Roster and draft

[blueblood70]

I do think I'd expect to get their second if Sewell is on the board and they called me.

They actually shouldn't not go up for Sewell just to retain that extra pick. Maybe ask for a 4th in return also, but teams are giving up massive packages to get where they want to be.

I now realize that the Detroit Lions were involved in yet another top 10 TE in history with the Winslow thing.

They also drafted the last two uncoverable matchup nightmares top 10....TJ Hockensen and Eric Ebron.

They are in a reasonably ok position to have a shot at Pitts also.

The Detroit Lions that is....fingerprints all over top 10 tight ends.

Didn't they take a WR three years in a row top 5 or something like that?

but Megatron worked out and well Pitts is a close comp to Pitts..even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in while..those saying teams dont over[pay tp move up havent paid close attention, desperation breed's ignorance and many time throughout history theres been some ridiculous trades in the draft heck this offseason we ve seen it with QBs switching teams and teams paying hefty prices to get rid of bad contracts etc..that in itself lead se to believe it only takes one sucker to make it worth trading out of 10..

 

[fivetwos]

And passed on Rothlisberger if I remember correctly.

Yeah I guess that was the year with all the QBs.

Franchise HOF left tackle Robert Gallery was taken high by Oakland in that draft. Can't miss. Safe pick.

It's truly nuts how many of these guys don't end up being what's expected.

 

[DFWJC]

I do think I'd expect to get their second if Sewell is on the board and they called me.

They actually shouldn't not go up for Sewell just to retain that extra pick. Maybe ask for a 4th in return also, but teams are giving up massive packages to get where they want to be.

I now realize that the Detroit Lions were involved in yet another top 10 TE in history with the Winslow thing.

They also drafted the last two uncoverable matchup nightmares top 10....TJ Hockensen and Eric Ebron.

They are in a reasonably ok position to have a shot at Pitts also.

The Detroit Lions that is....fingerprints all over top 10 tight ends.

Didn't they take a WR three years in a row top 5 or something like that?

It's all theoretical.

I'm saying you would never get 13 and 47 for 10 from the Chargers
Just no way....imo, of course...and according to every trade in the last 15 years.

And no, teams are NOT paying massive packages for trade-ups.....at least not by the trade charts.
If anything, many are underpaying.

Look, it's fine if we disagree.
I would love for Sewell to be there and us have that trade offer at least as an option

 

[Typhus]

No way I take less than the Chargers’ 2nd round pick to swap 1st rd picks with Sewell on the board. I don’t care what Jimmy’s draft chart says or history. Pay a premium or I take Sewell or trade with someone else.

Moving down 3 spots in the 1st round does little for me to just get a third. I have what, 10 picks in the draft. 10 players aren’t making the team. Need to ditch some of these picks and move up in some rounds.

No doubt, value charts can be dismissed when there is a potential Blue Chip caliber prospect available, and analysts can argue till the cows come home over what qualifies one as a blue chip prospect.
If any potential considered Blue Chip prospect should happen to be sitting at 10 still, than you do as you say,,, draft him or exploit the hell out of another teams knee jerk reaction and trade down and take them for everything you can get.

 

[fivetwos]

but Megatron worked out and well Pitts is a close comp to Pitts..even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in while..those saying teams dont over[pay tp move up havent paid close attention, desperation breed's ignorance and many time throughout history theres been some ridiculous trades in the draft heck this offseason we ve seen it with QBs switching teams and teams paying hefty prices to get rid of bad contracts etc..that in itself lead se to believe it only takes one sucker to make it worth trading out of 10..

I'm with ya. Just using Detroits futility on the field against their draft strategies.

Typically, a team picking in the top 10 has needs that go way beyond what a TE can fix, and thats definitely been the case with them each time they decided to go that route.

Pitts may very well be a great TE, but he needs to be in the right situation.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

That's fine and is why most trade proposals never become trades.

All that means is that the trade for sure would not occur....which is fine.
You're not getting a 2nd in that situation, but you ARE getting to keep Sewell!

Fwiw, Obviously, if LAC wanted Swell so much they'd pay 13 and 47....then they make this offer beginning at pick 6 and maybe even 7. After that, they start offering less, as that organization isn't run by idiots.

Works for me....would love to have Sewell.

