Rushing to help the Defense

[big dog cowboy]

86 times in history of the NFL, a player has rushed for at least 1,500 yards.

No 1,500-yard rusher has ever won a championship without a Top 8 defense.

 

[Nightman]

86 times in history of the NFL, a player has rushed for at least 1,500 yards.

No 1,500-yard rusher has ever won a championship without a Top 8 defense.

points or yards because Emmitt had 1773 yards in 1995 and DAL had the 9th best D yardage wise

he also had 1486 yards in 1993 with the 10th best D, but I guess we see why that is where you set the bar

 

[wileedog]

points or yards because Emmitt had 1773 yards in 1995 and DAL had the 9th best D yardage wise

he also had 1486 yards in 1993 with the 10th best D, but I guess we see why that is where you set the bar

This defense will not be top 10 in yards. And proclaiming that Zeke is Emmitt is just a tad premature, don't you think?

 

[Nightman]

also

04 pats dillon 1635 9th
98 broncos tdavis 2008 11th

 

[percyhoward]

@bkight13
Yards don't win games -- points do (unless you think Tampa was a Top 5 offense last year). All of Emmitt's rings came with a Top 5 defense.

If you don't like 1,500 as a good round number, then set your own bar.

 

[Nightman]

This defense will not be top 10 in yards. And proclaiming that Zeke is Emmitt is just a tad premature, don't you think?

no, why would I think that....he was drafted higher, has better numbers and an All Pro OL with a QB you can't cheat on

 

[Nightman]

@bkight13
Yards don't win games -- points do (unless you think Tampa was a Top 5 offense last year). All of Emmitt's rings came with a Top 5 defense.

If you don't like 1,500 is a good round number, then set your own bar.

So why are you talking about 1500 yards with the RBs and not TDs....seems a bit hypocritical......but like I said you can make your numbers dance to any tune you want

I found 4 that busted your premise but there were a dozen more 1500 yd RBs to win the SB but they also had top Defenses.....but ..............wait for it..............

that is the point we all have made.....a top running game will help a team in having a better D

 

[percyhoward]

I found 4 that busted your premise

No, you didn't find four that busted anything. All of those defenses were Top 8 in points allowed. They ranked a little lower in yards because they were bend-don't-break defenses, and/or because of garbage yards allowed when they had late leads. That's why total yards is a lousy stat that gives you results like Tampa Bay as the 5th-best offense in 2015.

that is the point we all have made.....a top running game will help a team in having a better D

Those aren't just "better" defenses. They're all Top 8 defenses.

So why are you talking about 1500 yards with the RBs and not TDs....seems a bit hypocritical......but like I said you can make your numbers dance to any tune you want

Remember, I'm not the one saying yards are important. Just the opposite. It doesn't matter how many yards you grind out and how much clock you use if you can't score points.

 

[Nightman]

No, you didn't find four that busted anything. All of those defenses were Top 8 in points allowed. They ranked a little lower in yards because they were bend-don't-break defenses, and/or because of garbage yards allowed when they had late leads. That's why total yards is a lousy stat that gives you results like Tampa Bay as the 5th-best offense in 2015.


Those aren't just "better" defenses. They're all Top 8 defenses.


Remember, I'm not the one saying yards are important. Just the opposite. It doesn't matter how many yards you grind out and how much clock you use if you can't score points.

it was your flawed theory....don't blame me for exposing it...#movinthegoalposts

 

[Kaiser]

86 times in history of the NFL, a player has rushed for at least 1,500 yards.

No 1,500-yard rusher has ever won a championship without a Top 8 defense.

To get that number of 86 instances of 1500 yards rushing, you have to go back to the 1950's and 1960's. There were 14 teams in the NFL in the 60's and 12 in the 50's - which makes the "top 8 defense" a completely meaningless metric.

 

[Kaiser]

it was your flawed theory....don't blame me for exposing it...#movinthegoalposts

If our RBs next year move the way he moves goalposts, we will have 3000 yards rushing.

