Roy Williams and Sean Taylor - The Debate Must End

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riggo said:
its true that williams does not like to start rookies. him not starting says nothing about his play, only his experience.

:lmao2:

OMG! So...why do you think Parcells starts his rookies (draft choices...something you know nothing about)?

TO GET THEM EXPERIENCE!

The top players that the Cowboys have drafted lately have entered the season as starters! You know why? Because they have some intellegence...

Sean "the thug" Taylor probably did not start because his head is too small for his responsibilities! If "the thug" could not learn his role in training camp...then he's most likely stupid...as evidence has already shown off the field..

Then, to top it off...when the punk does get on the field...he spits at another NFL player? That is lowlife, scumbag actions...

Oh, well...he's your teams trouble...not my team's...

:lmao:

(one little mistake...and "the thug" is done)!
 

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BigDFan5 said:
Post a link please so we can all point out the fact that the ball was uncatchable and you can try to defend your position.

Oh geez, you want to say the ball was uncatchable. That's fine, I disagree. Doesn't change the fact she flinched like harder than Todd Stinkston when she saw Taylor coming.
 

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Gamebreaker said:
Oh geez, you want to say the ball was uncatchable. That's fine, I disagree. Doesn't change the fact she flinched like harder than Todd Stinkston when she saw Taylor coming.


Post the link and show the proof. The reason you arent posting it is because it was clearly uncatchable. Disagree all you want you would still be wrong.
 

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firehawk350 said:
So whos better, Emmitt or Barry Sanders??? I don't think the "he played longer" excuse really covers it. Why did he play longer??? Maybe he is tougher, maybe he has more heart, etc... That's why, in my book, how many years they played is not as important as what they accomplished.
It depends on what you are looking at. Emmitt had more tds than Barry while they both were still playing. By the end of Emmitt's 10th year he was less than 200 yrds behind Barry. So this isn't even really the same argument. You could make a case for either being better. Since you brought it up. I think Walter Payton is the best back ever, (even though Emmitt passed him while only playing one more game), I have Emmitt Second, and Sanders 3rd... I honestly don't care who you pick because cases can be made for both and even Jim Brown...

No one in their right mind would say that Monk was better than Irvin, ever, no such case can be made. It just isn't the same...
 

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MikeCowboy3189 said:
Though it never will end. But we can attempt to really look at it and discuss it in a civilized manner.

This post is in response to a statement made by Kevin, which I happen to somewhat agree with. (AH! I agree with a Skins fan!) and the fact that CBS Sportsline claimed Roy Williams is an overrated player, while Sean Taylor is an elite safety.



I have taken a step back and attempted to look at this un-biased. However there is always going to be the fact that I love the Cowboys and am completely loyal to my team. Therefore I am not claiming this as an un-biased post, merely an attempt.

I don't doubt Sean Taylor's talent and ability. I believe he is a very good safety, a great safety, in fact. The potential to be great. However I don't believe he's up to Roy Williams' pedigree. Yet.

Roy Williams is an elite safety. When people think of the best safeties in the league, they think Ed Reed, Troy Palamalu, Roy Williams, and Michael Lewis. I personally think Ed Reed and Roy Williams are tied for the best safeties in the league, however they are completely different styled players.

Roy Williams has three pro bowls, while Sean Taylor has none. I have no doubt Sean Taylor will go to a Pro Bowl eventually. The fact is at this time Roy has him beaten in that category.

Some say Sean Taylor is the next Ronnie Lott. Before Sean Taylor came around, many were saying, and still say, Roy Williams is the next Ronnie Lott. Ronnie Lott said himself Roy Williams is the next Ronnie Lott.

Let's look at them statistically. Since Sean Taylor has only played two years, while Roy has played four. I will compare their first two seasons, and their season averages.

