Running Back Top Priority

[baj1dallas]

Ok having quality corners means nothing I'm sorry but i haven't seen a team win because they had 3 quality corners.

the Patriots were an interception away from winning the superbowl...they had two good running backs and that wasn't enough.

 

[baj1dallas]

The saints spent the #2 pick on reggie bush when they already had Duece Mcallister and Aaronn stecker. RB's aren't a dime a dozen some are cuts above the rest theres no need for me to go into that. Also AP was drafted 7th by the Vikings when they already had Chester Taylor why didn't they just say heck we can get RB in 5th and just ride Chester Taylor ?

how many Superbowls have they won?

 

[gimmesix]

Also, let's say we do miss on a RB by not taking one in the first round and it's determined Barber can't carry the ball more than 15 times a game. If that happens, can we not alter our game plan to pass the ball more?

Now, let's say we miss on a CB by not taking one in the first round and none of our unproven backups proves anything. Can we expect other teams to alter their game plans and only run two-receiver sets for us?

It is imperative that we add a capable CB.

 

[Hostile]

Also, let's say we do miss on a RB by not taking one in the first round and it's determined Barber can't carry the ball more than 15 times a game. If that happens, can we not alter our game plan to pass the ball more?

Now, let's say we miss on a CB by not taking one in the first round and none of our unproven backups proves anything. Can we expect other teams to alter their game plans and only run two-receiver sets for us?

It is imperative that we add a capable CB.

Common sense, thy partner is gimmesix.

 

[jjktkk]

Assuming Glenn is healthy is a big assumption, IMO hes about done. Our so called depth at wr is young and unproven. Besides Crayton, we have a converted college qb and 2 guys that wern't even drafted. I like the young wr's, but we do need a upgrade. We also need a solid rb to split duties with Barber. No depth at cb after Reeves and Jones left, so drafting a cb or 2 is a necessity. The cowboys will probably use their top 3 picks for those 3 positions.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

This is why corner is a top priority.:
1)Yes we have a shutdown corner in Newman, who after this season will be 30 yr old. We have a solid second corner that hasn't made it through a season healthy yet for the Cowboys who will be 30 or 31 next year.

2) We have no nickel corner just in case one of our 30 yr old guys gets injured or miss any time.

3)In today's game more offenses are moving to the 3 wr sets and are becoming heavy pass oriented so your 3rd corner is essentially a starter.


4)The Cowboys love to play Newman in the slot when we are in the nickel, that puts our nickel corner on either the #1 or #2 WR most of the time. We need a guy who can handle that responsibility. It was painfully obvious the Reeves couldn't do the job.


Now lets look at the RB position. We have our franchise back in Barber. The RB position is so deep this year that we could possibly get a stud not just a guy, but a stud out of the 2nd or 3rd rd.

If Henry wasn't injury prone I could see your point but he is, and he's getting up there in age so it would be critical that we prepare ourselves if this was to happen again by bringing in the best option at CB that will be available while we are on the clock.

That is a good point i didn't think of it like that however like i continue to say there isn't any team that has 3 Cb capable of starting and they still find ways to beat this pass happy league. To proclaim CB as top priority when we alrady have Newman and Henry there is ridic. But you know MB3 being our only RB there's no problem with that. Ah what am i saying RB's are dime a dozen however we keep getting the RB's that don't go over 1,000 yards.

A backup running back is on the field for around 25 percent of the offensive plays.

A backup (third) cornerback is on the field for around 40 percent of the defensive plays.

A backup running back will get about 7 to 10 carries a game.

A backup cornerback will be targeted on every play if he isn't any good.

How did the Giants race downfield right before halftime of the playoff game ... by targeting the third corner. If you have a quality third corner, teams can't match up players like Steve Smith against them and constantly go after the corner.

We have to hit on third corner or teams will kill us on second-and-long and third down. We can miss on second running back and still have a productive running game.

I recall Eli MAnning have time to throw in the pocket. Honestly if you have a pass defense problem you blitz and pressure the QB to cover up that weakness. It doesn't matter who we get to be our 3rd corner if the QB has all day in the pocket.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

A 3rd corner back is going play in at least 40% of the snaps... a 2nd string RB? Maybe 1/2 that amount. That in itself necessitates having more than dog doo-doo for a 3rd corner. And with Henry never playing a full 16 game slate-- the need for a better than average corner escalates.

Offenses can neutralize a heavy blitz package with 3-step drops, and if you don't have guys that can stick to their man for at least that time period then you're screwed-- especially if you're playing 7 yards off the receiver-- but that's another whole argument.

 

[BrassCowboy]

how many Superbowls have they won?

why didn't i think of that

 

[BrassCowboy]

That is a good point i didn't think of it like that however like i continue to say there isn't any team that has 3 Cb capable of starting and they still find ways to beat this pass happy league. To proclaim CB as top priority when we alrady have Newman and Henry there is ridic. But you know MB3 being our only RB there's no problem with that. Ah what am i saying RB's are dime a dozen however we keep getting the RB's that don't go over 1,000 yards.

