RW11 vs. Crabtree vs. Maclin

[Chuck 54]

I take Crabtree, no question at all, but that would require a top 10, maybe top 5, pick....and we weren't going up there anyway.

 

[theogt]

I didn't mean exclusively 40-yard bombs

Roy WIlliams is literally a 1st down machine, have him run 10-yard routes, throw the ball to him, and 95% of the time he will use his big body to shield the defender, and come up with it

unfortunately, our offense doesn't call for 10-yard routes, where the WR tries to establish inside position

"What do '3 step drop' mean?"

-- Jason Garrett

 

[Bob Sacamano]

"What do '3 step drop' mean?"

-- Jason Garrett

or 1st downs

2 of the best 1st-down WRs in the game (Roy and Crayton), and we struggle accumulating them...unbelievable

 

[HanD]

I take Crabtree, no question at all, but that would require a top 10, maybe top 5, pick....and we weren't going up there anyway.

:clap2:i don't know why we have one of these threads every week. we never were moving up high enough to get him. oh well...only another 3 months of seeing the same thread over and over again...that is until he is in the league and they continue....sigh....

 

[theogt]

or 1st downs

2 of the best 1st-down WRs in the game (Roy and Crayton), and we struggle accumulating them...unbelievable

For years Crayton was one of the most reliable 3rd down targets in the league. And somehow Garrett completely wiped that out.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

For years Crayton was one of the most reliable 3rd down targets in the league. And somehow Garrett completely wiped that out.

but I guess he learned his lesson now...

 

[jobberone]

I'd have a hard time trading Ware for anyone in the league. For the past ten years. It'd have to be a Walter Jones, Ed Reed, or franchise QB to even begin to think about it. He's arguably the best player in the league. I wouldn't trade him for any WR except Rice in his prime.

 

[joseephuss]

Can anyone name me a WR that ran a mid 4.5 and got drafted in the top 15? Oh, besides the great Mike Williams, that is.

Michael Irvin.


Dallas would have had to trade more to move up and get Crabtree in the draft than they gave up to get Roy Williams. The trade for Williams was also to try and help for this season and obviously they couldn't get Crabtree this year.

Why is it that some people forget that Williams was hurt this year? From what I understand, planter fasciitis can really limit a person physically. Any foot injury can. Look at Barber.

Crabtree does remind me of Andre Johnson. I don't think Crabtree is as tall as Johnson, but he does not need to be in order to do well in the NFL.

Neither, Crabtree or Maclin are ready to step in and be true #1 receivers. It takes some seasoning to learn the nuances of the NFL game and pro-style systems. Over time they may both be top guys in the league. Both will have some sort of impact their rookie years. That I don't doubt. Especially Maclin since he is also a return man. That will provide him more opportunities. In my opinion Crabtree will be the better receiver, but Maclin won't be a slouch.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

At this point, right now, I go with RW11 because I've seen that he can play, and produce, at the NFL level and I haven't yet got to see that from Crabtree or Macklin.

I do believe Crabtree and Macklin will be great pros but at this point that is simply a 50/50 guess cause neither have played a snap of NFL ball yet.

 

[TheCount]

Can anyone name me a WR that ran a mid 4.5 and got drafted in the top 15? Oh, besides the great Mike Williams, that is.

Larry Fitzgerald.

 

[jterrell]

Crabtree is nowhere near the athlete you make him out to be and he won't do anything near what he has if he isn't in a west coast offense. His height/weight is comparable to Andre Johnson, but Johnson is MUCH more athletic.

Maclin is a fairly polished WR and will be a #1 before Crabtree IMO. He has good size and is far more athletic than Crabtree. Plus, he's a better fit for intermediate/deep passes than Crab.

edit: That list of teams he'd be #1 for is way off IMO. The guy is gonna go in the mid to late 1st round--where he should go.

You are flat wrong.
Wait until the personal day and combine stats come out.

Crabtree has a faster 40 and will have a higher vertical leap.

The one question will be can he remain healthy. There are no other questions. That's why he'll be drafted top 5.


The difference between rw11 and Crabtree is speed. Crabtree was running high 4'3's just prior to the season at 6'2"+ and 212 pounds.

He worked out in the area with Cowboys players all summer.

 

[jterrell]

AJK - You seem to be on his payroll, so I'll just let the future sort this one out. Thanks anyway.

1. You have no idea what you are talking about, just quoting Crabtree's freshman 40 times.

2. You rep Irvin in your name and that guy ran a 4.6 40 and who made the Hall of Fame at WR.

 

[irvin4evs]

1. You have no idea what you are talking about, just quoting Crabtree's freshman 40 times.

2. You rep Irvin in your name and that guy ran a 4.6 40 and who made the Hall of Fame at WR.

LMAO if you guys really think Crabtree breaks 4.5. The guy has average speed for a WR. His appeal is his routes, hands, and spatial intelligence. There's nothing about his athleticism that is at all notable.

Irvin's 4.6 20 years ago is a lot different than Crabtree's 4.55 in 2009. Furthermore, Irvin's measurables are the reason he got drafted AFTER Sterling Sharpe and Tim Brown.

I don't see why you guys are getting so pissy over my suggestion that Crabtree won't go in top 10. ********.

 

[dadymat]

LMAO if you guys really think Crabtree breaks 4.5. The guy has average speed for a WR. His appeal is his routes, hands, and spatial intelligence. There's nothing about his athleticism that is at all notable.

Irvin's 4.6 20 years ago is a lot different than Crabtree's 4.55 in 2009. Furthermore, Irvin's measurables are the reason he got drafted AFTER Sterling Sharpe and Tim Brown.

I don't see why you guys are getting so pissy over my suggestion that Crabtree won't go in top 10. ********.

wow.........take offense much?

25 posts ?.........dont unpack you wont be here long

 

[irvin4evs]

wow.........take offense much?

25 posts ?.........dont unpack you wont be here long

I didn't call anyone a fool or claim someone has no idea what they're talking about. Are you suggesting I should not have the expectation that others be respectful or that I'm being disrespectful? Either way, you're missing something.

the point is that people are freaking out at me saying Crabtree won't go top 10. Is that against the rules here?

 

[Rampage]

I didn't call anyone a fool or claim someone has no idea what they're talking about. Are you suggesting I should not have the expectation that others be respectful or that I'm being disrespectful? Either way, you're missing something.

the point is that people are freaking out at me saying Crabtree won't go top 10. Is that against the rules here?

no it's perfectly fine and healthy. but even though you think his abilities won't warrant a top 10 pick doesn't mean he won't be a top 10 pick.

 

[irvin4evs]

no it's perfectly fine and healthy. but even though you think his abilities won't warrant a top 10 pick doesn't mean he won't be a top 10 pick.

But...I wasn't the one getting indignant about the exchange of opinion. I still don't see how I sparked outrage.

Whatever.

 

[Rampage]

But...I wasn't the one getting indignant about the exchange of opinion. I still don't see how I sparked outrage.

Whatever.

I've been there before so get used to it here. these people are crazy i tell ya!

 

[irvin4evs]

I just hope Crab does go top 5 so no one here does anything irrational to themselves or the people standing nearby.

 

[WhizKid]

I WANT CRABS.