 

[wileedog]

no, why would I think that....he was drafted higher, has better numbers and an All Pro OL with a QB you can't cheat on

Maybe because he hasn't played a down in NFL yet?

Remember when Mo was the next Deion?

 

[Sarge]

Only here do we try to make our offense better in an effort to help our defense.....instead of well......simply trying to make our defense better, period. Doesn't seem overly complicated to me but somehow we have made it so.



Carry on.

 

[percyhoward]

To get that number of 86 instances of 1500 yards rushing, you have to go back to the 1950's and 1960's. There were 14 teams in the NFL in the 60's and 12 in the 50's - which makes the "top 8 defense" a completely meaningless metric.

There were only 3 different 1,500-yard seasons before 1970, all by Jim Brown.

Since 1970, when there were 26 teams in the league, a player has rushed for 1,500 yards 83 times.

"Top 8 defense" is far from a meaningless metric.

 

[Alexander]

If the goal is to have Elliott run and run and run to play keep away, I don't think they are doing it right. Part of the allure of a player like him is that he is explosive and could score more both as a runner and receiver. He is a successful pick if he scores the TDs that McFadden left on the field multiple times last season.

 

[Risen Star]

If the goal is to have Elliott run and run and run to play keep away, I don't think they are doing it right. Part of the allure of a player like him is that he is explosive and could score more both as a runner and receiver. He is a successful pick if he scores the TDs that McFadden left on the field multiple times last season.

Well fortunately he's got a nose for the end zone. He'll score a dozen TDs or more this year as long as we don't do anything stupid like using Morris as the goal line back.

 

[percyhoward]

it was your flawed theory....don't blame me for exposing it...#movinthegoalposts

You posted an article in which Barry Church says the team was successful in 2014 because it controlled the clock and kept the defense fresh so it could come in and force 3-and-out's.

After being told the 2014 offense wasn't any better at controlling the clock than the 2015 offense, and that there's no strong correlation between ball control and winning because yards don't matter if you don't have a lead, you then softened your stance to "nothing bad comes from a dominating rushing attack." Which no one would argue with.

When someone mentioned that RB drafted in the middle rounds have been more successful than mid-round players at other positions, you argued that "RB who are drafted high are more likely to succeed." You posted a list of RB that included their draft position, and you sorted the list according to rushing yards.

Then when I pointed out (again) that rushing yards don't mean much by showing all the 1,500-yard backs who haven't won anything without a top defense, you called me a hypocrite for using yards instead of TD!

Let me make it clear, again.

Without a lead, there is no inherent advantage for a team that controls the clock with a RB who rushes for a lot of yards. You have to be able to score points and stop the other team from scoring points. Elliott should help this team do the former, but he can do very little about the latter.

 

[WillieBeamen]

For the fans who think we should've went defense at 4 and took a back in the mid-rounds, you honestly think Jalen Ramsey would make us a better team righht now than Zeke Elliot?

Taking it a step further, what defensive player in this past draft, could've impacted the game more for us than Zeke?

Alot of fans on this board that point to Mcfadden's success last year, consistenty ignore the o-line had to change from Zone to Man blocking. His lack of scoring TDs shouldnt be ignored either. Zeke can easily triple the amount of TDs that Mcfadden had last year if he stays healthy and gets a bulk of the carries.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Well fortunately he's got a nose for the end zone. He'll score a dozen TDs or more this year as long as we don't do anything stupid like using Morris as the goal line back.

Morris was signed to be the short yardage back. Given the OL we have that is smart. No more passing evertime we have 3rd and 1, 4th and 1, goal line.......

 

[Alexander]

Only here do we try to make our offense better in an effort to help our defense.....instead of well......simply trying to make our defense better, period. Doesn't seem overly complicated to me but somehow we have made it so.



Carry on.

They had a choice at the time. So would Ramsey make the defense that much better? That is the question. They had the rest of the draft to focus on the overall defense. So had they traded down and got an extra four, that would be the difference?

At the end of the day, they could have had Ramsey, the same two DL.