Ryan Dunn killed in wreck

[gmoney112]

Steve-O will be shooting a farewell bottle--rocket-out-of-the-*** salute at his funeral.

 

[tomson75]

First I agree with you on his delivery and the timing of the message. That's where Roger could have improved.

The bolded part is where we totally differ.

First off it's not a mistake. A mistake is something you make when you didn't know any better. When you didn't know the consequences. A mistake is when you screw up and miss the answer on a math problem because you didn't know how to work the formula properly.

Driving drunk, knowing you can kill yourself or others, isn't a mistake it's a dumb *** choice. Period. There is simply no way around it.

And it's more than 'not cool' that his stupid choice killed himself and another person. Killing someone goes well beyond 'not cool'.

I'm sorry my choice of adjectives displeases you. I guess the fact that you don't think it's cool and I don't think its' cool mean we "totally differ".

Perhaps I should drop some f-bombs in there to emphasize how stupid it was?

....and a mistake, by definition:

mis·take (m-stk)
n.
1. An error or fault resulting from defective judgment, deficient knowledge, or carelessness.

Yeah...I was WAY off.

 

[Gemini Dolly]

Roger is insensitive. Way too soon for his punned tweet.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I'm sorry my choice of adjectives displeases you. I guess the fact that you don't think it's cool and I don't think its' cool mean we "totally differ".

Perhaps I should drop some f-bombs in there to emphasize how stupid it was?

....and a mistake, by definition:

mis·take (m-stk)
n.
1. An error or fault resulting from defective judgment, deficient knowledge, or carelessness.

Yeah...I was WAY off.

The cool part is just a difference in the severity of what we lable things. I'm not saying you need a bunch of F-Bombs, not anything like that, but 'not cool' just doesn't really give it the proper level of importance. Not cool just makes it seem so...I don't know...not important. I don't know. Just difference in wording choice there is all.


The defective knowledge is the stupidity.

There is no deficient knowledge here. 70 years ago? Sure. Now days? No. There is no way that anyone over the age of 10 can possibly claim they had deficient knowledge about how driving drunk can lead to you wrecking and dieing.

And that's not carelessness. Even with it in the definition. It's careless to trip over a wire laying across the floor. Careless to leave a bunch of glasses of water lying around the house that your 3 year old neice then knocks over.

There is no careless, no matter how much people want to feel bad for people when they do something this stupid, when it comes to drinking and driving. They weren't careless in any other way than they simply didn't give a crap if they killed themselves, or others, by doing so.


Now don't take that to mean I think you're a bad guy or I'm lashing out at you. I guess it comes off that way over a message board. I don't have a problem with what you think here, or why you think it, to each their own my good man. I just happen to not agree with it in this particular case. That's all. I wasn't trying to offend you. Sorry if I did.

 

[TheCount]

They are saying now he was doing 130 mph. Even without alcohol, that is plain dumb.

 

[big dog cowboy]

They are saying now he was doing 130 mph. Even without alcohol, that is plain dumb.

Yes it is. Very dumb.

 

[tomson75]

The cool part is just a difference in the severity of what we lable things. I'm not saying you need a bunch of F-Bombs, not anything like that, but 'not cool' just doesn't really give it the proper level of importance. Not cool just makes it seem so...I don't know...not important. I don't know. Just difference in wording choice there is all.


The defective knowledge is the stupidity.

There is no deficient knowledge here. 70 years ago? Sure. Now days? No. There is no way that anyone over the age of 10 can possibly claim they had deficient knowledge about how driving drunk can lead to you wrecking and dieing.

And that's not carelessness. Even with it in the definition. It's careless to trip over a wire laying across the floor. Careless to leave a bunch of glasses of water lying around the house that your 3 year old neice then knocks over.

There is no careless, no matter how much people want to feel bad for people when they do something this stupid, when it comes to drinking and driving. They weren't careless in any other way than they simply didn't give a crap if they killed themselves, or others, by doing so.


Now don't take that to mean I think you're a bad guy or I'm lashing out at you. I guess it comes off that way over a message board. I don't have a problem with what you think here, or why you think it, to each their own my good man. I just happen to not agree with it in this particular case. That's all. I wasn't trying to offend you. Sorry if I did.

No offense taken. I just didn't understand how you could have interpreted my post as anything but condemning in regards to Dunn's actions. Perhaps my choice of words was somewhat unimaginative, but I didn't figure this would turn into a thoughtful debate...at least on this forum.

What he did was immeasurably stupid.....but others pointing out that obvious fact while mocking the man's life is completely unnecessary and in bad taste. I just find it ironic that people would choose to berate a person for using such poor judgment (or for being a ****ing idiot), by using poor judgment of their own.

