Rumor: Jerry has eye on Cowher and Fisher

[iceberg]

What do the Patriots, Steelers, Indy and Philly have in common? Continuity and a Plan.. They are well run organizations.. What do bad teams have in common? Every 2 or 3 years they get new coaches and GM's with philosophies.. Jerry needs to break the cycle and stick to a plan that works.. One year we are a throwing team. Next a running team. Mobile O-line, then road graders, 4-3 then 3-4. Soft coach, Hard Coach then back to soft coach. Ect.. We're the Dallas Cowboys not the DC Commanders..

patriots are on the downside of that plan and years of losing players and personel are taking their toll as much as the hits on brady are doing the same. we've also got the same record as the pats.

steelers. the current 7-7 steelers are now a model for how to play?

indy - best example of the bunch.

philly - while they've been consistant, they've also consistantly NOT won a superbowl and only been there once.

so while maybe that's more than we've done lately, jones himself still has 3 rings for this modern "3 ring circus".

and i know we're not the Commanders, snyder is already fired his coaching staff while still in the season. how many times have we had fans wanting to do that also? THAT would be the biggest sign of not staying with a plan.

 

[Alexander]

patriots are on the downside of that plan and years of losing players and personel are taking their toll as much as the hits on brady are doing the same. we've also got the same record as the pats.

steelers. the current 7-7 steelers are now a model for how to play?

indy - best example of the bunch.

philly - while they've been consistant, they've also consistantly NOT won a superbowl and only been there once.

so while maybe that's more than we've done lately, jones himself still has 3 rings for this modern "3 ring circus".

And absolutely nothing to show for the last 13 years. There is no "maybe" about it.

All of the teams above have either won multiple championships or have competed for the championship multiple times during that time frame.

You cannot have it both ways. On one hand you laud the three rings but then downplay the Steelers because they are having a tough time defending their championship this season and minimalize the Patriots because they have the same record as we do.

 

[Section446]

I'll take them over Shanahan.

 

[zrinkill]

What do the Patriots, Steelers, Indy and Philly have in common?

The best QB's in there division during their runs.

 

[iceberg]

And absolutely nothing to show for the last 13 years. There is no "maybe" about it.

All of the teams above have either won multiple championships or have competed for the championship multiple times during that time frame.

You cannot have it both ways. On one hand you laud the three rings but then downplay the Steelers because they are having a tough time defending their championship this season and minimalize the Patriots because they have the same record as we do.

oh now let's not confused one for the other. in dallas if you don't win the superbowl it's a bad season. so yea, 13 bad seasons. i understand the steelers. but if these plans were bulletproof...

but the eagles? if we use the same measuring stick, crash/burn.

pats and steelers sure. and i agree a few bad years does not a cowboys bad time make.

so i think jones has had a plan it just didn't/hasn't worked out.

i also think the pats yes are on a downside. who knows how long and if i'm right or wrong. years will tell us that, not a posting today.

i just find it funny some fans want long term plans and some fans wanna fire someone every week. the dynamics there can just kill me at times.

 

[Alexander]

oh now let's not confused one for the other. in dallas if you don't win the superbowl it's a bad season. so yea, 13 bad seasons. i understand the steelers. but if these plans were bulletproof...

but the eagles? if we use the same measuring stick, crash/burn.

pats and steelers sure. and i agree a few bad years does not a cowboys bad time make.

so i think jones has had a plan it just didn't/hasn't worked out.

i also think the pats yes are on a downside. who knows how long and if i'm right or wrong. years will tell us that, not a posting today.

i just find it funny some fans want long term plans and some fans wanna fire someone every week. the dynamics there can just kill me at times.

Using the Super Bowl to define success or failure is a fruitless exercise. Even our best run in the 1970s until the 1980s only featured five Super Bowls.

I would have taken the kind of success the Eagles have had over the past decade plus.

And sticking with a long term plan is optimal, but hardly realistic in today's NFL.

Coaches like Reid and Fisher are a rarity. And of course, they all started somewhere and sprung from a revolving door.

I believe Andy Reid could quit tomorrow and the Eagles could continue, just as the Steelers have minus Tomlin and the Colts have without Dungy. Remind you, we are talking about a club competing, year in and year out. All of these teams have a competent personnel chief in charge. Do we? It all comes down to making the right hire and having a sound organizational vision to back it up.

You will have a very tough time convincing me that Jerry Jones has that hire in Wade Phillips and has that sound vision based off a business model he has proven to fail with for the past thirteen seasons.

 

[iceberg]

Using the Super Bowl to define success or failure is a fruitless exercise. Even our best run in the 1970s until the 1980s only featured five Super Bowls.

I would have taken the kind of success the Eagles have had over the past decade plus.

And sticking with a long term plan is optimal, but hardly realistic in today's NFL.

Coaches like Reid and Fisher are a rarity. And of course, they all started somewhere and sprung from a revolving door.

