Roy Williams has Fallen Off

lyrclcipha12;1258231 said:
Roy Williams has Fallen Off

I agree, but what about the WHOLE defense?


Roy hasn't fallen off any more then anyone else on D. The whole defense has turned to complete crap, and the reason for it is Zimmer.
 
soccerbud;1258367 said:
he's playing with a bum shoulder
just look at how he favors one of his shoulders when he runs and tackles

last time i checked a bum shoulder doesnt explain being out of position half of the time in coverage. getting beat deep consistently. that may explain his not fending off blocks better but still at this point in the season everyone has a bum something.
 
jesusphreak;1258389 said:
He just hasn't been the same dominating force in the running game this year that he has been in the past. He's never had great pass coverage skills, but he usually makes up for that. This year not so much.

it's hard to be a force in the run when you're stuck back in coverage
 
summerisfunner;1258401 said:
the Eagles have 200 yards rushing

again, why is Roy only being called out? and what TD pass was he out of position on?


roy is the leader of our defense for one. everyones excuse for him before was well hes not great in coverage but hes a beast against the run. he didnt do that tonight and hasnt. he had one tackle. had no effect on the game and had plenty of chances.

and i believe he was out of position on the first touchdown pass over the top getting there late.
 
I have to agree, I have always stood up for Roy, but today I see a R.W. I don't recognize. This is the kind of game where he should be playing ferocious and lifting the D, unfortunately he is leading the Lazy train .
 
I'd like to know if he's hurt, cause he seem very tentative out there.
 
summerisfunner;1258411 said:
it's hard to be a force in the run when you're stuck back in coverage

ok then are you satisfied with the job he has done in coverage this year??? if you're really making that argument i think even roy would tell you you would lose.
 
and teams are running right at him...all the runs went right today...he just isnt the same player...and still cant cover, wish we could move him like i said earlier and the idiots blasted me showing their ignorance...
 
the whole defense stunk out the joint. bobby carperter and kevin burnett are bigger flops than roy.
 
Rack;1258405 said:
I agree, but what about the WHOLE defense?


Roy hasn't fallen off any more then anyone else on D. The whole defense has turned to complete crap, and the reason for it is Zimmer.

agreed. but no one on our defense is considered the leader roy is or is rated as high as roy is except for maybe dware, who is the only one playing well. therefore, roy gets called out.

its already a given zimmer is terrible, hes not being overrated by the entire league however.
 
silver;1258469 said:
the whole defense stunk out the joint. bobby carperter and kevin burnett are bigger flops than roy.

agreed. but they never fell off, theyve kinda just always sucked.
 
lyrclcipha12;1258435 said:
roy is the leader of our defense for one. everyones excuse for him before was well hes not great in coverage but hes a beast against the run. he didnt do that tonight and hasnt. he had one tackle. had no effect on the game and had plenty of chances.

what chances has he had? he's been in coverage for most of the game, and the Eagles have been dinking and dunking for most of the day, so again, why is Roy being called out? the team has given up 200 yards rushing, they weren't all at Roy

lyrclcipha said:
and i believe he was out of position on the first touchdown pass over the top getting there late.

seeing that Roy had to turn around to get there, I dont' think he was providing safety help
 
soccerbud;1258367 said:
he's playing with a bum shoulder
just look at how he favors one of his shoulders when he runs and tackles
then stay off the field,because he is only hurting the team,he flat out wanted no part of the off tackle plays tonight,constantly took himself out of the play. He isn't the only one to blame
 
Roy, James, Spears,I didn't hear adoleye name all game, Carpenter made a couple tackles he looks better suited for the inside. it goes on and on
 
lyrclcipha12;1258445 said:
ok then are you satisfied with the job he has done in coverage this year??? if you're really making that argument i think even roy would tell you you would lose.

it's not even an argument, just explaining to you fools why Roy's tackle numbers have decreased, if you had any common sense, or football knowledge, you would understand that

but you being fair to Roy is like asking a Catholic priest to stop eyeing little boys

btw, Roy is just as good in coverage as any SS in the game, just he's out there too much because our FS candidates suck, and is getting exposed
 
summerisfunner;1258523 said:
it's not even an argument, just explaining to you fools why Roy's tackle numbers have decreased, if you had any common sense, or football knowledge, you would understand that

but you being fair to Roy is like asking a Catholic priest to stop eyeing little boys

btw, Roy is just as good in coverage as any SS in the game, just he's out there too much because our FS candidates suck


ok your avi and sig tell me you might be a little biased so im gonna use your Catholic priest analogy and throw it right back at you. getting you to see a flaw with roy is kinda like asking a catholic priest to stop eyeing little boys. nice analogy on christmas as well. kudos.

and roy was there to make a play PLENTY of times today and didnt. he was getting fended off by brian westbrook. but whatever.
 
diehard2231;1258495 said:
then stay off the field,because he is only hurting the team,he flat out wanted no part of the off tackle plays tonight,constantly took himself out of the play. He isn't the only one to blame
what other options do we have?
keith "the killer" davis?
 
summerisfunner;1258523 said:
it's not even an argument, just explaining to you fools why Roy's tackle numbers have decreased, if you had any common sense, or football knowledge, you would understand that

but you being fair to Roy is like asking a Catholic priest to stop eyeing little boys

btw, Roy is just as good in coverage as any SS in the game, just he's out there too much because our FS candidates suck

summer, you have always defended roy, always.

Its time to see what he is without those roy colored glasses you have worn for years. I still want a safety who can cover, FS or SS, doesnt' matter to me. Give me a safety that can cover, and that ain't what Roy is. All a run stopping safety is good for is if your front 7 is below average.

Give me someone that shows real passion and fire on the field. We have a bunch of panzies.
 
lyrclcipha12;1258617 said:
and roy was there to make a play PLENTY of times today and didnt. he was getting fended off by brian westbrook. but whatever.

name them all, and Westbrook sealed off Roy once, big deal
 
soccerbud;1258629 said:
what other options do we have?
keith "the killer" davis?

we dont have better options. im just saying he needs to take a lot of the blame for the Ds poor performance and should do so willingly instead of making excuses like a pop warner kid does to his friends.
 

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