Ryan Dunn killed in wreck

[RoyTheHammer]

For the millionth time, it's still a classless statement.

You're worried about class for a guy who made millions shoving toy cars up his arse. He's a drunk driving idiot who decided it'd be a good idea to go 140 miles an hour in his Porsche with a friend in the car. Im not that worried about holding my tongue and making a classy statement about someone who would be charged with homocide if he had survived.

He just as easily could have swerved the other way and killed another innocent family. What if it was yours? Would you be worried about how classy your statments were then? Get real..

 

[CowboyDan]

You're worried about class for a guy who made millions shoving toy cars up his arse. He's a drunk driving idiot who decided it'd be a good idea to go 140 miles an hour in his Porsche with a friend in the car. Im not that worried about holding my tongue and making a classy statement about someone who would be charged with homocide if he had survived.

He just as easily could have swerved the other way and killed another innocent family. What if it was yours? Would you be worried about how classy your statments were then? Get real..

The actions of others shouldn't effect (affect?) my level of class. It shouldn't effect your's or Roger Ebert's either. It's about how you carry yourself. Ever hear of "taking the high road?" You don't have to be a classless idiot to show disapproval of someone's actions.

On the other hand, if I make a ******** comment, I do it because I don't care, and I stand by it. As did Roger Ebert. It doesn't change the fact that he showed a lack of class with the statement.

 

[tomson75]

You're worried about class for a guy who made millions shoving toy cars up his arse. He's a drunk driving idiot who decided it'd be a good idea to go 140 miles an hour in his Porsche with a friend in the car. Im not that worried about holding my tongue and making a classy statement about someone who would be charged with homocide if he had survived.

He just as easily could have swerved the other way and killed another innocent family. What if it was yours? Would you be worried about how classy your statments were then? Get real..

Right...he wasn't worried about being classy, and neither are you. Two peas in a pod.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

The actions of others shouldn't effect (affect?) my level of class. It shouldn't effect your's or Roger Ebert's either. It's about how you carry yourself. Ever hear of "taking the high road?" You don't have to be a classless idiot to show disapproval of someone's actions.

On the other hand, if I make a ******** comment, I do it because I don't care, and I stand by it. As did Roger Ebert. It doesn't change the fact that he showed a lack of class with the statement.

Mhmm.. what about his comments was so unclassy anyway? The fact that he used the term "jack arses"? If he had said "friends don't let friends drive drunk" would that have made it acceptable? Because i don't see anything wrong with that statement. Its true.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Right...he wasn't worried about being classy, and neither are you. Two peas in a pod.

Please.. don't come on here and act like you know me at all.

The fact is, i feel for Dunn's family and loved ones, as well as the passengers.. but for Dunn himself i feel no sympathy. He doesn't deserve anyone's sympathy for his actions.

 

[TheCount]

Mhmm.. what about his comments was so unclassy anyway? The fact that he used the term "jack arses"? If he had said "friends don't let friends drive drunk" would that have made it acceptable? Because i don't see anything wrong with that statement. Its true.

Essentially the problem is that he used a pun, thereby using someone's death as an opportunity to be witty.

He could easily have made the same plea without the pun, and in a more compassionate manner, especially considering how close it was to the wreck.

As I've said, I have no pity for drunk drivers and the fact that he was speeding on top of that, and managed to kill a friend in the process only makes it worse in my eyes.

That doesn't mean I'm going to take the opportunity to crack a joke at the expensive of the grieving.

 

[Ren]

The actions of others shouldn't effect (affect?) my level of class. It shouldn't effect yours or Roger Eberts either. It's about how you carry yourself. Ever hear of "taking the high road?" You don't have to be a classless idiot to show disapproval of someone's actions.

Reality in this case isn't "classy" people like him kill people on the roads with their stupidity daily. If it was just another dead guy and not a celebrity no one would care about "class" and just call it like it is. The roads are slightly safer now with him gone so good riddance

 

[CowboyDan]

Mhmm.. what about his comments was so unclassy anyway? The fact that he used the term "jack arses"? If he had said "friends don't let friends drive drunk" would that have made it acceptable? Because i don't see anything wrong with that statement. Its true.

It's not about being a true statement. It's about showing class in the wake of someone's fiery death. He was working off an assumption that Dunn was driving drunk, which turned out to be true. That alone takes some brass. (He later apologized for that assumption)
However, if he felt so compelled to send a drunk driving message (as if the details of the accident aren't a clear enough message of a social problem that everyone is already aware of) he should said something like:

"My sympathy to the friends and family of Ryan Dunn and his passenger. Drinking and driving is never a good idea."

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Essentially the problem is that he used a pun, thereby using someone's death as an opportunity to be witty.

He could easily have made the same plea without the pun, and in a more compassionate manner, especially considering how close it was to the wreck.

As I've said, I have no pity for drunk drivers and the fact that he was speeding on top of that, and managed to kill a friend in the process only makes it worse in my eyes.

