RotoWorld Ranks GMs

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Flip him with Jacksonvilles GM.

Why would you rank Jerry that high?

 

[OhSnap]

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then. NO GOOD GM would have hired Chan Gailey or Dave Campo. W/o mentioning the others, the Campo hire and 3 years of allowing 5-11 records negates any possible good GMing one could argue for in hiring Parcells.

I never said he was a good GM. I said they put him at the bottom of the list just for the sake of putting him there and listed people above him that at the least haven't done any better. But hiring BP is not a blind squirrel lucking up and finding a nut, you can cancel it out however you want but the GM of the Cowboys hired Bill Parcells and made the team competitive again after those 3 5-11"s. I know that don't fit in with everyones opinion of Jerry but it's still true. Doesn't mean you gotta like him.

 

[Nav22]

You're an emotional wreck.

Still know how to parrot things you hear/read, I see. Let me know when you get to "critical thinking". It'll be awhile.

Law of averages means there is a Kool Aid drinker in every crowd

It also means the majority of that crowd is made up of complete morons. Test scores don't lie.

 

[Nav22]

Why would you rank Jerry that high?

Yes, tell us: why would a GM whose record has been average be ranked as average!?!?

IT DONT MAKE NO SENSE TO ME!!!1!!1!!

 

[TheDude]

Hardly seems fair to rank him only among GMs whose teams have obviously done well enough to keep from being fired for 5+ years. In fact, you only created that criteria because you know he's done better than the other half that won't last that long. I mean, if you eliminate the newer GMs who haven't proven whether they're good or bad yet, wouldn't it then be fair to include all the GMs who have already been fired in the last 5 years?

You can't judge someone on 16 games vs someone with 320. Most new GMs are new because the team sucks and the old GM was fired because of it. I would guess Jerry is the longest "tenured" GM in the NFL now that Al Davis is dead.

 

[OhSnap]

You were the one who brough5t up eleven pro bowl players. I merely pointed out the two times they did so, Jerry didn't have chit to do with it other than hire the coach.

I'm 100% sure I've read several articles about JJ overruling Parcells in the draft room.

 

[Nav22]

I'm 100% sure I've read several articles about JJ overruling Parcells in the draft room.

See my list of those Pro Bowlers earlier in the thread. EIGHT of those 2007 Pro Bowlers were brought in completely independently of Parcells.

You can take a wild guess at whether or not TwoDeep3 retracted his false statement.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

I never said he was a good GM. I said they put him at the bottom of the list just for the sake of putting him there and listed people above him that at the least haven't done any better. But hiring BP is not a blind squirrel lucking up and finding a nut, you can cancel it out however you want but the GM of the Cowboys hired Bill Parcells and made the team competitive again after those 3 5-11"s. I know that don't fit in with everyones opinion of Jerry but it's still true. Doesn't mean you gotta like him.

It has nothing to do with liking or disliking him. We all know why Jerry hired BP. We all know that Jerry would rather drop the soap in a federal prison shower 3 times a day for 10 years straight before he would make a hire like that again. Giving him some credit for the BP hire as a reason to rate him better than #27 is naive at best, or willfully ignorant.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Didn't Jerry admit that he hired Bill to get his palace built? You know make a big splash & get the fans all excited? Look I'm stepping back folks!

I realize his admission was in a drunken stupor but that's probably Jerry at his most genuine.

 

[OhSnap]

It has nothing to do with liking or disliking him. We all know why Jerry hired BP. We all know that Jerry would rather drop the soap in a federal prison shower 3 times a day for 10 years straight before he would make a hire like that again. Giving him some credit for the BP hire as a reason to rate him better than #27 is naive at best, or willfully ignorant.

I suspect you would rather drop the soap in prison 10 times a day rather than give Jerry any credit for anything good that has happened with this team so I won't waste our time trying to free you from the bonds of ignorance. LOL If your happy with the list print it and pin it to your wall and you can sit there and be wrong with it.

 

[RS12]

Didn't Jerry admit that he hired Bill to get his palace built? You know make a big splash & get the fans all excited? Look I'm stepping back folks!

I realize his admission was in a drunken stupor but that's probably Jerry at his most genuine.

