Running Back Top Priority

[BrassCowboy]

2. Are you saying having 3 Deion Sanders wouldn't translate into more pressure up front?
:sometimes, but not often enough Pressure up front is the start and finish of a great defense: IMO

so you are saying that instead of filling that needed CB slot, we should draft a defensive lineman instead?
That is what I keep hearing.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

1. Perhaps you could list the positions that are of any use the 1st year?
:Not many, if any:

2. Are you saying having 3 Deion Sanders wouldn't translate into more pressure up front?
:sometimes, but not often enough Pressure up front is the start and finish of a great defense: IMO

3. Reeves never played the slot receiver, from the time Tuna was coaching the team. My own inexperienced view of the situation is that Reeves was fast enough to cover the slot but not quick enough. He didn't have the quickness to do an adequate job there.
:And we've had a mediocre defense since Tuna has been here. I know they like matching the 3rd receiver with our best corner, but give me a break. This same stunt cost us the game playing the deadskin when they scored 2 consecutive touch downs against our 3RD receiver, Glenn:

OK. You made it sound like somehow corners were somehow less impactful than any other 1st year player.

But the fact is, it's not the regular season that we have to be concerned about-- it's the playoff time 2009. And I'm thinking that if you take a corner, who's a high draft pick, by the time the playoffs come around they're probably going to be in a much better position to help this team.

But keep in mind that folks like Everson Walls, Larry Brown, Kevin Smith and Newman all contributed big time as rookie corners-- as a matter of fact all were starters for playoff teams during their rookie campaigns.

And of course pressure is important, but this Cowboy defense was 3rd in sacks this season. What's going to be easier to accomplish at this point-- create even more pressure or improve the defense's ability to cover? Considering the defense was 13th against the pass I think the answer is pretty obvious.

You know teams, with multiple weapons on offense do have the ability to put a better offensive player on a poorer defensive player-- it does happen.

Maybe the answer is that you have better players at corner behind the starters?

 

[Angus]

The coaches know, but does anyone on the board know what Dallas already has in Ball (corner), Stanback ( WR), and Coleman (RB)? Unless you do you can't assess Dallas' most vital needs very intelligently.

So this argument is somewhat pointless, it seems.

 

[Angus]

The coaches know, but does anyone on the board know what Dallas already has in Ball (corner), Stanback ( WR), and Coleman (RB)? Unless you do, it appears you can't assess Dallas' most vital needs very intelligently.

If not, this argument is somewhat pointless, it seems.

P.S.: I do think Barber may be better suited to be a second back rather than a starter. But it is guess work.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

The coaches know, but does anyone on the board know what Dallas already has in Ball (corner), Stanback ( WR), and Coleman (RB)? Unless you do, it appears you can't assess Dallas' most vital needs very intelligently.

If not, this argument is somewhat pointless, it seems.

P.S.: I do think Barber may be better suited to be a second back rather than a starter. But it is guess work.

You know you make a very, very valid point.

The only position that you noted that actually has a full compliment of players at this point is WR. We're undermanned at both CB and RB.

The first day of the draft will tell us all we need to know about what the Cowboys' brain trust thinks of the team's weaknesses.

By the end of the second round we'll all know.

 

[Clove]

OK. You made it sound like somehow corners were somehow less impactful than any other 1st year player.

But the fact is, it's not the regular season that we have to be concerned about-- it's the playoff time 2009. And I'm thinking that if you take a corner, who's a high draft pick, by the time the playoffs come around they're probably going to be in a much better position to help this team.

But keep in mind that folks like Everson Walls, Larry Brown, Kevin Smith and Newman all contributed big time as rookie corners-- as a matter of fact all were starters for playoff teams during their rookie campaigns.

And of course pressure is important, but this Cowboy defense was 3rd in sacks this season. What's going to be easier to accomplish at this point-- create even more pressure or improve the defense's ability to cover? Considering the defense was 13th against the pass I think the answer is pretty obvious.

You know teams, with multiple weapons on offense do have the ability to put a better offensive player on a poorer defensive player-- it does happen.

Maybe the answer is that you have better players at corner behind the starters?

I agree we need corners, but I don't think it's so major that we'll die if we don't draft on 1st round.

I think WR is a bigger need than corner, I think we can still find a corner on the cheap somewhere.

I think we need an infusion of speed on the defense up front, and somehow need to figure out how to get consistant pressure, maybe we need a new something up front like NG or DE or something.

 

[TheCount]

I agree we need corners, but I don't think it's so major that we'll die if we don't draft on 1st round.

