Root of the Rico argument

CowboysFaninHouston said:
he was just another NFL whoore to NE, they have Brady, Bilicheck and they bring on and dump players and continue to win..... Marty was just lucky to be there and collect a superbowl ring...they quickly dumped him before he became a headache....
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Very lucky. He played 7 games and under 300 yards, zero TDs.
 
waldoputty said:
garrett did do a good job architecting the ol first approach, and most give him credit for that. however, that means he belongs in the front office. by your words, no one would have any right question any nf coach because god knows, any nfl coach would be more experience than 99.999% of the people on cz.

nevermind the timekeeping errors that repeated with no clear attempt to remedy them. or the formations where 99% of the plays would be rushing or other formations where 95% would be passing. smart coaches dont do that. garrett and his oc do.

my number 1 concern with garrett / rico is that rico is being screwed by garrett because garrett is taking revenge / making an example out of him. that has nothing to do with recognizing talent. that has to do with garrett trying to do everything to hold on to his job. or another words - the slime bag puts his personal interest ahead of the team's interest - in an almost blatant way to fans would even see it.
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Tinfoil hat? This is quite the stretch. Hard to take you remotely serious.
 
waldoputty said:
myth - thought u would be going there - you just hate the idea rico is talented and could succeed that u claim good new as myths. 3 minutes on google showed lots of links.
there is a lot more that was discussed here on cz, but you have to google it yourself. oh and there is one video

landry hat quoting broaddus - https://thelandryhat.com/2017/01/27/cowboys-rico-gathers-tony-romos-weapon/

“I will say this. I had people come up to me and say, cause I was always curious about Rico [Gathers], I had people come up to me and say ‘You ought-of seen what [Tony] Romo did with him today,” football analyst Bryan Broaddus remarked during an episode of The Draft Show this week. “Cause Romo was with him on scout team. And Romo just kept throwing him the ball because he was so much bigger. He was battling [Barry] Church, he’s battling [Byron] Jones, he’s battling [J.J.] Wilcox and [Jeff] Heath. The kid just kept making plays. The problem is not the athletic ability, it’s the mental side…he just hasn’t played football”

from foxsports - https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story...eakout-prospect-tight-end-rico-gathers-022217
According to DallasCowboys.com writer and former NFL scout Bryan Broaddus, Gathers is a player to keep an eye on this season:

I wouldn’t be one bit surprised if Rico Gathers was the player on this roster that makes the biggest jump contribution wise from last season to next season. One of the best things to happen to Gathers was that he had the opportunity to work with Tony Romo. Folks that I had the chance to visit with after the season told me Gathers wore the defense out during these practices.


Bryan Broaddus

✔@BryanBroaddus
Romo wore the defense out with him on scout team. https://twitter.com/nickcrsen/status/833504512866447365 …

7:33 PM - Feb 19, 2017
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why would I hate the idea of Rico being talented? I would love for him to be all that. I would love to have the next HOF TE on the team. that would make the cowboys great, so why would I be against him being any good? makes ZERO sense...ZERO logic...but .I just don't see it...on the other hand, you have fallen in love with Rico and have trouble coming to terms or even accepting the possibility that he may not be any good, as all your arguments have been about how great and I quote "amazing" he has been.

I have read all the news.... and sorry, I also read a lot of bad not so good news about him...google it and don't be biased into ignoring the negative.

so here are the quotes in the article and parts you totally ignored because they don't excite you nor feed your myth

".....Despite the long odds, former Baylor basketball star Rico Gathers attempted just that, declaring himself eligible during last year’s NFL Draft. Despite not having played football since the eighth grade, the Dallas Cowboys saw enough potential in Gathers to selected him with their final pick in the sixth round, 217th overall. ..."

they saw potential...not a football player....

"...The very definition of a developmental player, the 6-6, 273 pound Gathers is a tremendous athlete for his size. ..."


and to your favorite part.