What kind of running back are you looking for? We have our 1000+ RB on our roster, he is MBIII. You completely disregard the fact that Julius Jones started every game, and that he took a large portion of the handoffs to no avail. Wasted runs I say. You throw that "lack of 1000 yard runner" statement out there like it means something. Give MBIII the ball more, thats the answer.

With MBIII, who is clearly a much better RB, I think we should rid ourselves of that two back system altogether. With a two back system, we just need a good prospect RB to back him up, and yes - in this draft, there are a lot of them and you can get one in 2nd round. If we dumped the two back system and went with MBIII, he would get atleast 1400 yards I believe. Stop throwing that "we have no 1000 yard RB" statement out there because we watched last year too and it is obvious why.

So if we go back to one, we can just draft a RB in round 4 or later

I recall Eli MAnning have time to throw in the pocket. Honestly if you have a pass defense problem you blitz and pressure the QB to cover up that weakness. It doesn't matter who we get to be our 3rd corner if the QB has all day in the pocket.

I will agree and say every team needs a def front pressuring the QB, but we do not blitz every down and how many teams have more pass rushers than we do. You can argue better guys on teams like Giants, and I would say what you are trying to say we need a DE with the first pick huh?

ok top priority is a DE, and second pick will have to be another OLB because Spenser and Ellis just is not enough.

Your whole comparison of us to the rest of the league about 3rd corner being quality does not fly because we have NO third cornerback. If you thought we got burned last year with Reeves, wait til this year if we do not get someone better than him. Remember, Reeves was picked on and it paid off for the Giants.

Look at when Deion Sanders was on our team, using your argument you could of argued "but we have the best CB on our team, what do we need another one for" What did opposing teams do? They threw all the passes Kevin Smith's way and it worked. Basically eliminated Deion's effectiveness. That is what Giants did with Reeves. Basically reduced the effectiveness of Henry and Newman, taking them out the picture. Throw Reeves way.

You tell me as a defensive coordinator, what do you do in the above situation to offset that strategy. Do you send more closer to the def. line to blitz? Yeah right, leaving the only thing from the opponent and a TD is a 3rd string CB who is barely servicable. No! you put more DBs back there because of trust. Did you trust Reeves last year? Would you? Even more, do you trust this Ball dude to go ahead and leave him alone so you can blitz? sorry if this sounds crude, but if you say yes to that, you are an absolute idiot and this conversation would of went from intellectual to just stupidity.

 

[BrassCowboy]

Hell this argument is so clear on what position is truly highest priority that one could argue that WR is needed more than RB.

Terry Glenn is finished in my opinion. After TO, it is question marks. Crayton has done a halfway decent job last year as the 2nd guy but the third and 4th WR real questions arise and we all were hoping Glenn would be back to take that 2nd WR spot back because it was lacking that spark.

Wait, I forgot. Teams do not need a 3rd, 4th, or 5th WR because that would mean the opponent would need a third and 4th corner covering them and no team has those.

 

[Stash]

Again, someone sees what they want to see, despite all evidence to the contrary.

Funny how improving the pass coverage turns into 'better pash rush'

So by that argument, a better running attack should stem from 'better line play'

So I guess this argument should really be about an offensive lineman being the top priority right?

 

[Maxmadden]

Again, someone sees what they want to see, despite all evidence to the contrary.

Funny how improving the pass coverage turns into 'better pash rush'

So by that argument, a better running attack should stem from 'better line play'

So I guess this argument should really be about an offensive lineman being the top priority right?

Your right, the game is won in the trenches. We just have the luxury this year to argue about who we should be drafting as back ups.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Again, someone sees what they want to see, despite all evidence to the contrary.

Funny how improving the pass coverage turns into 'better pash rush'

So by that argument, a better running attack should stem from 'better line play'

So I guess this argument should really be about an offensive lineman being the top priority right?

Stash... if you read the responses from the person that started this thread you'll see that the direction you alluded to is the direction this person is headed. We've gone from RB being a clear need over CB, to pass-rush specialist's being a clear need period.

The next logical step this person will take would be to make the claim that more/better offensive lineman are clearly needed.

So instead of focusing the first say 4 picks of the draft on CB, RB, WR... this person will be suggesting that we spend 2 picks on DE/OLB and 2 on the OL.

If offensive line/defensive line play was clearly the begining & ending to winning Super Bowls, then teams would never draft CB's, WR's, RB's in the first couple rounds-- ever.

 

[BrassCowboy]

Again, someone sees what they want to see, despite all evidence to the contrary.

Funny how improving the pass coverage turns into 'better pash rush'

So by that argument, a better running attack should stem from 'better line play'

So I guess this argument should really be about an offensive lineman being the top priority right?

that is what it appears to be

edit: didn't see it before posting this, but exactly what Michael Winiki said above.

