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Time to get down to brass tacks on the draft. If Kyle Pitts is available at the 10 spot then Jerry will definitely take him. This does not preclude Dallas from moving back into the 1st round with 2022 picks. For those that say Pitts in no way would be there at 10, just remember last year, heck any year when no one believes a guy will fall.

And if Sewell is there at 10 then expect Dallas to trade down with the Chargers so Herbert gets his college blindside protector. Cost? Expect it to be the 13th and 47th picks. Dallas would still get Horn at 13.

It appears that Quinn will be heavily involved in the D picks and will most likely over rule the scouts. They will be guys that Quinn believes are right for his defense. Expect a couple of DTs like McNeil and Wilson, Lbs on the lighter side but fast and great tacklers, DEs that have great length and speed and a free safety that can cover like a corner.

If Dallas can come away with 3 starters and 3 good depth guys, it will be a successful draft. Just quit believing the mock drafts and so called experts because they are at most guessing what Dallas will do and hardly ever take into effect what Dallas has already on the roster.

Take the OL as an example. The kid from Mexico is now expected to be a good to great OT. Steele is very much liked by the coaches to be a very good interior OL and Knight looking to be a more than capable RT. Doesn't mean we won't draft OL but it isn't devoid of capable guys.

Also expect Dallas to sign 2 or 3 free agents after the draft like a Sherman or Wright or Richardson or Hooker. It will all depend on how the draft falls for us.
 
Actually the roster is not in bad shape, but not great either. But better than most think.
We can have some decent depth, if the FA's work out this time. And get a few starters, or soon to be starters in the draft.

They positioned themselves for BPA again, as they have needs pretty much across the board. CB, S, LB being the most in need. I know many feel OL is up there also. I am one that does not feel it is an immediate need. Same with TE, however if Pitts is there you can't pass on him. Just as if Sewell is there, I don't think I would complain, depending what CB is there.
However if both or all 3, then trade down no lower than 15.

A lot of options sitting at #10 as the top 9 will be QB heavy drafted. I really hope a few QB's are sitting there at 10, and some team offers multiple #1's.
 
Sandyf said:
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And if Sewell is there at 10 then expect Dallas to trade down with the Chargers so Herbert gets his college blindside protector. Cost? Expect it to be the 13th and 47th picks. Dallas would still get Horn at 13.

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I'm sorry and don't mean any real disrespect here but.....

The idea that the Chargers would give Dallas 13 and 47 to move up 3 spots (150 pts) is just preposterous.
Literally impossible. Never, ever has happened nor would happen.
Honestly, 13 and 77 would probably still be too much, let alone 13 and 47.

For starters, Dallas would probably just run to the podium and take Sewell

But if they traded to 13, this is more likely the trade

  • Dallas gets 13 and 77
  • LAC get 10 and 138...and maybe 192 as well
 
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jazzcat22 said:
Actually the roster is not in bad shape, but not great either. But better than most think.
We can have some decent depth, if the FA's work out this time. And get a few starters, or soon to be starters in the draft.

They positioned themselves for BPA again, as they have needs pretty much across the board. CB, S, LB being the most in need. I know many feel OL is up there also. I am one that does not feel it is an immediate need. Same with TE, however if Pitts is there you can't pass on him. Just as if Sewell is there, I don't think I would complain, depending what CB is there.
However if both or all 3, then trade down no lower than 15.

A lot of options sitting at #10 as the top 9 will be QB heavy drafted. I really hope a few QB's are sitting there at 10, and some team offers multiple #1's.
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Always recency bias. In a down year the roster is terrible, and when we have have good season there are hardly any holes. You're correct.
 
Sandyf said:
Time to get down to brass tacks on the draft. If Kyle Pitts is available at the 10 spot then Jerry will definitely take him. This does not preclude Dallas from moving back into the 1st round with 2022 picks. For those that say Pitts in no way would be there at 10, just remember last year, heck any year when no one believes a guy will fall.

And if Sewell is there at 10 then expect Dallas to trade down with the Chargers so Herbert gets his college blindside protector. Cost? Expect it to be the 13th and 47th picks. Dallas would still get Horn at 13.

It appears that Quinn will be heavily involved in the D picks and will most likely over rule the scouts. They will be guys that Quinn believes are right for his defense. Expect a couple of DTs like McNeil and Wilson, Lbs on the lighter side but fast and great tacklers, DEs that have great length and speed and a free safety that can cover like a corner.

If Dallas can come away with 3 starters and 3 good depth guys, it will be a successful draft. Just quit believing the mock drafts and so called experts because they are at most guessing what Dallas will do and hardly ever take into effect what Dallas has already on the roster.

Take the OL as an example. The kid from Mexico is now expected to be a good to great OT. Steele is very much liked by the coaches to be a very good interior OL and Knight looking to be a more than capable RT. Doesn't mean we won't draft OL but it isn't devoid of capable guys.

