Running Back Top Priority

[FuzzyLumpkins]

i dont wnat a full time back. If you have to give a bakc 300 carries they break down after a few seasons. It just doenst make sense. If we want to utilize Barber long term then we need to get a back that can get 10+ carries a game to reduce Barbers load.

Everyone gets fixated on the change of pace moniker but Charles and Johnson carried the ball 20 times a game last season. Jones is the only one that could be construed as a change of pace type guy. They all just happen to be fast.

 

[jterrell]

This really isn't that difficult.

CB is the most critical position for depth and players that can contribute.

But WR and RB are more critical to get immediate impact players.

We have two good starters at CB. Barber is not a 20 carry back. We need a guy that can make an impact.

At WR, we are old and slow (Crayton, Hurd).

So the high draft picks need to go to WR and RB. I would pick up a vet corner if possible who is proven and draft at least 2 CBs in round 2-8. But I would lean toward WR and RB in round 1 (depending upon player availability).

WR is a legit target but this a weak WR draft and a very good CB draft.

There is little wisdom in reaching for a WR and ignoring a quality CB who will start for 10 years in this league. Whether we are talking Malcolm Kelly, DeSean Jackson, Mario Manningham James Hardy or Limas Sweed all the WRs have huge question marks attached. The CBs are all super fast guys who played well in college and then showed up the Senior Bowl workouts or at the combine.

RBs quite frankly are a dime a dozen. If anyone thinks the difference between Felix Jones and Jamaal Charles is enough to push into a Super Bowl they are sadly mistaken. Those 10 carries a game our backup gets going for an extra yard per carry doesn't mean much considering we have about 350 yards total offense most games. In fact it is quite likely the backup RB will help us most in the return game as a rookie.

 

[Beast_from_East]

This really isn't that difficult.

CB is the most critical position for depth and players that can contribute.

But WR and RB are more critical to get immediate impact players.

We have two good starters at CB. Barber is not a 20 carry back. We need a guy that can make an impact.

At WR, we are old and slow (Crayton, Hurd).

So the high draft picks need to go to WR and RB. I would pick up a vet corner if possible who is proven and draft at least 2 CBs in round 2-8. But I would lean toward WR and RB in round 1 (depending upon player availability).

I have to disagree.

CBs are at a premium, you are looking at $10 mill per yr for a good CB in free agency. There are only about 5 CBs that I would consider "starting material" their rookie year. Sadly, all will be drafted in the 1st round.

If we wait to the 2nd round for CBs, there will be none. We have to strike while the iron is hot and grab a pair of CBs in the first round.

For Barbers money, he is going to get 75% of the carries. Thus, I dont think it is very smart to use a 1st round pick on a RB that is only going to get 25% of the carries. We can find guys in the 2nd and 3rd that will do that just fine.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

QUOTE
"If people didn't insist that we needed 3 quality starter type question i wouldn't continue to ask the question that i am failing to get a response to."

Let me try and answer this one for you, but read it slowly so maybe you can get it.

No one in the leauge has 3 quality starters. BUT, most teams have a 3rd corner, we do not.

Most teams have a 4th corner, we do not.

Both our 3rd and 4th corners are gone via free agency.

So can you see why it might be a top priority, given all the other reasons members have given you and the fact that is what was our biggest weakness last year.

Please move CJ to the 28th spot and let us have a CB at 22.

Thanks

We still have about 5 Corners on the roster.

We need to upgrade at corner bro. But you are right the lack of pressure has not helped. Give Spencer this year things will be different.

Thats cool but how does that improve the pass rush that our Dline generates

 

[the kid 05]

That's funny because the super bowl chamions past 5 years all had shaky secondaries and i don't care how fast pass how much people throw the ball football is football and if you win the battle at the line of scrimmage you win the game.

so your saying we need to upgrade our lines now?

yes football is football no one said it was baseball. mods where did the no drunk posting emote go?

 

[Hostile]

so your saying we need to upgrade our lines now?

yes football is football no one said it was baseball. mods where did the no drunk posting emote go?

:drunk:

Nowhere.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Screw RB and CB. We need another kicker and punter. Who do we have behind Nick Folk or Mat McBriar? So we need to draft a kicker with #22, and punter with #28. Superbowl here we come!!!!