"....“I will say this. I had people come up to me and say, cause I was always curious about Rico [Gathers], I had people come up to me and say ‘You ought-of seen what [Tony] Romo did with him today,” football analyst Bryan Broaddus remarked during an episode of The Draft Show this week. “Cause Romo was with him on scout team. And Romo just kept throwing him the ball because he was so much bigger. He was battling [Barry] Church, he’s battling [Byron] Jones, he’s battling [J.J.] Wilcox and [Jeff] Heath. The kid just kept making plays. The problem is not the athletic ability, it’s the mental side…he just hasn’t played football”

the last part is what has been argued all along.....not the athletic ability but the mental part...running with scout team in half speed practices vs. playing in a real football game at full speed and again I repeat as the article did.....the mental side of the game....and again, the argument..... he is behind in mental aspects of the game...athletic ability only takes you so far

and the last line from the article.

".....Broaddus went on to talk about how much Romo just lit Gathers up, as the veteran quarterback surely enjoyed playing with such a large, athletic target. But the former scout also warned that the still raw prospect will likely not be ready to step up and play a major role in 2017. ....."

you have ignored everything else in the article but the one line that suits your argument, where the entirety of the article pointed to him being raw, not ready to contribute and not an NFL player yet....

so back then all the assessment were correct. has potential. flashed a few things. needs to learn football...

fast forward three years...has potential, flashed a few things..still needs to learn football...which just shows he is not an NFL TE....specially if all he can do is a fade catch in the endzone, easily negated....
 
kevm3 said:
Rico must have criticized this coaching staff and is getting iced out. Even if he can't run these complex routes or whatever is the criticism against him, what he has shown as an offensive playmaker is far beyond the other TEs on the roster. Rico needs to be on that playing field.
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wow....there is absolutely no possibility that rico sucks!!! it has to be some conspiracy petty theory because God knows this coaching staff doesn't want the team to succeed and is hell bent on screwing them up...
 
waldoputty said:
i would expect many at cz would recall rico/romo connections against the 1st team.
u can look it up yourself.
if rico wins 50% of the time against a press by a player that weighs 30-80lbs less than him, he would be very difficult to stop in the red zone. 30-80lbs is a huge advantage when someone is trying to knock him off his route. it is just simple physics.
everyone including even garrett said rico needs reps. and yet he does not get those reps.
dez on the fade is a well-known dez play in the red zone. if u r a fan, u should know that.
rico catches against 250lb in tight coverage on top. just watch the preseason games in 2017.
catch radius is a well-known parameter, and he has it in spades vs short-arm schultz. that is a big advantage in tight coverage, and u should know that.

u have not provided a shred of new info other than basically - i know better.

u have basically invested urself in his failure.

i hate garrett plenty, but it is based on his horrible offensive plans, horrible game management.
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you assume he can win 50% of the time...IMO if he plays against 1st stringers, chances are he may win 5% of the time and that would be at the very best.

he needs reps...yes...but he needs to also show improvement.... he really hasn't improved to a point, that he garners this much attention....

I know dez did the fade...but if you are a fan, you should know dez did a lot more than just a fade...if you don't I would be highly disappointed.....

Rico made plays against inferior competition..... a guy who hasn't been in football since 8th grade....playing against 1st and 2nd round picks who played football in high school and college..... you are dissing some high level talent and you are perpetuating a myth...its painfully obvious that your view of how NFL works and football in general is very madden like and very simplistic

again, aquan boldin, smith, Beasley, Austin all smallish WRs, with small catch radius and two were highly highly successful in the NFL. why? because they knew how to play football. if physical attributes were all that important and I am not saying they are not, every Olympic sprinter and has been college forward would be an NFL weapon...and if you haven't noticed...they are not.

and on the contrary I have given you every piece of information and logic necessary with proven examples from past and present players...yet you cling to catch radius and fade routes as your only go to logic...you failed misreably
 
BoysfaninVegas said:
The legend isn't growing but the excuses seem to be. I saw a post earlier saying that Rico should start because he has longer arms.

It's coming down to measurements now.

What are they going to measure next? :muttley:
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I know the poster...his claim is that his catch radius is so large that no other NFL player will be able to stop him.....and all he has to do is run fade routes in the redzone and 3rd downs and he will dominate....Jaylon smith's of the NFL be damned.... they are nothing but toys to Rico
 
waldoputty said:
sure
rico at a high school level learning nuances of the game, but kicking the butt of the 1st dbs.
but it is only practice.
wow how sorry are byron jones and others.
yet mcclay saying "we cant stop him" - rico with the high school level brain.
if only the other tight-ends would be unstoppable in practice.
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when did he beat 1st string DBs.... we have yet to see that?

my god you are way out of control, one article and now you are sewing his HOF jacket....yet ignore the 100s of other articles that say he sucks...
 
waldoputty said:
if we had a competent coach, there would not be much argument if the head coach said a player is lacking

however, we have garrett, who many do not trust.
if we had a coach like belicheat, i suspect most will take the coach at his word about the worth of players.

unfortunately the best argument is garrett's self-preservation.
what if another team picks rico up and he balls out.
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Garrett certainly has his flaws, but (A) it isn't just Garrett and Garrett alone deciding on Rico, and (B) he doesn't have a record of releasing players before they ever make the 53 man roster that prove to be high quality players elsewhere.

The reality is the worst coach in the NFL can tell if a guy is short on the knowledge and instincts he needs, and it really doesn't make sense to act as if Garrett doesn't have enough understanding of the game and players to do that. Again, he definitely has flaws, but he isn't a junior high history teacher being forced to coach football.
 
OmerV said:
Garrett certainly has his flaws, but (A) it isn't just Garrett and Garrett alone deciding on Rico, and (B) he doesn't have a record of releasing players before they ever make the 53 man roster that prove to be high quality players elsewhere.

The reality is the worst coach in the NFL can tell if a guy is short on the knowledge and instincts he needs, and it really doesn't make sense to act as if Garrett doesn't have enough understanding of the game and players to do that. Again, he definitely has flaws, but he isn't a junior high history teacher being forced to coach football.
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you don't understand, he is 6'6" and 280 and runs 4.8 and has a wide catch radius....he has to be a good TE and if not, the coaches failed...all of them. for 3 years. he is a HOF quality player that is being held back because of coaches and fans on this board wanting him to fail because they care more about rico failing than cowboys succeeding...come on you get it :facepalm:
 
Streetwise said:
You have trouble with reading comprehension. Let me assist you.
I have posted numerous times I hope that Gathers pans out, but he just has not.
I couldn't possibly care less about passes he got from Romo, how is that even relevant now? How many years was that? And we're still talking training camp.
Waaaaa, he's not getting his fair share.. Why do you think that is? Because he's not learning the position.

Keep throwing words in my mouth, especially the childish dig that I'm "invested in his failure." Grow up and accept other opinion other than your fantasy viewpoint.
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gee, you just said in #304 that "So what? It's preseason vs scrubs. He hasn't even ran with the starters."

now i took the trouble to dig up what mcclay said about rico going against 1st teamers - and "we can't stop him"

players dont forget how to be "unstoppable" unless they have an injury.
you clearly have invested too much in this but try to have some intellectual honesty.
 
waldoputty said:
gee, you just said in #304 that "So what? It's preseason vs scrubs. He hasn't even ran with the starters."

now i took the trouble to dig up what mcclay said about rico going against 1st teamers - and "we can't stop him"

players dont forget how to be "unstoppable" unless they have an injury.
you clearly have invested too much in this but try to have some intellectual honesty.
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Dude, are you insane? That was LAST YEAR!

You have to let it go man.
 
waldoputty said:
gee, you just said in #304 that "So what? It's preseason vs scrubs. He hasn't even ran with the starters."

now i took the trouble to dig up what mcclay said about rico going against 1st teamers - and "we can't stop him"

players dont forget how to be "unstoppable" unless they have an injury.
you clearly have invested too much in this but try to have some intellectual honesty.
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so a comment from 3 years ago is the case for Rico vs. now three years of observation...and its not like they have never talked any player up and those players fizzled...yeah, no precedence for that ever.
 
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