RUMOR: Dallas wants to draft a Qb

[big dog cowboy]

Vince Young couldnt hit the Pacific if he were Standing on the Santa Monica Pier

2005 stats:
212 comp
325 att
3036 yds
65.2 %
26 td
10 int
163.9 QB rating

Your evaluation of VY is a little off. I suggest he is a little better than you think he is. Doesn't mean he will be All-Pro. But bums don't put up those kind of stats. He has a chance to be pretty good.

 

[dbair1967]

2005 stats:
212 comp
325 att
3036 yds
65.2 %
26 td
10 int
163.9 QB rating

Your evaluation of VY is a little off. I suggest he is a little better than you think he is. Doesn't mean he will be All-Pro. But bums don't put up those kind of stats. He has a chance to be pretty good.

I can post all sorts of college QB's who have met or even exceeded the numbers you just posted...doesnt mean they are (or were) good NFL prospects...as I mentioned in another thread, alot of people were crowing about how great Josh Heupel and Jason White's stats were, how much "savvy" they had, how they were "winners" etc etc...what NFL teams are they starting for today? none, and never will

college stats are about as usueless a tool of projecting how a QB will pan out in the NFL as you can possibly come up with

David

 

[The30YardSlant]

2005 stats:
212 comp
325 att
3036 yds
65.2 %
26 td
10 int
163.9 QB rating

Your evaluation of VY is a little off. I suggest he is a little better than you think he is. Doesn't mean he will be All-Pro. But bums don't put up those kind of stats. He has a chance to be pretty good.

I can throw out stats too:

63% of VY's passes in 2005 were 0-10 yard passes to RB's and TE's, mostly out routes and dump down routes. Chutch can complete those.

Only 18% of Vince Young's passes were over 20 yards, and only 15% of those were to WRs. And of those 20+ yard passes, he only complete 49.6% of them.

Sorry, but completion percentage doesnt prove much in college as Texas' offense was more of a spread offense that involves a lot of short throws.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Also, for comparison, Reggie McNeal threw 34% of his passes over 20 yards and completed 60.3% of those passes. It was the short throws that really brought his percentage down, as he throws so hard he had RBs and TEs dropping shoirt routes 5-6 times a game.

 

[ZB9]

I can throw out stats too:

63% of VY's passes in 2005 were 0-10 yard passes to RB's and TE's, mostly out routes and dump down routes. Chutch can complete those.

Only 18% of Vince Young's passes were over 20 yards, and only 15% of those were to WRs. And of those 20+ yard passes, he only complete 49.6% of them.

Sorry, but completion percentage doesnt prove much in college as Texas' offense was more of a spread offense that involves a lot of short throws.

LOL

that is such crap. I guarantee those stats are bogus.

if any of that were true, then VY wouldnt have had a 9.4 yp/a for the season, FACT (4th in the entire nation, no one was over 10 yp/a)...Vince threw short passes against USC, but throughout the season he was among the best in the nation in yp/a AND yp/c. You arent among the lead leaders in yards per attempt, and yards per completion, if you throw nothing but short passes. What a crock of **** those stats you posted are.

most of the haters are probably either aggsys, sooners, and/or they didnt see VY play very much this past season.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

In your opinions, what is better, a great performanc in pre-season games or great performances in NFLE?

HEnson is going to face 2nd and 3rd stringers in NFL preseason, same thing he's facing in NFLE, the talent Henson faces in preseason isn't that much further along than the talent he faces in NFLE

 

[Bob Sacamano]

He hasn't done anything to me and he hasn't done anything to show me he's the future. Tell, other than posting numbers against lesser opponents, what has he done to show you that if Bledsoe goes down the Boys won't miss a beat with Henson? What has he done to convince you that he is the future? Not against scrubs in NFLE. Against real players.

dude, you're asking questions NOONE can answer, why can't you just wait and see before deciding? you're basing Henson's future on the 2nd preseason of his career? c'mon now

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

HEnson is going to face 2nd and 3rd stringers in NFL preseason, same thing he's facing in NFLE, the talent Henson faces in preseason isn't that much further along than the talent he faces in NFLE

NFL 2nd and 3rd stringers are far superior then NFL Europe talent.....in fact NFLE is a wasteland for long time NFL pine riders and other washouts....don't be surprised if Henson has a great career over there if he don't make it in the NFL.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

NFL 2nd and 3rd stringers are far superior then NFL Europe talent.

really, then why aren't they starting? :jerk:and is Henson not an NFL 3rd stringer? he's already got the ante lol

and I'll be suprised when I'm suprised

 

[Bob Sacamano]

In two games, in NFL Europe!