 

[BrassCowboy]

This is why corner is a top priority.:
1)Yes we have a shutdown corner in Newman, who after this season will be 30 yr old. We have a solid second corner that hasn't made it through a season healthy yet for the Cowboys who will be 30 or 31 next year.

2) We have no nickel corner just in case one of our 30 yr old guys gets injured or miss any time.

3)In today's game more offenses are moving to the 3 wr sets and are becoming heavy pass oriented so your 3rd corner is essentially a starter.


4)The Cowboys love to play Newman in the slot when we are in the nickel, that puts our nickel corner on either the #1 or #2 WR most of the time. We need a guy who can handle that responsibility. It was painfully obvious the Reeves couldn't do the job.


Now lets look at the RB position. We have our franchise back in Barber. The RB position is so deep this year that we could possibly get a stud not just a guy, but a stud out of the 2nd or 3rd rd.

If Henry wasn't injury prone I could see your point but he is, and he's getting up there in age so it would be critical that we prepare ourselves if this was to happen again by bringing in the best option at CB that will be available while we are on the clock.

hey, you are wasting your time, trust me. that backup RB is way too important here to bother trying to convince anyone that we need just an able body to cover a third or 4th wr.

Don't bother bringing up facts that MBIII had to share carries last year, or that he actually played a good game the one time he finally got a chance to start. Forget trying to mention that no other team in the league that has a guy as good as MBIII would go after another high profile RB to replace him. Nor should you mention we just need a guy to COMPLEMENT MBIII. The agenda is set, but it is on the wrong table and come draft time we will all see that.

 

[BrassCowboy]

Screw RB and CB. We need another kicker and punter. Who do we have behind Nick Folk or Mat McBriar? So we need to draft a kicker with #22, and punter with #28. Superbowl here we come!!!!

 

[BrassCowboy]

so your saying we need to upgrade our lines now?

yes football is football no one said it was baseball. mods where did the no drunk posting emote go?

ok, so who can we get at #22 and #28 for our lines then now that we found out where the real problem lies. Maybe we should find out what great DE or tackle we could get for Newman and Henry seeing we don't need them either.

 

[BrassCowboy]

We still have about 5 Corners on the roster.

20 Ball, Alan CB 6-1 176 R Illinois 36 Butler, Quincy CB 6-1 185 1 TCU 37 Everett, Tyler CB 5-11 202 1 Ohio St 23 Oglesby, Evan CB 5-10 185 2 N Alabama 40 Phinisee, Justin CB 5-11 199 1 Oregon 43 Wishom, Jerron CB 6-0 197 2 Louisiana Tech
So which one of these guys do you think can cover? These guys couldn't cover my grandmother on crutches in the middle of winter.

Thats cool but how does that improve the pass rush that our Dline generates

last time I checked we were a 3-4 defense. it is the LBs that are the primary pass rushers. Not saying our linemen shouldn't or cannot, just saying it is a little tougher because they lineup against 5 guys. So Spenser, Ellis, Ware, and with the addition of that guy from Miami (forgot his name), we should be in great shape. We will see.

 

[BrassCowboy]

You win, congratulations.

:abuseme:

 

[Goldenrichards83]

This is why corner is a top priority.:
1)Yes we have a shutdown corner in Newman, who after this season will be 30 yr old. We have a solid second corner that hasn't made it through a season healthy yet for the Cowboys who will be 30 or 31 next year.

2) We have no nickel corner just in case one of our 30 yr old guys gets injured or miss any time.

3)In today's game more offenses are moving to the 3 wr sets and are becoming heavy pass oriented so your 3rd corner is essentially a starter.


4)The Cowboys love to play Newman in the slot when we are in the nickel, that puts our nickel corner on either the #1 or #2 WR most of the time. We need a guy who can handle that responsibility. It was painfully obvious the Reeves couldn't do the job.


Now lets look at the RB position. We have our franchise back in Barber. The RB position is so deep this year that we could possibly get a stud not just a guy, but a stud out of the 2nd or 3rd rd.