I think WR is a bigger need than corner, I think we can still find a corner on the cheap somewhere.

I think we need an infusion of speed on the defense up front, and somehow need to figure out how to get consistant pressure, maybe we need a new something up front like NG or DE or something.

If you want speed, looking at the NG and DE position in a 3-4 probably isn't the best place.

 

[Goldenrichards83]

The coaches know, but does anyone on the board know what Dallas already has in Ball (corner), Stanback ( WR), and Coleman (RB)? Unless you do, it appears you can't assess Dallas' most vital needs very intelligently.

If not, this argument is somewhat pointless, it seems.

P.S.: I do think Barber may be better suited to be a second back rather than a starter. But it is guess work.

Being that the first 3 guys they are bringing in for a closer look are Cason, Talib and DRC should give us a very good guess that corners are at the top of the list.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I agree we need corners, but I don't think it's so major that we'll die if we don't draft on 1st round.

I think if the Cowboys draft a corner in the 1st round that it's a sign that they may think that it's more important than perhaps you do.

 

[Angus]

I think that's logical, but Dallas has been known to lay down a smoke screen regarding the draft.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Stash... if you read the responses from the person that started this thread you'll see that the direction you alluded to is the direction this person is headed. We've gone from RB being a clear need over CB, to pass-rush specialist's being a clear need period.

The next logical step this person will take would be to make the claim that more/better offensive lineman are clearly needed.

So instead of focusing the first say 4 picks of the draft on CB, RB, WR... this person will be suggesting that we spend 2 picks on DE/OLB and 2 on the OL.

If offensive line/defensive line play was clearly the begining & ending to winning Super Bowls, then teams would never draft CB's, WR's, RB's in the first couple rounds-- ever.

If we had a higher pick i do believe we would go DLine man. If your happy with the play on our DLine thats you i'm not that blind and don't have my homer shades on at the moment. Don't assume things about me thank you.

1. 1st round corners often play a lot the first year, look at the 1st rounders taken last year, they saw plenty of action.

look at the teams they we're on.

2. Ever heard of a "coverage sack"? I mean never with the Cowboys, since our coverage sucked last year, but it does happen.

so this our brilliant new defensive strategy bank on coverage sacks.

3. The better question is why would the team move the best corner on our team to guard the slot receiver, often taking him off the team's BEST receiver to do so.

It's harder to cover the slot there's more open space and the sidelines restricts the movement of the WR.

4. No one is saying we don't need depth at RB, everyone is saying we don't need to take one with the 22nd pick, or even in the first round. Unless we get a shot at DMAC or Mendenhall, there is absolutely no sense in drafting one in the first. Somehow Chris Johnson's Assistant Pimp has turned this into a "OMG, you guys don't want to draft a RB??!!"

You keep bringing this up do you want to be one of his pimps ?

The coaches know, but does anyone on the board know what Dallas already has in Ball (corner), Stanback ( WR), and Coleman (RB)? Unless you do, it appears you can't assess Dallas' most vital needs very intelligently.

If not, this argument is somewhat pointless, it seems.

P.S.: I do think Barber may be better suited to be a second back rather than a starter. But it is guess work.

Pointless i don't think so even though we do not know the in's and out's like the coach we can still formulate our opinions i mean thats the point of this message board to discuss the cowboys other wise you wouldn't have posted so much =)


OK. You made it sound like somehow corners were somehow less impactful than any other 1st year player.

But the fact is, it's not the regular season that we have to be concerned about-- it's the playoff time 2009. And I'm thinking that if you take a corner, who's a high draft pick, by the time the playoffs come around they're probably going to be in a much better position to help this team.

But keep in mind that folks like Everson Walls, Larry Brown, Kevin Smith and Newman all contributed big time as rookie corners-- as a matter of fact all were starters for playoff teams during their rookie campaigns.

And of course pressure is important, but this Cowboy defense was 3rd in sacks this season. What's going to be easier to accomplish at this point-- create even more pressure or improve the defense's ability to cover? Considering the defense was 13th against the pass I think the answer is pretty obvious.

You know teams, with multiple weapons on offense do have the ability to put a better offensive player on a poorer defensive player-- it does happen.

Maybe the answer is that you have better players at corner behind the starters?

How many of those sacks came from Dline men?

Lets see Generic Team A has Weapon has X and we have Answer Y we match up perfectly with them only way to stop them is for our Dline to get pressure on the QB.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Being that the first 3 guys they are bringing in for a closer look are Cason, Talib and DRC should give us a very good guess that corners are at the top of the list.

they also brought in beau bell but i like how u changed it to suit you argument

 

[TheCount]

This is just hilarious at this point. You have absolutely zero ability to see this discussion from any angle other than the one you've predetermined.

