Russia invades Ukraine *** READ RULES IN POST 6 BEFORE POSTING ***

[MichaelWinicki]

Sure. But what was Saddam's intention when he invaded Kuwait? Did we care? Our hesitancy is only because Russia has nukes. NATO can call their bluff. Will they? I doubt it. We'll just hope the Ukraine can make it very difficult for Russia and try to supply them the best we can. But either way, more countries are going to try to join NATO because of this.

Sorta the same, but sorta different too. Like or dislike oil, it's what makes things go– Even more so 30 years ago. Saddam threatening oil supplies was a definite no-no.

And yeah, having nukes is pretty good reason IMO.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Force multipliers for the defensive in urban combat can be exponential if you know what you are doing and have some ingenuity. The Ukranians seem to be well schooled. Maybe they should start showing MOUT schools in those graphs of military assets on the news

Plus the defenders know the area... Huge advantage.

 

[Roadtrip635]

How many other nations follow suit?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Yeah, I am actually surprised by this. It makes you wonder if they are seriously going to consider joining NATO at some point in the future.

They could.

What happened 80-years ago with Hitler starting small, gaining momentum and then steamrolling countries has created a lasting lesson for many in these smaller countries that have even fewer military resources than Ukraine.

They (as we all) want to see Putin stopped.

And yeah the threat of using nuclear weapons is a factor that has to be considered.

 

[Bigdog]

They could.

What happened 80-years ago with Hitler starting small, gaining momentum and then steamrolling countries has created a lasting lesson for many in these smaller countries that have even fewer military resources than Ukraine.

They (as we all) want to see Putin stopped.

And yeah the threat of using nuclear weapons is a factor that has to be considered.

The Baltic countries (Lithuania, Estonia, Lativa) quickly joined NATO when they could and I don't blame them. Would not be surprise if countries like Finland who holds a 343 mile border with Russia and Sweden joins after this. Russia has no one then ally themselves with except maybe North Korea, China, Venzuela, Belarus and some other countries. I just hope this thing ends quickly and peacefully. My thoughts and prayers go out to the Ukranian people and all the families on both sides that has lost their lives in something that should have been avoided.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

The Baltic countries (Lithuania, Estonia, Lativa) quickly joined NATO when they could and I don't blame them. Would not be surprise if countries like Finland who holds a 343 mile border with Russia and Sweden joins after this. Russia has no one then ally themselves with except maybe North Korea, China, Venzuela, Belarus and some other countries. I just hope this thing ends quickly and peacefully. My thoughts and prayers go out to the Ukranian people and all the families on both sides that has lost their lives in something that should have been avoided.

Fully agree.

 

[dsturgeon]

The Baltic countries (Lithuania, Estonia, Lativa) quickly joined NATO when they could and I don't blame them. Would not be surprise if countries like Finland who holds a 343 mile border with Russia and Sweden joins after this. Russia has no one then ally themselves with except maybe North Korea, China, Venzuela, Belarus and some other countries. I just hope this thing ends quickly and peacefully. My thoughts and prayers go out to the Ukranian people and all the families on both sides that has lost their lives in something that should have been avoided.

Russia not having allies is a big assumption.

Is it even a week in to this war? Unless Russia is going to get what it wants in negotiations, this is just getting started. Russia has barely dipped their toes into what they could do

We don't know how much of what we have seen is a campaign by other countries to sway public view the way they want.

 

[Roadtrip635]

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

It's a threat in case NATO tries to challenge him in the Ukraine. He won't use it otherwise. Do we risk it by challenging him? Finland needs to join NATO. This is just my opinion. But NATO needs to move in and stop Russia. Let the cards fall where they may. As a world we can't just sit by and watch.

Agreed. Bring Finland and Sweden into NATO and call his bluff. See if he really wants to end civilisation.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Exactly and this is why one particular individual who I should not name wanted to pull out but that would have been a big mistake. As history has shown us being isolated is not a good idea.

Agreed, and it's good to hear that Germany is finally deciding to increase their spending. Maybe that gets everyone else moving that way. Cuz if Russia decides to proceed, all NATO is going to need every available soldier to try to combat Russia. Especially if Iran, China, and NK join in.

 

[JoeKing]

The threat of the use of nuclear weapons is the desperate actions of a mad man. The smaller tactical nukes in the Russian inventory are particularly problematic.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

The threat of the use of nuclear weapons is the desperate actions of a mad man. The smaller tactical nukes in the Russian inventory are particularly problematic.

I agree, and Putin is a madman. That said, I don't think he will use them. As I said before, the use of those will likely result in similar retaliation. It would make no sense for Putin to use them given the consequences he'd face.

 

[CouchCoach]

Plus the defenders know the area... Huge advantage.