I believe Andy Reid could quit tomorrow and the Eagles could continue, just as the Steelers have minus Tomlin and the Colts have without Dungy. Remind you, we are talking about a club competing, year in and year out. All of these teams have a competent personnel chief in charge. Do we? It all comes down to making the right hire and having a sound organizational vision to back it up.

You will have a very tough time convincing me that Jerry Jones has that hire in Wade Phillips and has that sound vision based off a business model he has proven to fail with for the past thirteen seasons.

well not what i'm trying to do, more just philosophy in general.

if reid quit tomorrow i'm not sure the eagles would carry on past a few years w/o another strong coach in his place.

i don't ever think it was all dungy in indy. cowher - how many years did he NOT win before he finally won?

as for taking the success of the eagles over the last decade - i wouldn't. if we could trade 10 years for 10 years maybe but what's the point? we can't. and if we could i'd have to say we'd need to swap histories overall, not just the parts that prove a singular point.

would you take the eagles overall success over our own?

not me. not even close. so while the last 13 years have sucked the eggs out of chickens butt, i'll live through the lows because of the highs as well.

 

[dfense]

Taken from another forum: As per sirius NFL Network. Heard this in the morning that Jerry had these two coaches on his wish list. I hate to talk about this after a great win but personally even if we won a Super Bowl with Phillips I am not a fan of his as a head coach. On the other hand I would love either of those two, esp Cowher and the toughness he would bring. They were saying Fisher might be fired at seasons end.

I fined that interesting considering Cowher basically ripped the whole organization after the SanDiego loss. He especially went after JJ, basically saying the Cowboys need a football man to run the show blah blah.

Personally, I'd hate to see him waving his fist every week spitting and yelling "Let's go! Let's go! on the sideline.

That whole rah rah college shtick is way overrated.

 

[zrinkill]

i'll live through the lows because of the highs as well.

 

[Alexander]

i don't ever think it was all dungy in indy. cowher - how many years did he NOT win before he finally won?

Again, you are putting all of your eggs in the Super Bowl basket. Like I said, it is fruitless to wish for that. Sustained success (playoff appearances and wins, division titles) is what is a better measuring stick otherwise you are going to be mightily disappointed. Dungy established a winning tradition. So did Cowher. Both were similar to Landry, who also went through his "loser" phase.

as for taking the success of the eagles over the last decade - i wouldn't. if we could trade 10 years for 10 years maybe but what's the point? we can't. and if we could i'd have to say we'd need to swap histories overall, not just the parts that prove a singular point.

Our history and tradition does not do a single thing to help us right now any more than the Raiders' does them. I would absolutely take the Eagles' last 13 years over our's and remember the dynasties fondly but not use that to forge my thoughts on the here and now.

would you take the eagles overall success over our own?

It is irrelevant to what I am discussing, I really have no idea where you are going with this line of thought.

I don't cling to the past to legitimize what is being done right here and right now. Jerry Jones certainly did not take any pride in overall success when he started out. Apparently you believe that counts for something. Strange how you do that and then decide the measuring stick is right now when comparing other franchises. Just say you are waving a banner for the glory of the franchise and be done with it.

not me. not even close. so while the last 13 years have sucked the eggs out of chickens butt, i'll live through the lows because of the highs as well.

This does not even qualify for a low. It has been thirteen years of sustained mediocrity which is in direct contrast to the sustained success of the other organizations were are discussing. When you hit the depths, it is easier to feel good about the future because you know that it should eventually arc back to the top.

I am not certain if we continue with the way the business model exists now that we are going to do that. If we fail to make the playoffs and win a game now, the best course of action is to dismantle and rebuild with a new model, one that is like what 29 other franchises follow.

 

[iceberg]

It is irrelevant to what I am discussing, I really have no idea where you are going with this line of thought.

didn't you say:
I would have taken the kind of success the Eagles have had over the past decade plus.


so if you would have taken their success, then it's relevant.

 

[Alexander]

didn't you say:
I would have taken the kind of success the Eagles have had over the past decade plus.


so if you would have taken their success, then it's relevant.

I did not say I would take the last 13 years of the Eagles over our history. The only person who was referring to the history/tradition was you. You factor in the Super Bowls prior to that when evaluating things now.

I was speaking directly to the last 13 years. The cap era.

I would absolutely take the sustained success of the Eagles over our mediocrity in the same time frame.

 

[iceberg]

I did not say I would take the last 13 years of the Eagles over our history. The only person who was referring to the history/tradition was you. You factor in the Super Bowls prior to that when evaluating things now.

I was speaking directly to the last 13 years. The cap era.

I would absolutely take the sustained success of the Eagles over our mediocrity in the same time frame.

ok - that's what i thought and i disagree. i don't think we can take a good set of years and "plug and play" history - so i look at it all encompassing.

would i rather have the eagles entire history or our own?

our own, hands down.

i'm not putting down the eagles success over the last decade. far from it. i'm just not limiting the window to "cherry pick" interchangable history.