You've got an answer for everything, regardless of whether a point is made or not. And I use the term "answer", loosely.

You're also absolutely the wrong one to criticize someone about changing a fact to suit their agenda.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

This is just hilarious at this point. You have absolutely zero ability to see this discussion from any angle other than the one you've predetermined.

You've got an answer for everything, regardless of whether a point is made or not. And I use the term "answer", loosely.

You're also absolutely the wrong one to criticize someone about changing a fact to suit their agenda.

What facts have i changed to suit my agenda? I see and understand the other side of the argument i don't believe in nor do i feel what i'm saying is wrong and will not change my mind on the matter.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

How many of those sacks came from Dline men?

Lets see Generic Team A has Weapon has X and we have Answer Y we match up perfectly with them only way to stop them is for our Dline to get pressure on the QB.

Hey, I'm not happy with the number of sacks supplied by Spears and to a lesser extent Canty but in the 3-4, as you know, the defensive linemen are not going to supply big sack numbers.

The fact is this defense was 3rd in sacks but only 13th against the pass. It's pretty clear that we're not as good in coverage as we are pressuring the QB.

On top of that we have starters on the d-line in their mid-20's. We have one corner older than 30 and the other close to 30. We also have all returning backups to the dline, while the corner position is down by two players.

I think the direction the team will be going early in the draft is pretty clear. One may argue the point, but I'm betting, it's a pointless argument when all is said and done.

And as for your other statment. At this point we don't match up with any team running an effective 3-wide set.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Hey, I'm not happy with the number of sacks supplied by Spears and to a lesser extent Canty but in the 3-4, as you know, the defensive linemen are not going to supply big sack numbers.

The fact is this defense was 3rd in sacks but only 13th against the pass. It's pretty clear that we're not as good in coverage as we are pressuring the QB.

On top of that we have starters on the d-line in their mid-20's. We have one corner older than 30 and the other close to 30. We also have all returning backups to the dline, while the corner position is down by two players.

I think the direction the team will be going early in the draft is pretty clear. One may argue the point, but I'm betting, it's a pointless argument when all is said and done.

And as for your other statment. At this point we don't match up with any team running an effective 3-wide set.

So you we're expecting more from Canty than Spears? We are 3rd in sacks but the pressure form our Dline can still be improved upon. I don't care if your 20 or 40 if you can play you can play if you can't go to Oakland lol. This is true however and i stress this can't stop stressing it no team matches up to an effective 3-wide set. If we use the Patriots as an example since they had the best offense Welker Moss and Stallworth was unstoppable. Only way to beat that is to put the QB on his back the same thing goes for Peyton Manning. If they go 3 WR thats one less blocker.

 

[TheCount]

What facts have i changed to suit my agenda? I see and understand the other side of the argument i don't believe in nor do i feel what i'm saying is wrong and will not change my mind on the matter.

Then why start the thread?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

So you we're expecting more from Canty than Spears? We are 3rd in sacks but the pressure form our Dline can still be improved upon. I don't care if your 20 or 40 if you can play you can play if you can't go to Oakland lol. This is true however and i stress this can't stop stressing it no team matches up to an effective 3-wide set. If we use the Patriots as an example since they had the best offense Welker Moss and Stallworth was unstoppable. Only way to beat that is to put the QB on his back the same thing goes for Peyton Manning. If they go 3 WR thats one less blocker.

Sure the pressure can be better from the dline on 1st & 2nd downs.

But the Cowboys are not going to be replacing Canty in 2008-- book it.

Could Spears be replaced by Ratliff or Tank? Yes. But a replacement for the nose won't come in the first round.

 

[Stash]

What facts have i changed to suit my agenda? I see and understand the other side of the argument i don't believe in nor do i feel what i'm saying is wrong and will not change my mind on the matter.

Hey, don't.

Just prepare for disappointment on draft day when the guys making the decisions don't agree with you either.

The part where you hypocritically attribute coverage to pass rush yet disregard the same point of offensive line to running game is my favorite.

 

[Goldenrichards83]

they also brought in beau bell but i like how u changed it to suit you argument

I changed what? Aren't these the guys they are bringing in? This is a fact not a guess.

We have given you reason after reason some you agree with and you still don't see why CB is the top priority?

By the way, you speak of Anthony Henry like he will be healthy the entire season when he hasn't done it yet since we have sign him and he's going on 32 yrs old. After 9 pages of very good reasons are you still telling me you don't understand why corner is a top priority?