Many countries learned that the hard way with the NVA and Cong.

It sure seems that while this has been building up, the Ukrainians were not standing idly by waiting for help to arrive. It's not like they've been hanging out on South Beach the last 10 years living the good life.

 

[SlammedZero]

I agree, and Putin is a madman. That said, I don't think he will use them. As I said before, the use of those will likely result in similar retaliation. It would make no sense for Putin to use them given the consequences he'd face.

It's not going to be a good day for anybody if nuclear missiles start flying around the world's skies.

Minutes to Midnight.

 

[dsturgeon]

Russia could have been preparing for a long campaign for years, fuel is not an issue, and the amount of people reliant on their fuel is a big playing card.

There is a very good chance we are getting heavy propaganda on the situation.

Putin is not stupid, he has been making world leaders look like fools and making smart moves for a long time. My favorite thing he did was show up with a dog to a meeting with merkel who is terrified of dogs.

The world economic forum has been talking about the great reset. They have been saying covi d was perfect opportunity to usher in a great reset or new world order. Klaus Schwab and the UNs 2030 agendas. All these countries being in debt to the word banks. Schwab being in cahoots with putin, trudaeu, and many other world leaders. Federal reserve, china, and others working on digital currencies, and on and on. This stuff gets implemented step by step, look at this hand, while we do 4 things with the other hand.

We could hear nothing but Ukraine and Russia for the next 4 months, while new banking systems, laws, alliances, orders, are being setup in the background. Remember the patriot act, and how it never went away, and will never be given back. All for safety during war

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

It's not going to be a good day for anybody if nuclear missiles start flying around the world's skies.

Minutes to Midnight.

Agreed. If nukes start flying, the world has a much bigger problem than most things it's seen yet.

 

[CouchCoach]

Putin and his gang are one thing but within his military command are sons of Mother Russia and they know the cost of one nuclear warhead being used. That act would immediately put Russia on destruct mode with the rest of the world. The deterrent, the threat is one thing, to use it signals they must be totally destroyed.

The most effective weapon in Russia's arsenal is misinformation and part of that is all the destructive power they have. They've been that alligator mouth but what if they're backing that up with a hummingbird butt?

How willing are the Russian people to let this worthless thief and murderer doom their country?

I believe there are good and sane people within the Russian military command that would prevent that thug from unleashing any nuclear weapons. They know Putin is more loyal to the old KGB, which was nothing more than the Russian version of Hitler's Gestapo.

 

[Bigdog]

Putin and his gang are one thing but within his military command are sons of Mother Russia and they know the cost of one nuclear warhead being used. That act would immediately put Russia on destruct mode with the rest of the world. The deterrent, the threat is one thing, to use it signals they must be totally destroyed.

The most effective weapon in Russia's arsenal is misinformation and part of that is all the destructive power they have. They've been that alligator mouth but what if they're backing that up with a hummingbird butt?

How willing are the Russian people to let this worthless thief and murderer doom their country?

I believe there are good and sane people within the Russian military command that would prevent that thug from unleashing any nuclear weapons. They know Putin is more loyal to the old KGB, which was nothing more than the Russian version of Hitler's Gestapo.

I believe that cooler heads would prevail or I hope they would. I read where 5,000 Russian soldiers refused to go to Ukraine and fight. They protested it.

 

[nobody]

Putin and his gang are one thing but within his military command are sons of Mother Russia and they know the cost of one nuclear warhead being used. That act would immediately put Russia on destruct mode with the rest of the world. The deterrent, the threat is one thing, to use it signals they must be totally destroyed.

The most effective weapon in Russia's arsenal is misinformation and part of that is all the destructive power they have. They've been that alligator mouth but what if they're backing that up with a hummingbird butt?

How willing are the Russian people to let this worthless thief and murderer doom their country?

I believe there are good and sane people within the Russian military command that would prevent that thug from unleashing any nuclear weapons. They know Putin is more loyal to the old KGB, which was nothing more than the Russian version of Hitler's Gestapo.

There might be things that aren't being considered. If I were an ex-KGB despot, I would pick the military leaders that were loyal to my vision. If I had any question about that, I would make it clear that their families would be safe and protected in the event of catastrophe but would make sure their entire family were wiped out if they failed to follow orders. There are things that Putin could have done in advance if he wanted to use the nuclear option if he thought he'd lose.

You don't even need that necessarily. Look how Germany did it leading up to and during WWII. Those officers loyal to Germany still ordered atrocities to be committed even though they knew it was insane.

Really it boils down to what the Russians in charge of the military and nuclear arms believe and who they're loyal to.

 

[triplets_93]

Other than MSM reporting on Ukraine-Russia conflict...