 

[Faerluna]

So that everyone can have a hug and move on:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/21/robert-ebert-*******-tweet_n_881854.html

From his Chicago Sun-Times blog:

"To begin with, I offer my sympathy to Ryan Dunn's family and friends, and to those of Zachary Hartwell, who also died in the crash. I mean that sincerely. It is tragic to lose a loved one. I also regret that my tweet about the event was considered cruel. It was not intended as cruel. It was intended as true."​

He added that while he "was probably too quick to tweet", he stood by his message.



"I meant exactly what I wrote," he wrote. "I was implying that someone who drinks and drives is a *******. Just as I was when I was drinking."

Explaining his harsh views on the dangers of drinking, he tweeted a blog post from 2009 about his own battle with alcoholism.

 

[CowboyDan]

So that everyone can have a hug and move on:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/21/robert-ebert-*******-tweet_n_881854.html


From his Chicago Sun-Times blog:

"To begin with, I offer my sympathy to Ryan Dunn's family and friends, and to those of Zachary Hartwell, who also died in the crash. I mean that sincerely. It is tragic to lose a loved one. I also regret that my tweet about the event was considered cruel. It was not intended as cruel. It was intended as true."​

He added that while he "was probably too quick to tweet", he stood by his message.



"I meant exactly what I wrote," he wrote. "I was implying that someone who drinks and drives is a *******. Just as I was when I was drinking."

Explaining his harsh views on the dangers of drinking, he tweeted a blog post from 2009 about his own battle with alcoholism.

I hope Bam stands by his comments too.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

No offense taken. I just didn't understand how you could have interpreted my post as anything but condemning in regards to Dunn's actions. Perhaps my choice of words was somewhat unimaginative, but I didn't figure this would turn into a thoughtful debate...at least on this forum.

What he did was immeasurably stupid.....but others pointing out that obvious fact while mocking the man's life is completely unnecessary and in bad taste. I just find it ironic that people would choose to berate a person for using such poor judgment (or for being a ****ing idiot), by using poor judgment of their own.

Agreed.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Not to be morbid but can they even get toxicology reports from what remained?

Im sure he went to that bar a ton and knew everyone there. I dont think he would have been inebriated

 

[RoyTheHammer]

What Roger Ebert said was classless.

What Ebert said was right.

If he wasn't a celebrity, he'd just be another idiot who got in his car drunk and drove at speeds of 140 miles an hour like a complete fool and killed an innocent passenger.

Its just lucky he didn't crash into another car because it could have been any of your families that he killed if he did.

 

[Gemini Dolly]

Police chief Michael Carroll said on Wednesday that Dunn’s blood alcohol level was .196 – twice that of the state’s legal limit of .08 when he crashed his Porshe on Rt. 322 killing himself and his passenger Zach Hartwell, according to a press release from the West Goshen Police.

“No other substances were found in his blood other than alcohol,” Carroll told The Reporter

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news...ally-Drunk-at-Time-of-Accident-124366554.html

 

[Everlastingxxx]

I tend to not have a lot of sympathy for drunk drivers crashes/overdoses/xtreme sports deaths. You play with fire, you will die. Sad. He lost everything and died in a very dumb and meaningless way. Oh and killed a friend.

 

[gmoney112]

Regardless of whether Ebert was right or wrong, the comment lacked class.

 

[vta]

Regardless of whether Ebert was right or wrong, the comment lacked class.

The whole culture of 'celebrity' lacks class. He didn't step out of line, he just behaved the way they all do.

 

[Ren]

Regardless of whether Ebert was right or wrong, the comment lacked class.

When it comes to drunk driving i am more worried about idiots like Dunn racing down the highways then i am about class. The only tragedy here is that he killed someone else as well

 

[gmoney112]

When it comes to drunk driving i am more worried about idiots like Dunn racing down the highways then i am about class. The only tragedy here is that he killed someone else as well

It's fine to have a personal opinion. You think it's stupid, so does everyone else in the world.

Ebert knew his comment would reach the family, who is probably devastated. There's no class or honor in kicking them in the teeth while they mourn.

 

[Faerluna]

It's fine to have a personal opinion. You think it's stupid, so does everyone else in the world.

Ebert knew his comment would reach the family, who is probably devastated. There's no class or honor in kicking them in the teeth while they mourn.

If you look on The Superficial, there's a video of Bam and his mom discussing what a terrible driver Ryan is, how he had totaled a number of cars and how he would "eat it" one day because he was a terrible driver that took too many chances.

Devastated perhaps, but fully expecting it.

 

[CowboyDan]

What Ebert said was right.

If he wasn't a celebrity, he'd just be another idiot who got in his car drunk and drove at speeds of 140 miles an hour like a complete fool and killed an innocent passenger.

Its just lucky he didn't crash into another car because it could have been any of your families that he killed if he did.

For the millionth time, it's still a classless statement.