 

[Clove]

1. Very few rookie corners will be of any use the 1st year.
2. If you have 3 Deion Sanders and no pressure up front, it's wasted money.
3. Why was Reeves playing Corner and not slot?
4. Agree on the RB situation.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

1. Very few rookie corners will be of any use the 1st year.
2. If you have 3 Deion Sanders and no pressure up front, it's wasted money.
3. Why was Reeves playing Corner and not slot?
4. Agree on the RB situation.

1. Perhaps you could list the positions that are of any use the 1st year?

2. Are you saying having 3 Deion Sanders wouldn't translate into more pressure up front?

3. Reeves never played the slot receiver, from the time Tuna was coaching the team. My own inexperienced view of the situation is that Reeves was fast enough to cover the slot but not quick enough. He didn't have the quickness to do an adequate job there.

 

[StarHead69]

RB Julius Jones
10.2 carries per game @ 3.6 yards per carry
1.4 catches @ 8.8 yards per catch
3 runs of 20+ yards
2 rushing TD's
2 catches of 20+ yards
0 receiving TD's

We won 13 games with this kind of production from Julius Jones. I believe that we can find a significant upgrade in the 2nd and even late in the third round of this draft. Who in their right mind would consider this our top priority?

 

[TheCount]

1. Very few rookie corners will be of any use the 1st year.
2. If you have 3 Deion Sanders and no pressure up front, it's wasted money.
3. Why was Reeves playing Corner and not slot?
4. Agree on the RB situation.

1. 1st round corners often play a lot the first year, look at the 1st rounders taken last year, they saw plenty of action.

2. Ever heard of a "coverage sack"? I mean never with the Cowboys, since our coverage sucked last year, but it does happen.

3. The better question is why would the team move the best corner on our team to guard the slot receiver, often taking him off the team's BEST receiver to do so.

4. No one is saying we don't need depth at RB, everyone is saying we don't need to take one with the 22nd pick, or even in the first round. Unless we get a shot at DMAC or Mendenhall, there is absolutely no sense in drafting one in the first. Somehow Chris Johnson's Assistant Pimp has turned this into a "OMG, you guys don't want to draft a RB??!!"

 

[sago1]

Agree that CB is #1 problem but that's because we've got 2 CBs (one will be 33 & the other turns 30) and nobody viable behind either in a time when most NFL teams go with 3 WRs. Both missed several games last year & Newman needs new contract after 08 season & Henry's is in 4th year of his 5 year deal. If we don't draft a quality CB this year when it's a good draft for CBs, we'll have even more secondary problems then last year.

Don't know how to evaluate our need at RB vs WR but both must be addressed in high rounds this year. Can't understand how we have this problem at all 3 skill positions but we lucky it's a good year to fill them. Can't understand how any one can dismiss our WR needs. Why is anyone assuming Glenn will contribute this year & TO will stay healthy? If our passing game is limited because aren't viable open targets for Romo, our offense won't score a lot of points & does anybody believe our defense will win lots of games for us. Also don't forget how several opponents were able to take TO out of the game which did limit our passing game; fortunatley Romo in most instances still got the job done. So WR is a big need & we will find out how bad it can get if we wait til late in the draft for a developmental. Stanbach is a developmental and we haven't a clue if he can contribute a lot despite coaching liking him.

RB is also a big need cause MBIII isn't a full time back and we've got nobody behind him. We definitely need another good RB who can share the load and it would help if this guy had a lot of speed, good hands who could also block well.

How we draft to satisfy these needs will depend on whose available when our turn comes and whether the need is so great we trade up (like for a good CB?). With 2 first rounders, hopefully we can satisfy 2 of our 3 needs & can fill the 3rd need in the 2nd round. One big problem is that we've got a very late round pick so the players we want might not be available.

 

[Clove]

1. Perhaps you could list the positions that are of any use the 1st year?

2. Are you saying having 3 Deion Sanders wouldn't translate into more pressure up front?

Answer: Sometimes, not as much as you think.

3. Reeves never played the slot receiver, from the time Tuna was coaching the team. My own inexperienced view of the situation is that Reeves was fast enough to cover the slot but not quick enough. He didn't have the quickness to do an adequate job there.

1. Perhaps you could list the positions that are of any use the 1st year?
:Not many, if any:

2. Are you saying having 3 Deion Sanders wouldn't translate into more pressure up front?
:sometimes, but not often enough Pressure up front is the start and finish of a great defense: IMO

3. Reeves never played the slot receiver, from the time Tuna was coaching the team. My own inexperienced view of the situation is that Reeves was fast enough to cover the slot but not quick enough. He didn't have the quickness to do an adequate job there.
:And we've had a mediocre defense since Tuna has been here. I know they like matching the 3rd receiver with our best corner, but give me a break. This same stunt cost us the game playing the deadskin when they scored 2 consecutive touch downs against our 3RD receiver, Glenn: