RotoWorld Ranks GMs

[Idgit]

I heard the argument today that he is at least middle of the pack because he hasn't had a losing record in 3 seasons.

Lol. That's not a bad argument, if we're going off of things that can actually be measured.

I don't care about the rankings, per sec. I just think the description of his (mostly) weaknesses was fairly accurate. Ranking GMs--with all the factors out there that affect a team's performance--is kind of pointless in my book. It only matters if the GM is good enough to field a championship team in a relatively short time frame, or not. In today's NFL, with Jerry, he's obviously not been able to do that. This means that the organization has to coach and the players have to play over and around that limitation if we're going to win anything under Jerry's current leadership (note: I'm not arguing anything at all about Jerry's role in the 90's. As far as I'm concerned, he was in the chair when we won, and those go on his resume as a result. I only care about his ability, or inability, to do that again in the current environment).

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

So because he hired Bill Parcells he's still a bad GM? Most GM's get some points for hiring good coaches, even tho BP was past his prime it was still a good hire by the GM of the Cowboys. Bill had input but didn't build that team.

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then. NO GOOD GM would have hired Chan Gailey or Dave Campo. W/o mentioning the others, the Campo hire and 3 years of allowing 5-11 records negates any possible good GMing one could argue for in hiring Parcells.

 

[burmafrd]

is there any other GM that has lasted longer without getting to a Championship game? 18 years and counting?

Better yet you show me a GM that lasted more than 5 years without even winning a single playoff game.

1997-2009. 12 years. and now 4 years without even getting to the playoffs. Show me a place where that would NOT have the GM on the hot seat?

 

[Nav22]

I think you are being a little extreme here. First of all Jerry gets plenty of credit for hiring Jimmy and the early years. He wasn't GM but he should get credit. In fact it is one of the most frustrating things about Jerry...that he gave someone control, was a strong owner and was on magazines everywhere but he refuses to go that route again. He gets no credit for Switzer because Switzer took Jimmy's team for a test drive. The ranking is GMs right now! The Jerry who gets credit left he building long ago. He is getting worse, not better. I don't think a moment of clarity with Parcells takes away what has happened the last 15 years when you look at drafts, contracts, etc. I'd give him plenty of credit if he just got out of his own way.

Let's just assume that Robert Kraft, Paul Allen, and Dan Rooney would be no better if they attempted what Jerry has done.

They are held in higher regard because they only do what they are good at and delegate to people in the areas they are not as good at.

Besides the stereotype he's been branded with as the owner/GM who calls all the shots much to the chagrin of everyone else in the
organization, what actual proof do either of you have that Jerry DOESN'T delegate?

Garrett has a ton of input into what kind of players we bring in. The defensive coaches certainly offer input into what kind of players they need for their schemes. The scouting department isn't paid to sit around and do nothing.

Jerry is the guy who puts his face out there and wears the GM title because he wants credit if/when the team starts winning again. He craves it. So others in the organization have to swallow a bit of pride when working for Jerry. But that doesn't mean he actually runs the team like a dictator. Jimmy himself said Jerry never meddled. The only reason anyone would think Jerry's been calling his own shots for the last 10+ years is because of the perception that's been attached to him.

Either way, there's no way you can spin a .500 record into being the 6th worst GM in the NFL. If anything, he's proven to be average... and "average" falls somewhere in the 12-20 range.

 

[xwalker]

Pretty sure the team is above .500 since Jimmy got canned so that can't be true.

Why?

You have to compare GMs during that time frame, not teams. Most current GMs that have been on the job for a few years are probably well above .500; otherwise they probably wouldn't be on the job anymore.

 

[visionary]

How many GM's have held the same position for 20 years?

Because he is that good
No one else could hope to do a better job

 

[visionary]

Why?

You have to compare GMs during that time frame, not teams. Most current GMs that have been on the job for a few years are probably well above .500; otherwise they probably wouldn't be on the job anymore.

Using performance to derermine success?
That is just crazy talk

 

[Nav22]

Why?

You have to compare GMs during that time frame, not teams. Most current GMs that have been on the job for a few years are probably well above .500; otherwise they probably wouldn't be on the job anymore.

Not sure I follow your logic. There's no standard I can think of by which a .500 record should be ranked 27th. Even if you only compared him to current GMs. And he's NOT only being compared to "GMs that have been on the job for a few years", this is a ranking of all 32 GMs.

If you want to compare him to every GM in the league since 1994, go for it. Find every team's GM over the last 20 years and compare all ~150 of them with Jerry and his .500 record. I stand by my assertion that Jerry's been average.

 

[Nav22]

Using performance to derermine success?
That is just crazy talk

Average performance = average success. What a concept!

