Roy in the box????

[Next_years_Champs]

This is the whole point of my thread...these other guys looking in the stat books to see who the most tackles are flat out missing it.

Coaches got scared of getting torched so they moved eveyone back...thus not moving Roy to where he can make an impact. He IS the best SS in the NFL when in the BOX...outside the box...average at best.

Well that can be argued both ways. This defense held the Raiders to 19 points on their home field when they had just traveled to Philadelphia and score 20 on the Eagles. I don't agree with all the non factual emotion based rethoric which is all some fans seem to be able to post. I couldn't disagree more with some of the theories being passed off as factual on this thread and the statistics were a attempt to show there was no factual evidence to support the the wild claims being belched.

Perhaps some of you guys wouldn't appear so irrational if you actually studied the game films and supplied the factual evidence to support you theories. The fact is the strategy held the Raiders to 19 points, I remember most of media people and fans on this forum were forecasting a 60 to 70 total point game.

The fact is Roy Williams played a good game yesterday as did most of the defense, they made a few mistakes at critical times which allowed the Raiders 2 of their field goals. So what really happened yesterday was that the Raiders were able to take advantage of a few Cowboy mistakes but the strategy helped hold the Raiders to 19 points and was by and large successful, especially for a defense with a lot of new players learning a entirely new system.

So maybe just maybe its not the "guys looking in the stats book" who "are flat out missing it". Do you think this defense should hold everyone scoreless? And if you say no how many point is acceptable to you? If the defense holds the opposition to fewer points than what you deem allowable, whose fault is the loss then? Some of you guys are just "flat out" unrealistic but that doesn't mean I don't know what happened in the game yesterday because I point out with statistics just how unfounded you rants are.......

 

[Canadian BoyzFan]

We seemed to be playing lots of 2 and 3 deep zones.

 

[Portland Fanatic]

Well that can be argued both ways. This defense held the Raiders to 19 points on their home field when they had just traveled to Philadelphia and score 20 on the Eagles. I don't agree with all the non factual emotion based rethoric which is all some fans seem to be able to post. I couldn't disagree more with some of the theories being passed off as factual on this thread and the statistics were a attempt to show there was no factual evidence to support the the wild claims being belched.

Perhaps some of you guys wouldn't appear so irrational if you actually studied the game films and supplied the factual evidence to support you theories. The fact is the strategy held the Raiders to 19 points, I remember most of media people and fans on this forum were forecasting a 60 to 70 total point game.

The fact is Roy Williams played a good game yesterday as did most of the defense, they made a few mistakes at critical times which allowed the Raiders 2 of their field goals. So what really happened yesterday was that the Raiders were able to take advantage of a few Cowboy mistakes but the strategy helped hold the Raiders to 19 points and was by and large successful, especially for a defense with a lot of new players learning a entirely new system.

So maybe just maybe its not the "guys looking in the stats book" who "are flat out missing it". Do you think this defense should hold everyone scoreless? And if you say no how many point is acceptable to you? If the defense holds the opposition to fewer points than what you deem allowable, whose fault is the loss then? Some of you guys are just "flat out" unrealistic but that doesn't mean I don't know what happened in the game yesterday because I point out with statistics just how unfounded you rants are.......

My original post never asked how many tackles Roy had? I don't care! Since we got torched in the Skins game...we have not put Roy in the box as much. I'm talking as much if not more about the Niners game, then the Raiders game. We held the Raiders to 19 points...comendable...really it is. Roy played well, however, I would like to see him in the box MORE like he started out early in the season. He was a major force against the Skins for 56 minutes, why change that? Especially when he is not a good cover safety...

 

[Next_years_Champs]

My original post never asked how many tackles Roy had? I don't care! Since we got torched in the Skins game...we have not put Roy in the box as much. I'm talking as much if not more about the Niners game, then the Raiders game. We held the Raiders to 19 points...comendable...really it is. Roy played well, however, I would like to see him in the box MORE like he started out early in the season. He was a major force against the Skins for 56 minutes, why change that? Especially when he is not a good cover safety...

I read your original post as well as most of the thread, you asked why the scheme had been changed when R Williams had been so successful against San Diego. Well the answer is the scheme was changed because the Raiders didn't have L Tomlinson but they did have R Moss as well as a couple of other solid receivers. The Raiders team is top heavy with talented receivers which have to be accounted for, therefore your best safety has to be called in as reinforcement for your secondary. Its as simple as that but that isn't what the true intent of this thread was, this was just a different angle to come out with the same old tired Zimmer bashing.

It gets really old especially when the defensive gameplan was to a large part successful. Now no defensive plan can be called truely successful if the team loses. But the fact is before this game was played if everyone knew we would hold them to 19 points most here would have liked our chances.

This thread wasn't started to findout why R Williams was used in the primary pass defense, the reasons for that should be evident to even the casual fan. This thread was to criticize the defensive coordinator, regardless of the fact his basic strategy was successful.

 

[Portland Fanatic]

I read your original post as well as most of the thread, you asked why the scheme had been changed when R Williams had been so successful against San Diego. Well the answer is the scheme was changed because the Raiders didn't have L Tomlinson but they did have R Moss as well as a couple of other solid receivers. The Raiders team is top heavy with talented receivers which have to be accounted for, therefore your best safety has to be called in as reinforcement for your secondary. Its as simple as that but that isn't what the true intent of this thread was, this was just a different angle to come out with the same old tired Zimmer bashing.

It gets really old especially when the defensive gameplan was to a large part successful. Now no defensive plan can be called truely successful if the team loses. But the fact is before this game was played if everyone knew we would hold them to 19 points most here would have liked our chances.

This thread wasn't started to findout why R Williams was used in the primary pass defense, the reasons for that should be evident to even the casual fan. This thread was to criticize the defensive coordinator, regardless of the fact his basic strategy was successful.

Actually, I'm not on Zimmy's jock...I'm all over Payton's though.

I understand what you are saying...I fully understand why we hold back Roy with their receivers, BUT for the whole game??? You wouldn't blitz Roy once if you were the DC against OAK?

They only scored 19 points...that's success most days against the Raiders, even then I blitz Roy on occasion.

As for the Niners, tell me why you don't take the leash off of him and let him hunt?

 

[BayArea Cowboy]

But nonetheless, we came very close to losing the game, due, in no small part, to being "torched on the bomb" (your words, not mine.)

We pay Roy a ton of money to be "everywhere". Something has been out of sorts these past few weeks with Roy. Hit someone in the mouth and break some teeth Roy, I know you can do it!