Round 1 Tyron Smith Thoughts

[Hostile]

Deion really didnt make any difference in Atlanta now did he? I think they made the playoffs one time while he was there and their defense was consistently awful.

Deion helped the Niners and Cowboys win a championship because those two teams were vastly more talented than everyone else. We won two championships easily without him. We'd have beaten his Niner team in 1994 if it werent for the injuries and bad officiating. We'd have probably still won the super bowl in 1995 without him, especially if Kevin Smith hadnt gotten hurt in week one.

I'll take a great pass rush over a secondary with one good CB any day of the week.

That's plain silly Dave. Of course he helped, but they were a bad team who were still handicapped in a lot of areas.

I'll take a great pass rush too over secondary too, unless you have 3 potential holes in the secondary to fill, and we do.

 

[dbair1967]

Not in my opinion, Secondary is.

Watching tape of Colombo and Davis from the past two seasons should cure that.

Colombo almost single handedly lost a playoff game for us.

Watching QB's stand back there forever with clean pockets play after play should also cure that.

 

[dbair1967]

That's plain silly Dave. Of course he helped, but they were a bad team who were still handicapped in a lot of areas.

I'll take a great pass rush too over secondary too, unless you have 3 potential holes in the secondary to fill, and we do.

I see two holes in the secondary, and neither of them are CB

 

[Hostile]

Watching tape of Colombo and Davis from the past two seasons should cure that.

Colombo almost single handedly lost a playoff game for us.

Watching QB's stand back there forever with clean pockets play after play should also cure that.

Sensabaugh is a UFA.

Ball a liability.

Newman the most probable cap cut on the team.

By my math that is 75% of the starting Secondary. We have players in place who can replace Davis and Colombo. Even if not great players they are better than the options we have in the secondary.

 

[Hostile]

I see two holes in the secondary, and neither of them are CB

Terence Newman is the player most likely to be cut when the cap comes back Dave. Saves us 8 million. More than any other player.

 

[burmafrd]

Really doubt it. Tnew was in bad shape last year; that rib injury, in case you have never had one, is incredibly painful, and just destroys your flexibility. Tnew showed huge stones playing at all and Jerruh does not forget that sort of thing. He will stay- now they MIGHT renegotiate.

 

[TheFinisher]

Where is there any evidence of this whatsoever? Your just making an outlandish statement that cant be supported.

Every time I hear one of them speak, they all (the twins and his daddy) talk about the value of knocking QB's down and disrupting a passers rythym. They talk about dominating up front and being physical.

Antonio Cromartie, Joe Haden, Kyle Wilson, Sheldon Brown, etc.

Those were the players that Rob and Rex spent high draft picks and big FA $ on last year. Wherever they've been they always had great CB play and if they didn't have it they went out and got it. You can't say the same about the pass rush, just take a look at the front 7s of the Jets and Browns last year.

Their schemes depend on great Corner play because they are often left on an island while they send extra rushers on blitzes.

 

[burmafrd]

depends on the situation. And on the GM as well. I really doubt that either of them were the final authority on who got brought in. Or at the least it was a compromise.

 

[TheSport78]

Really doubt it. Tnew was in bad shape last year; that rib injury, in case you have never had one, is incredibly painful, and just destroys your flexibility. Tnew showed huge stones playing at all and Jerruh does not forget that sort of thing. He will stay- now they MIGHT renegotiate.

He's ALWAYS hurt or injured.

 

[Hostile]

Really doubt it. Tnew was in bad shape last year; that rib injury, in case you have never had one, is incredibly painful, and just destroys your flexibility. Tnew showed huge stones playing at all and Jerruh does not forget that sort of thing. He will stay- now they MIGHT renegotiate.

It isn't about his ability of stones. It is about his age, cost, and the cap releif that can come by releasing him.

Yes, they might renegotiate. They also might cut him and save the cap room. That is more likely of the two.

It might rain today. It might not. It might be windy. It might not.

Might is a thin line to walk.

 

[dbair1967]

Terence Newman is the player most likely to be cut when the cap comes back Dave. Saves us 8 million. More than any other player.

He might get released. And then we'll turn around and resign him right afterward to a more cap friendly deal.

Just because they release him doesnt mean he's gone.

 

[Hostile]

He might get released. And then we'll turn around and resign him right afterward to a more cap friendly deal.

Just because they release him doesnt mean he's gone.