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Because he is that good
No one else could hope to do a better job

It's that 40 year old brain. Brilliant football mind.

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

Besides the stereotype he's been branded with as the owner/GM who calls all the shots much to the chagrin of everyone else in the
organization, what actual proof do either of you have that Jerry DOESN'T delegate?

Jerry has always hired someone other than himself as head coach - so far.

Point is he does not delegate enough.

 

[TheDude]

If a GM has been on the job 5 years then it's his fault iif they don't have the correct QB.

As a fan I don't care about costs per win. If they win the most then they're spending correctly in my book.

As a fan maybe you dont, but as an owner and the ability to secure a better job you do.

If the yankees and the A's have the same record, that says alot about the job performance of Billy Beane and Brian cashman

 

[xwalker]

Not sure I follow your logic. There's no standard I can think of by which a .500 record should be ranked 27th. Even if you only compared him to current GMs. And he's NOT only being compared to "GMs that have been on the job for a few years", this is a ranking of all 32 GMs.

If you want to compare him to every GM in the league since 1994, go for it. Find every team's GM over the last 20 years and compare all ~150 of them with Jerry and his .500 record. I stand by my assertion that Jerry's been average.

It's a comparison of current GMs. There are 32 of them. If you compare all 32 then you have to grade on a curve for new GMs that inherited losing teams.

 

[xwalker]

As a fan maybe you dont, but as an owner and the ability to secure a better job you do.

If the yankees and the A's have the same record, that says alot about the job performance of Billy Beane and Brian cashman

I don't think these rankings were published for the owners to evaluate their ROI in real money.

No fan cares how much the Yankees spend to win. Do the fans get reduced ticket prices if Cashman wins for less money?

Why would the fans of the team with the best winning record over multiple years care how much it cost in real money or cap space?

Fans care about money issues with teams that aren't winning because it appears that their spending habits are tied to the lack of winning.

 

[TwoDeep3]

So because he hired Bill Parcells he's still a bad GM? Most GM's get some points for hiring good coaches, even tho BP was past his prime it was still a good hire by the GM of the Cowboys. Bill had input but didn't build that team.

You were the one who brough5t up eleven pro bowl players. I merely pointed out the two times they did so, Jerry didn't have chit to do with it other than hire the coach.

 

[Nav22]

It's a comparison of current GMs. There are 32 of them. If you compare all 32 then you have to grade on a curve for new GMs that inherited losing teams.

Haha so we're grading on curves now? Oh, okay.

And what happens when the GMs that inherited losing teams get fired in a year or 2 because they couldn't turn it around? Do we re-visit this thread and re-rank Jerry where he should've been ranked all along?

 

[TwoDeep3]

So when is it even possible for Jerry to get any credit? By your logic, it can't ever happen.

He gets no credit for the Jimmy years, even though Jerry hired Jimmy and allowed Jimmy to do his thing.

He gets no credit for the Super Bowl we won with Switzer.

He gets no credit for the success that came before AND AFTER the Parcells era, even though he's the one who lured Parcells out of retirement.

And if Garrett were to eventually succeed, I have zero doubt that Jerry STILL won't get any credit. They'll say it was Garrett and his "right kind of guy" approach that got the job done.

Oh, but the Gailey and Campo years? That was ALLLLL Jerry and Jerry should ONLY be judged off of those failed regimes! Right?

No, no Nav. He does get credit with me. He hired crappy coaches except for Johnson, and perhaps Parcels. Gailey was good, but Jerry didn't have the football knowledge to understand Aikman was done.

Other than that, he gets all the credit in the world for signing guys like Austin over one game, or too past their prime players.

He hasn't put a winner on this field without the help from people who do deserve the credit in Parcels and Johnson.

Otherwise, he stinks on ice. And gets zero credit for a Jimmy built team that won it all in spite of Jerry and Mr. Hotdog Barry Switzer.

You are holding out hope he will figure it out one day.

You probably also bet on three legged dogs at the track, as well.

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

Just to be even-handed, Belichick is the head coach and GM and at times offensive and defensive coordinator. Great that he can juggle all that, but still think long-term he needs more lieutenants on the same page and don't jump.

 

[slomoxn]

So Jerry could get job offers as a GM in this league?

Yes he could... By the Cowboys... They keep hiring him over and over and over again; every three years when they do a team evaluation to see if the team is headed in the right direction the owner of the Cowboys comes away with the conclusion that the GM position is not part of the problem, it's everyone and everything else in the organization. Therefore he my not be fired and hired by act but by deed, just means the owner doesn't know any more than the GM really though.

 

[Setackin]

This guy just sounds like a Jerry hater. Clearly, Jerry is a top 5 GM.

Sarcasm?!?! I hope so...