Also expect Dallas to sign 2 or 3 free agents after the draft like a Sherman or Wright or Richardson or Hooker. It will all depend on how the draft falls for us.
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I'm all for your scenario with LA, but I think Sewell is on the list with Pitts as the two that they would take without entertaining a deal.

Three starters and three contributors out of any draft is a grand slam, and unlikely in any draft....let alone this particular one, which is weak overall.

For that same reason I can't be dealing next years picks to go all in on this draft.

I think you may be a tad optimistic on Mexico also.
 
Sandyf said:
The kid from Mexico is now expected to be a good to great OT.
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DFWJC said:
I'm sorry and don't mean any real disrespect here but.....

The idea that the Chargers would give Dallas 13 and 47 to move up 3 spots (150 pts) is just preposterous.
Literally impossible. Never, ever has happened nor would happen.
Honestly, 13 and 77 would probably still be too much, let alone 13 and 47.

For starters, Dallas would probably just run to the podium and take Sewell

But if they traded to 13, this is more likely the trade

  • Dallas gets 13 and 77
  • LAC get 10 and 138...and maybe 192 as well
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Cleveland gave Detroit its second rounder to move from 7 to 6 to select Winslow Jr.

HAD to have THAT guy! "Matchup nightmare" at TE....son of the greatest TE of all time. No one can cover him!! Guaranteed HOF player.
 
DFWJC said:
I'm sorry and don't mean any real disrespect here but.....

The idea that the Chargers would give Dallas 13 and 47 to move up 3 spots (150 pts) is just preposterous.
Literally impossible. Never, ever has happened nor would happen.
Honestly, 13 and 77 would probably still be too much, let alone 13 and 47.

For starters, Dallas would probably just run to the podium and take Sewell

But if they traded to 13, this is more likely the trade

  • Dallas gets 13 and 77
  • LAC get 10 and 138...and maybe 192 as well
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No way I take less than the Chargers’ 2nd round pick to swap 1st rd picks with Sewell on the board. I don’t care what Jimmy’s draft chart says or history. Pay a premium or I take Sewell or trade with someone else.

Moving down 3 spots in the 1st round does little for me to just get a third. I have what, 10 picks in the draft. 10 players aren’t making the team. Need to ditch some of these picks and move up in some rounds.
 
fivetwos said:
Cleveland gave Detroit its second rounder to move from 7 to 6 to select Winslow Jr.

HAD to have THAT guy! "Matchup nightmare" at TE....son of the greatest TE of all time. No one can cover him!! Guaranteed HOF player.
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And passed on Rothlisberger if I remember correctly.
 
fivetwos said:
Cleveland gave Detroit its second rounder to move from 7 to 6 to select Winslow Jr.

HAD to have THAT guy! "Matchup nightmare" at TE....son of the greatest TE of all time. No one can cover him!! Guaranteed HOF player.
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:clap::laugh:Good one!

My study only went back "only" 15 years and you found one 17 years ago.
You got me!

So, in the last 15 years, it has never happened.
But 17 years ago it actually did happen once! We are talking Cleveland in 2004...possibly the worst-run organization in the history of sports at the time.

But you are right.
Amazing.

So odds are 99.5% that is won't happen, but there is that 0.5% chance it could.
 
ninja said:
No way I take less than the Chargers’ 2nd round pick to swap 1st rd picks with Sewell on the board. I don’t care what Jimmy’s draft chart says or history. Pay a premium or I take Sewell or trade with someone else.

Moving down 3 spots in the 1st round does little for me to just get a third. I have what, 10 picks in the draft. 10 players aren’t making the team. Need to ditch some of these picks and move up in some rounds.
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That's fine and is why most trade proposals never become trades.

All that means is that the trade for sure would not occur....which is fine.
You're not getting a 2nd in that situation, but you ARE getting to keep Sewell!

Fwiw, Obviously, if LAC wanted Swell so much they'd pay 13 and 47....then they make this offer beginning at pick 6 and maybe even 7. After that, they start offering less, as that organization isn't run by idiots.

Works for me....would love to have Sewell.
 
DFWJC said:
:clap::laugh:Good one!

My study only went back "only" 15 years and you found one 17 years ago.
You got me!

So, in the last 15 years, it has never happened.
But 17 years ago it actually did happen once! We are talking Cleveland in 2004...possibly the worst-run organization in the history of sports at the time.

But you are right.
Amazing.

So odds are 99.5% that is won't happen, but there is that 0.5% chance it could.
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I do think I'd expect to get their second if Sewell is on the board and they called me.

They actually shouldn't not go up for Sewell just to retain that extra pick. Maybe ask for a 4th in return also, but teams are giving up massive packages to get where they want to be.

I now realize that the Detroit Lions were involved in yet another top 10 TE in history with the Winslow thing.

They also drafted the last two uncoverable matchup nightmares top 10....TJ Hockensen and Eric Ebron.

They are in a reasonably ok position to have a shot at Pitts also.

The Detroit Lions that is....fingerprints all over top 10 tight ends.

Didn't they take a WR three years in a row top 5 or something like that?
 
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