First Two Seasons:
Roy Williams - 171 Tackles, 4 Sacks, 7 Interceptions, 2 Touchdowns, 9 Passes Defended
Sean Taylor - 146 Tackles, 2 Sacks, 6 Interceptions, 0 touchdowns, 19 Passes Defended

Career Season Averages:
Roy Williams - 86.5 Tackles, 1.6 Sacks, 3 Interceptions, 0.75 Touchdowns, 6 Passes Defended
Sean Taylor - 73 Tackles, 1 Sacks, 3 Interceptions, 0 Touchdowns, 9.5 Passes Defended

Roy wins in the tackles, sacks, interceptions, and touchdowns categories, while Sean clearly has him beaten in the Pass Defended area. Sean is the better coverage guy, however Roy is the better tackler and at doing what he does best.

However as I type this, my morals keep popping into my head. And I must include the fact of the better person on and off the field. I can't get the fact out of my head that Sean Taylor is simply a troubled, undisciplined, terrible person.

It's simple as that.

Roy Williams is a very good, model, kind human being.

Until Sean Taylor cleans up his act and respects the game, and more importantly himself and society; I cannot compare him to Roy or any other safety in the league. I have no doubt he can clean up, but I can't take him seriously until he does.

So yes, I'm a Cowboys fan and I'm saying Roy Williams is the better Safety. It's not because of talent, ability, skill; happen to think they're very close to eachother in that category in their own way. It's because Roy Williams is simply the better, classier person.

Why is this up for discussion? everybody knows Roy Williams better than Sean Taylor. Roy Williams is the best safety in the NFL. PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION.
 

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superpunk said:
I've been over there, too.

I quickly realized there was very little room for reasonable talk. It's a madhouse.

But I didn't stay, and try to change them, or try to fix their homer ways. It's their site - would I want them coming here and doing the same thing?

The answer is no. There are some Skins fans here that can get things going right - and sometimes, when I see an interesting topic if I check ES, I'll chime.

I'm not out to change the world, though. If they want a super-homer site, so be it. They have a ton of them, if only because the site membership is so enormous. but there's good people, too.


Both boards have their share of trolls, and both boards have their share of intelligent discussion. Its the nature of being a football fan that if you say RW is better, I'll think you're a homer. If I say ST is better, you'll say I'm a homer. That's just the way it is, for the most part.

That being said...I always find this debate a little tiring; the two play different positions. Roy is a strong safety, Sean is a free safety. They are expected to do different things. SS's usually have more tackles than FS's, because they play the run more frequently.

At this point in their careers, RW clearly has more accolades than ST, an undeniable fact. RW's stats are better than ST's, another undeniable fact. But as far as potential and athleticism, ST is leaps and bounds ahead of RW -- and if he lives up to that potential, ST will be a perennial pro-bowler.

I'm not like the rest of Skins' fans who think ST is a god and can do no wrong. I've seen him make plenty of mistakes. Last season alone, ST was responsible for 2 Cowboy touchdowns (the only two you scored against us :D). He has improved, and is relying more on film study and preparation, and less on pure athleticism. Once he gets the combination down correctly, he skill level will be limitless. He's going to be a great safety in this league for years, just as RW will be a great SS for years. Just don't be surprised when ST's all-pro team plaques eclipse Roy's...;)
 

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BrAinPaiNt said:
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So then I said like Roy Williams is the better Saftey and she said that Sean Taylor was the better Saftey and I was like OMG and said no way Roy is better and she was like no way Sean is better and like...


:lmao2::lmao2::lmao2::lmao2:
 

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jrockster77 said:
But as far as potential and athleticism, ST is leaps and bounds ahead of RW -- and if he lives up to that potential, ST will be a perennial pro-bowler.

Cool. Made-up measurables are teh awesome. :laugh1:

Once he gets the combination down correctly, he skill level will be limitless.
This is, of course, assuming he ever gets that combination down correctly - not a given.

He's going to be a great safety in this league for years,
I have no doubt - eventually.

just as RW will be a great SS for years.
Has been, and will be.

Just don't be surprised when ST's all-pro team plaques eclipse Roy's...;)

He better get started.
 
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