Mote importantly he admitted he would be fired anywhere else. You dont get 20 years as an nfl gm to prove your avereage, hand ot bad contracts like candy, make bad coaching hires, and continually miss the playoffs. End of thread.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

I suspect you would rather drop the soap in prison 10 times a day rather than give Jerry any credit for anything good that has happened with this team so I won't waste our time trying to free you from the bonds of ignorance. LOL If your happy with the list print it and pin it to your wall and you can sit there and be wrong with it.

Ive got no problem giving Jerry credit where it is due. The problem I have tho is with your perspective of pretending that Jerry did some kind of masterful job as GM when he hired Parcells. Parcells had a track record. Hiring him wasnt any kind of brilliant move. Or a sign of some savvy GM making a shrewd move. Jerry needed BP. He was forced to do something. Now whats really a truer indication of Jerry's GMing is the fact that he hired Barry Switzer, Chan Gailey, Dave Campo, Wade Philips and Jason Garrett to be HC.

I actually kinda like Barry since we won a Super Bowl with him. But the truth is, Barry is not the only guy that could've done that with that team.

So, keep drinking your Jerry GM Kool-Aid and be content with a .500 record since 1997 and 1 playoff win and I'll hold the soap and look at things as they really are.

 

[dcstands4]

Then the question that begs is how in the Hell did he make it as high as 27?

Job security. ....

 

[jnday]

And of course, you base this on absolutely nothing.

Nothing but the team he fields year after year.

 

[TheDude]

He's 5 spots too high on the list.

Only Bruce Allen (Commanders) and McKenzie (Raiders) are lower - 3 GMs have yet make a pick (Dolphins, Browns, Bucs)

 

[Dave_in-NC]

It's average. We've been an average team so it's only fair to rank Jerry as an average GM.

So sad how many people can't grasp elementary logic.

What's sad is the failure to see just because a team is average that people think the people running the franchise are at least average.
Just because a GM lucks in to enough players to make a team average doesn't mean he is an average GM.
Average sucks for this franchise period.

 

[TheDude]

Pretty sure the team is above .500 since Jimmy got canned so that can't be true.

Eh,

If you start with a 10yd head start (Revenues, stadium, low tax state, team fame) and are still. 500, that really isnt average

 

[OhSnap]

Ive got no problem giving Jerry credit where it is due. The problem I have tho is with your perspective of pretending that Jerry did some kind of masterful job as GM when he hired Parcells. Parcells had a track record. Hiring him wasnt any kind of brilliant move. Or a sign of some savvy GM making a shrewd move. Jerry needed BP. He was forced to do something. Now whats really a truer indication of Jerry's GMing is the fact that he hired Barry Switzer, Chan Gailey, Dave Campo, Wade Philips and Jason Garrett to be HC.

I actually kinda like Barry since we won a Super Bowl with him. But the truth is, Barry is not the only guy that could've done that with that team.

So, keep drinking your Jerry GM Kool-Aid and be content with a .500 record since 1997 and 1 playoff win and I'll hold the soap and look at things as they really are.

Big difference in saying someone did a masterful job and pointing out a window of time when they done a good job. I have no problems seeing Jerry's failed philosophy on hiring coaches. I also don't cut up his years as an owner so I can puke out that same ol tired 1 playoff win in 17 years crap. I don't give a rats butt who the coaches were when they won the SB's because it doesn't change the fact that he hired them. Thats the problem with fans that think they see things how they "really" are, you have to cut up history into specific years and ignore that stretch from 03 to 09 to make it fit your opinion because it would just be too painful to say he should be ranked higher than 27th and anyone who ever says anything good about him is a homer drunk on kool aide. I've never said Jerry was a masterful or even good GM but I also never pretended he had nothing to do with the first 8 years he owned the team either because thats not how it "really" was.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Oh, really?

1) DeMarcus Ware - Jerry draft pick despite Parcells wanting Shawne Merriman instead
2) Terrell Owens - Jerry signing despite Parcells not wanting him
3) Flozell Adams - Jerry draft pick
4) Leonard Davis - Jerry signing in 2007 after Parcells skipped town
5) Andre Gurode - Jerry draft pick
6) Greg Ellis - Jerry draft pick
7) Roy Williams - Jerry draft pick
8) Nick Folk - Jerry draft pick

Tell me again how Jerry had nothing to do with all those Pro Bowlers in 2007?

Number 2 shows you what a moron Jerry is period. Nothing but a troubled player, brought the team nothing.

 

[OhSnap]

Number 2 shows you what a moron Jerry is period. Nothing but a troubled player, brought the team nothing.

except for the 38 td's and 3500 yds.