We shouldn't judge him yet. He's off to good start, but has a long way to go yet.

true, but he's doing better than the haters expected him to so early

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I agree. He is doing well, and it is relevant to what he may be able to do in the NFL. No offense donkey punch, but you're not keeping the Henson comparison in context. Compare apples to apples here. Henson isn't Bledsoe and to think that anyone can go from a back-up to "not missing a beat" with regards to performance is a pipedream!! Bledsoe has 13 years in the NFL...Henson has a couple of starts, only one of whcih was in regular season.

That's my point with Jarv... you can't compare Henson to Bledsoe, which is what he did.
His point was in response to your YPC stat being around 6 yards - he said Bledsoe's was only slightly higher. Expectations of him stepping in and "not missing a beat" are a sure comparison to Bledsoe.

He IS the leader of NFLE, regardless of how little value you want to place on it, that's a fact. Additionally, I think several teams would disagree with your assessment that NFLE only proves if a guy CAN'T play. The best example at the position is playing QB for Carolina now. Time will tell if Henson can play, but wholesale discounting of his accomplishments makes no sense at all.

When did I say the Cowboys sent him over ot prove he can't play. I agree 100% with what the league is about. And the "wholesale discounting of his accomplishments," what accomplishments? He has a high QB rating? Did that win the World Bowl? Well, let's see...he was in no way responsibale at all for the two wins his team has: it was solely because of a suffocating defense. You say his numbers mean nothing, but bet you'd say they meant something if there were two losses and a QB rating of say 60?? You're raving about Ragone and Davey having 1700 yards apiece...now THAT'S accomplishment!! (look at Henson's pace...on track for 1600+ as we speak...but he's not a leader among peers??) A few of us simply said he's been doing well; you're the one ranting about him having done nothing. I guess you have no barometer for ANY kind of talent unless they're holding up a trophy. DUH.

Keep it in context when evaluating play, Henson's physical skills (throws, mobility, etc.) have never been a question, it's his lack of pro-level experience that hamstrings him.
Parcells has said he simply lacks experience. There has NEVER been a question as to his physical skill. You have a hard time staying on point with this guy for some reason?? Throwing motion change is coaching, skill is why he was signed. CONTEXT my friend...wake up, it's in the soup! It goes back to what was originally said...he's doing well at what he's doing. Make all the excuses you want, but you only sound silly doing it.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

hmm...so we're gearing up for a big run at the SB this year so we use our first round pick on a QB that won't be able to play for 3 years. That makes perfect sense.

:laugh2: excellent

 

[Bob Sacamano]

all the Henson homers need to come to grips with reality and realize he isn't the long term answer.

wait, doesn't something have to happen to be deemed reality? and we're not Henson homers, just ardent supporters of great talent, and who wear the Star

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Did you read his journals? Henson is definitely lacking maturity (and communication/writing skills for that matter).

you're writing skills are worse, and talk about horrible communication, all I hear from you is slurping sounds

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

really, then why aren't they starting? :jerk:and is Henson not an NFL 3rd stringer? he's already got the ante lol

and I'll be suprised when I'm suprised

NFL Starters > NFL 2nd Stringers > NFL 3rd string/practice squad players > NFL Europe/Arena League players

Once you can accept that premise, we can move on!

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

you're writing skills are worse, and talk about horrible communication, all I hear from you is slurping sounds

I like to get my grub on, but I don't slurp my soup. :laugh1:

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

wait, doesn't something have to happen to be deemed reality? and we're not Henson homers, just ardent supporters of great talent, and who wear the Star

I support the star as well....but there's certain players that haven't earned the right to wear it, namely your golden boy henson :starspin

 

[Bob Sacamano]

NFL Starters > NFL 2nd Stringers > NFL 3rd string/practice squad players > NFL Europe/Arena League players

Once you can accept that premise, we can move on!

this is my premise...

NFLE starters

NFL 2nd and 3rd stringers

what do they have in common?










answer: neither is starting in the NFL

 

[Bob Sacamano]

but there's certain players that haven't earned the right to wear it, namely your golden boy henson :starspin

how can you hold that against Henson? this is insane

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

how can you hold that against Henson? this is insane

If he steps it up and makes this team this summer, and has an impressive preseason in doing so, then I promise to eat plenty of crow.....I just have my doubts at this point, the more I see and here about him, the more I get discouraged.