[Alexander]

Bill Parcells benched a veteran Drew Bledsoe during the middle of a game against a Division Rival and replaced him with with a guy who had never taken a snap in the NFL.

Are you referring to Romo?

You might have forgotten, he got mop up duty against the Texans prior to the Giants game as was impressive.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

And why did he bench him? It wasn't to punish Bledsoe. It was because he had someone he thought could do a better job. That's the difference.

But I guess we should do like Tomlin and make a big production out of making a bunch of changes... Then lose to the Browns.

Or not make any changes and go 0-2 in December and stare 0-3 in December right in the face?

So the question remains, what do you when certain players that do contribute to the team continue to make the same mistakes and just don't seem to be getting the message?

Heck, maybe even go after someone that isn't as valuable to the team.

 

[THUMPER]

its gonna take a coach that instills confidence in the team, not one that looks like he doesnt know whats going on half the time

Like Bill Parcells! Oh wait... :bang2:

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Are you referring to Romo?

You might have forgotten, he got mop up duty against the Texans prior to the Giants game as was impressive.

You know what I mean. He didn't have much experience.

And Drew Henson looked good against the Ravens in mop up duty, so playing well in mop up duty doesn't mean you will go on to be successful.

 

[Alexander]

You know what I mean. He didn't have much experience.

Well, when you said never took a snap, that is a little more specific.

 

[superpunk]

You can't bench Flo and put in McQuistan. Just drop it.

 

[THUMPER]

And why did he bench him? It wasn't to punish Bledsoe. It was because he had someone he thought could do a better job. That's the difference.

But I guess we should do like Tomlin and make a big production out of making a bunch of changes... Then lose to the Browns.

If I would have been drinking my coffee when I read this it would have shot out of my nose! That was awesome because it is true!