I like your crystal ball.

 

[dbair1967]

I like your crystal ball.

If it only worked for lottery numbers

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Pass rush can only take you so far when 2 of your 3 corners cant find the ball. Catches can still be made right over the top of them.

Ware = Best pass rusher in the league
Peterson = Possibly scariest DB in the league

Dangerous combo

 

[TheSport78]

Pass rush can only take you so far when 2 of your 3 corners cant find the ball. Catches can still be made right over the top of them.

Ware = Best pass rusher in the league
Peterson = Possibly scariest DB in the league

Dangerous combo

Ware needs help.

 

[ThreeandOut]

I think you have more options to improve your team in the secondary compared to OT. First off Columbo is done while Newman can still play another 1-2 years. Even if you get rid of both, you have a more likely replacement candidate on the roster for Newman (Scandrick) than you do for Columbo (Young). There are probably more free agent options at S than OT. Finally you are more likely to find an immediate contributor at CB in the 2nd round than you are an OT in this draft.

 

[tm1119]

The point is that A) you dont draft a RT with the #9 overall pick. Its a borderline waste of a pick. There are A LOT of guys capable of playing the position at a quality level. Just because Colombo doesnt happen to be 1 of them doesnt mean you panic and take 1 too early. B) Smith is a bit of a reach at #9. He was a late 1st/early 2nd round pick before he went and impressed people in shorts and a t-shirt. Hes getting hyped up based on workout performances and not on field play. If we had the 13th-15th pick Id be all for Smith, but picking him at 9 is a poor decision in my opinion. And given Jerry's track record Im fairly confident he wont make that decision.

I honestly believe we could get Cannon, Carpenter, or Barksdale in the 2nd/3rd round to start at RT, and Solder, Carimi, or Sherrod could fall past the 25th or so pick and be a short trade up. We can get a stud D player and a starting RT in this draft no problem.

 

[ghst187]

I'd like to have Peterson even though he might be a dumb as a box of rocks....

as for OL, I'd MUCH prefer to trade down and take either Carimi or Sherrod. I think Carimi will end up a pro bowler. Smith may very well end up as one too but I think Carimi and Sherrod are safer picks, esp if you end up getting them in the late teens or early twenties...plus you have one or two extra picks to go with them. In fact, if we just can't get PP, trading down to get an OL should be our plan B.

 

[unionjack8]

The point is that A) you dont draft a RT with the #9 overall pick. Its a borderline waste of a pick. There are A LOT of guys capable of playing the position at a quality level. Just because Colombo doesnt happen to be 1 of them doesnt mean you panic and take 1 too early. B) Smith is a bit of a reach at #9. He was a late 1st/early 2nd round pick before he went and impressed people in shorts and a t-shirt. Hes getting hyped up based on workout performances and not on field play. If we had the 13th-15th pick Id be all for Smith, but picking him at 9 is a poor decision in my opinion. And given Jerry's track record Im fairly confident he wont make that decision.

I honestly believe we could get Cannon, Carpenter, or Barksdale in the 2nd/3rd round to start at RT, and Solder, Carimi, or Sherrod could fall past the 25th or so pick and be a short trade up. We can get a stud D player and a starting RT in this draft no problem.

this is a dumb dumb dumb dumb statement. There is very little difference in 4-7 picks. Now if you'd said you wouldnt take him until 40 then fair enbough but i am fed up of hearing this piss poor argument. If a guy is good enough to be picked at 13 he's good enough to go @9.

 

[tm1119]

this is a dumb dumb dumb dumb statement. There is very little difference in 4-7 picks. Now if you'd said you wouldnt take him until 40 then fair enbough but i am fed up of hearing this piss poor argument. If a guy is good enough to be picked at 13 he's good enough to go @9.

No, its a dumb dumb dumb dumb idea to pick a guy that is somewhere between the 13-16th best prospect ahead of a guy that is top 7 or 8. Thats just common sense. Youre belief would make sense if we were picking in the mid to late 1st round where the player rankings are interchangeable, but we have a top 10 pick. We CAN NOT pass on a blue chip player and reach for a player when we have multiple needs. Yes, OT is a need, but we're talking about getting guys that are potential pro-bowlers from day 1 in Peterson, Prince, Fairely, Dareus, or Miller. If 1 of those guys is there at #9 and we dont take them it would be a near monumental mistake.