If Henry wasn't injury prone I could see your point but he is, and he's getting up there in age so it would be critical that we prepare ourselves if this was to happen again by bringing in the best option at CB that will be available while we are on the clock.

I never got the rebuttal to this.

 

[Beast_from_East]

20 Ball, Alan CB 6-1 176 R Illinois 36 Butler, Quincy CB 6-1 185 1 TCU 37 Everett, Tyler CB 5-11 202 1 Ohio St 23 Oglesby, Evan CB 5-10 185 2 N Alabama 40 Phinisee, Justin CB 5-11 199 1 Oregon 43 Wishom, Jerron CB 6-0 197 2 Louisiana Tech
So which one of these guys do you think can cover? These guys couldn't cover my grandmother on crutches in the middle of winter.


Are these guys from the practice squad? Outside of Ball I have never heard of any of these scrubs.

 

[Beast_from_East]

20 Ball, Alan CB 6-1 176 R Illinois 36 Butler, Quincy CB 6-1 185 1 TCU 37 Everett, Tyler CB 5-11 202 1 Ohio St 23 Oglesby, Evan CB 5-10 185 2 N Alabama 40 Phinisee, Justin CB 5-11 199 1 Oregon 43 Wishom, Jerron CB 6-0 197 2 Louisiana Tech
So which one of these guys do you think can cover? These guys couldn't cover my grandmother on crutches in the middle of winter.

We couldnt beat the freaking Cards with this crap on the field.

2 CBs in the first, I am convienced now.

 

[SuspectCorner]

Over the last two decades league rules have consistantly evolved to emphasize the passing game. And it would appear the "feature runningback" thinking of the past is also part of a bygone era.

We have two proven CBs, both thirty-ish but with known durability issues (Henry more than Newman), and literally no proven depth behind them.

We have one of the best WRs in the history of pro football - but who must be considered as in the twilight of his career. Another starter-quality WR who may never see the field again for physical issues not likely to improve over time. A good third option who can provide quality depth but pales when thrust into a starter role. And several TBD guys behind those three.

We have a RB who appears, at the least, capable of filling the lead role in a two-back system... and Tyson Thompson behind him (like that's an option).

This draft class is deeeeeep in RBs - I like our odds of landing an "instant contributor" in the second or third MUCH BETTER than those of getting equal impact from CB or WR in the same rounds.

The passing game IS THE GAME nowadays. The wealth of available talent at RB this year is the very insurance that allows us to emphasize covering for passing game deficiencies.

Dallas is in a great position to address all three areas equally - by simply letting the draft come to them... CB/WR (flip a coin on "Best Player At Position Of Need" - could be either position) 1,2... and RB 3.

 

[Yeagermeister]

I never got the rebuttal to this.

Because there isn't one

 

[Clove]

People are still scared of New England and what they were doing to teams so they blame the 3rd corner, when getting to the QB is #1 on the list, and everything else follows that.

Our front 7 was good, not great. Love Ware, he was solid, but the other side needs way more consistancy, and we need more push from the inside.

 

[gimmesix]

A backup running back is on the field for around 25 percent of the offensive plays.

A backup (third) cornerback is on the field for around 40 percent of the defensive plays.

A backup running back will get about 7 to 10 carries a game.

A backup cornerback will be targeted on every play if he isn't any good.

How did the Giants race downfield right before halftime of the playoff game ... by targeting the third corner. If you have a quality third corner, teams can't match up players like Steve Smith against them and constantly go after the corner.

We have to hit on third corner or teams will kill us on second-and-long and third down. We can miss on second running back and still have a productive running game.

 

[Hostile]

A backup running back is on the field for around 25 percent of the offensive plays.

A backup (third) cornerback is on the field for around 40 percent of the defensive plays.

A backup running back will get about 7 to 10 carries a game.

A backup cornerback will be targeted on every play if he isn't any good.

How did the Giants race downfield right before halftime of the playoff game ... by targeting the third corner. If you have a quality third corner, teams can't match up players like Steve Smith against them and constantly go after the corner.

We have to hit on third corner or teams will kill us on third down. We can miss on second running back and still have a productive running game.

This is a fantastic post.

Right on the :money: IMO.