Yes, the Chargers have already contacted teams starting with pick #4. So have all the other teams. The market determines the price. Sometimes one has to overpay to get something. I lost out on a house because I wouldn’t overpay. Turns out the house is worth even more now. I should have overpaid at the time. My mistake.

If Sewell is so good, giving up pick #47 is nothing in the long run.

We shall see. Like you say, I’m happy with Sewell.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

I'm with ya. Just using Detroits futility on the field against their draft strategies.

Typically, a team picking in the top 10 has needs that go way beyond what a TE can fix, and thats definitely been the case with them each time they decided to go that route.

Pitts may very well be a great TE, but he needs to be in the right situation.

Detroit’s head coach is a former TE. He is taking Pitts if he is on the board in my opinion. It’s a TE love and respect thing.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Yeah I guess that was the year with all the QBs.

Franchise HOF left tackle Robert Gallery was taken high by Oakland in that draft. Can't miss. Safe pick.

It's truly nuts how many of these guys don't end up being what's expected.

Robert Gallery? A blast from the past. I still remember that name. Took me a while to recall, though.

 

[fivetwos]

It's all theoretical.

I'm saying you would never get 13 and 47 for 10 from the Chargers
Just no way....imo, of course...and according to every trade in the last 15 years.

And no, teams are NOT paying massive packages for trade-ups.....at least not by the trade charts.
If anything, many are underpaying.

Look, it's fine if we disagree.
I would love for Sewell to be there and us have that trade offer at least as an option

Yep all good.

It did seem as though Miami paid a nice price to go from 12 to 6. Future first plus no?

I guess a future first up against this year's second is the same thing....but yeah, I guess it depends on the situation.

Let's say Sewell is there. LA calls and ask what it would take. Jerry says we want pick 13 and 47 or we just take Sewell ourselves.

LA has a choice to make, but one would think a 2nd rounder is a small price to pay for a franchise LT.

Thinking about it, we made a deal with KC to go downward when we drafted Roy Williams. I think we went from 6 to 8 and the cost was a third.

I don't really look much at those charts, but I guess they are reasonably accurate.

Again though, depends how badly a team wants a player.

 

[DFWJC]

Yes, the Chargers have already contacted teams starting with pick #4. So have all the other teams. The market determines the price. Sometimes one has to overpay to get something. I lost out on a house because I wouldn’t overpay. Turns out the house is worth even more now. I should have overpaid at the time. My mistake.

If Sewell is so good, giving up pick #47 is nothing in the long run.

We shall see. Like you say, I’m happy with Sewell.

Honestly not sure they would even give us 77 ...maybe 50-50 chance.
47? I will say <1% chance.
But whatever.

Sewell would love to play with his old QB, but word is that LAC likes several OTs in this draft....including Sewell.

Anyway, all make-believe.
The only thing that is fact is that not one team has overpaid that much in 17 years.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Honestly not sure they would even give us 77 ...maybe 50-50 chance.
47? I will say <1% chance.
But whatever.

Sewell would love to play with his old QB, but word is that LAC likes several OTs in this draft....including Sewell.

Anyway, all make-believe.
The only thing that is fact is that not one team has overpaid that much in 17 years.

And every team wishes they would have overpaid for certain players in hindsight. Shoulda, coulda, woulda ...

 

[DFWJC]

Yep all good.

It did seem as though Miami paid a nice price to go from 12 to 6. Future first plus no?

I guess a future first up against this year's second is the same thing....but yeah, I guess it depends on the situation.

Let's say Sewell is there. LA calls and ask what it would take. Jerry says we want pick 13 and 47 or we just take Sewell ourselves.

LA has a choice to make, but one would think a 2nd rounder is a small price to pay for a franchise LT.

Thinking about it, we made a deal with KC to go downward when we drafted Roy Williams. I think we went from 6 to 8 and the cost was a third.

I don't really look much at those charts, but I guess they are reasonably accurate.

Again though, depends how badly a team wants a player.

You really should look at the charts
It's mind-blowing how much the GMs stick to them...especially in the last 10-15 years.
Drafting has gotten way more analytical.
If we have to go back 15-20 years just to find an example, it is just not valid at all for today.

You can predict the trades, give or take a few 5th or 6th round throw-ins, all the time.
If current players are involved, all bets are off. Also trades in the top 3 picks of the draft can get wierd, but even then are usually close.

Almost every trade is within 95% accurate...or 5% difference in what the two teams pay

The trade you mentioned above was with Miami and Philly was in that 3-5% range, but you are right that Miami was the team that very slightly overpaid (by 3-5% depending on how you value the future 1st)

Your Roy Willaims example was almost an exact match 1615 for 1600 or 99% accruate.

 

[Flamma]

IMO Dallas has to take care of the LOS first. Dallas can draft Pitts and if our offensive line is shaky it won't matter a bit. The last time they had a really solid OL was back when Dak was a rookie in 2016. Even when Dez was injured the Cowboys didn't skip a beat. And who did we have to throw to? Beasley? An aging Witten, and Terrance! Cowboys went 13-3. Could have been 14-2 had they not thrown that last game away. Solidify the offensive line.

Those of you that remember my opinion, I'm not the biggest Dak fan. But I think he's a good QB. Give him a good OL and he can play. He won't make horrible decisions like Winston and Fitzpatrick under pressure. He's done it before.

 

[DFWJC]

And every team wishes they would have overpaid for certain players in hindsight. Shoulda, coulda, woulda ...

No doubt.
But on draft day, they don't know for sure what the player will become and they do not do it.
If we knew Brady would be Brady (or 200 other examples) every team regrets not taking him.
Even Philly last year, passing on Jefferson and taking Reagor.

 

[Sandyf]

Who told you the kid from Mexico was going to be good to great?

Tyrone Smith and his trainer

 

[Sandyf]

I'm sorry and don't mean any real disrespect here but.....

The idea that the Chargers would give Dallas 13 and 47 to move up 3 spots (150 pts) is just preposterous.
Literally impossible. Never, ever has happened nor would happen.
Honestly, 13 and 77 would probably still be too much, let alone 13 and 47.

For starters, Dallas would probably just run to the podium and take Sewell

But if they traded to 13, this is more likely the trade

• Dallas gets 13 and 77
• LAC get 10 and 138...and maybe 192 as well

Respect the opinion just disagree. As to cost, you just never know as there are always overpays depending on what goes down. Heck the rumored trade with Lions and Chargers is 7 for 13. 77 1st and 3rd in 2022 for Sewell

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I'm sorry and don't mean any real disrespect here but.....

The idea that the Chargers would give Dallas 13 and 47 to move up 3 spots (150 pts) is just preposterous.
Literally impossible. Never, ever has happened nor would happen.
Honestly, 13 and 77 would probably still be too much, let alone 13 and 47.

For starters, Dallas would probably just run to the podium and take Sewell

But if they traded to 13, this is more likely the trade

• Dallas gets 13 and 77
• LAC get 10 and 138...and maybe 192 as well

Unless its for a QB I agree, no team will pay a 2nd to move up 3 spots

 

[Hardline]

Tyrone Smith and his trainer

No

 

[DFWJC]

Respect the opinion just disagree. As to cost, you just never know as there are always overpays depending on what goes down. Heck the rumored trade with Lions and Chargers is 7 for 13. 77 1st and 3rd in 2022 for Sewell

I hear you....but I DO know. At least for the last 15 years, that is. The data is there. I'm not talking feelings or theory here, I am talking actual facts on how it has gone for a very long time.
People keep saying there are overpays, but I'm telling you there are not ...at least not big overpay like we are describing.

That trade is a rumor
I bet almost certainly there are pieces left out of that theoretical trade and that the Chargers would also get pick 50 or something close in value.

OR, that trade is to move up to 4, not 7.

Hey Sandy, I would never say 100% one way or the other...anything can happen.

And look, if that rumored trade actually happens, then we'll have our first one like since 2004! Never say never, I guess.

 

[Verdict]

No way I take less than the Chargers’ 2nd round pick to swap 1st rd picks with Sewell on the board. I don’t care what Jimmy’s draft chart says or history. Pay a premium or I take Sewell or trade with someone else.

Moving down 3 spots in the 1st round does little for me to just get a third. I have what, 10 picks in the draft. 10 players aren’t making the team. Need to ditch some of these picks and move up in some rounds.

There you go. You rape them or you don’t make the trade.