That doesn't mean I'm going to take the opportunity to crack a joke at the expensive of the grieving.

I don't know that he was looking to crack a joke as much as he was looking to get across the point of how stupid and senseless he thought it was. That's how i read it anyway.

Anyway, i've never seen such an outpouring of emotion for a guy who was a complete stranger to all of us, and a guy who would be in jail right now for vehicular homicide if he had survived. He would be considered a felon. Yet we're all worried about classing up statments made about the man. Im not buying into it. I didn't see many people worried about how classy their statements were about OJ when that was going on.

I swear people in this country get more uppity over celebrities deaths than they would over their own families. The fact still remains that if this was just a random idiot, no one would care at all or be worried about showing respect. He doesn't deserve anyone's respect. He was a fool who paid the ultimate price for his actions. Sympathy for the families and loved ones? No doubt. They are left here to deal with the loss of a person that they loved dearly, and that is never an easy thing to go through for anyone.

 

[CowboyDan]

Reality in this case isn't "classy" people like him kill people on the roads with their stupidity daily. If it was just another dead guy and not a celebrity no one would care about "class" and just call it like it is. The roads are slightly safer now with him gone so good riddance

Again, you're focusing on Dunn's actions, not Ebert's. I'm talking about what Ebert tweeted. It wasn't classy. And he seems fine with it, which is fine. But it's not classy, no matter if it was a celebrity or not. I wouldn't say that to a neighbor if the same thing happened. Which is probably more to the point. Ebert is hiding behind Twitter with the comment. You and I both know that he would never say that to Bam's face or Dunn's Dad's face. It's easy to be a classless idiot from across the internet. It happens on here all the time.

 

[tomson75]

Please.. don't come on here and act like you know me at all.

The fact is, i feel for Dunn's family and loved ones, as well as the passengers.. but for Dunn himself i feel no sympathy. He doesn't deserve anyone's sympathy for his actions.

I'm not acting like I know who you are....I'm reacting to what you've stated.

No one is asking you to be sympathetic to Dunn....or asking anyone else to be. The issue here is with people acting like the fact that what Dunn did was incredibly stupid gives others the license to act like *******s in the wake of his death. It doesn't.

It has ZERO to do with Dunn's behavior, but rather everything to do with the behavior of people that we still share air with.

I can see why people would choose to hate the man, and I have no issue with that....but what he did wasn't intentional and his friends and relatives deserve some measure of respect IMO.

 

[CowboyDan]

I don't know that he was looking to crack a joke as much as he was looking to get across the point of how stupid and senseless he thought it was. That's how i read it anyway.

Anyway, i've never seen such an outpouring of emotion for a guy who was a complete stranger to all of us, and a guy who would be in jail right now for vehicular homicide if he had survived. He would be considered a felon. Yet we're all worried about classing up statments made about the man. Im not buying into it. I didn't see many people worried about how classy their statements were about OJ when that was going on.

I'm not outpouring emotion for Ryan Dunn. I said Ebert's statement was classless and I've been ripped for it, so I'm defending my statement. I don't know Ryan Dunn personally and I hate what he did. I'm not defending him or his actions in any way. I'm not emotional about what Ebert said either. I just know it's a classless statement and I'm surprised some people can't see it. If you agree that it's a classless statement, then I don't know what we're arguing about. It's all I've ever said.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Again, you're focusing on Dunn's actions, not Ebert's. I'm talking about what Ebert tweeted. It wasn't classy. And he seems fine with it, which is fine. But it's not classy, no matter if it was a celebrity or not. I wouldn't say that to a neighbor if the same thing happened. Which is probably more to the point. Ebert is hiding behind Twitter with the comment. You and I both know that he would never say that to Bam's face or Dunn's Dad's face. It's easy to be a classless idiot from across the internet. It happens on here all the time.

So they were both very unclassy.. why are we going on for pages about this?

I'll tell you one thing though.. i respect the classless idiot on the internet alot more than i respect the classless idiot who chose to drive like a moron while drunk and took an innocent life.

 

[CowboyDan]

So they were both very unclassy.. why are we going on for pages about this?

I'll tell you one thing though.. i respect the classless idiot on the internet alot more than i respect the classless idiot who chose to drive like a moron while drunk and took an innocent life.

That's fine. I don't know anything about Roger Ebert's life decisions, so I'm not going out on that limb just yet. But if you are just comparing his tweet vs. Dunn's decision, obviously Dunn loses that. No one here is arguing that.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I'm not outpouring emotion for Ryan Dunn. I said Ebert's statement was classless and I've been ripped for it, so I'm defending my statement. I don't know Ryan Dunn personally and I hate what he did. I'm not defending him or his actions in any way. I'm not emotional about what Ebert said either. I just know it's a classless statement and I'm surprised some people can't see it. If you agree that it's a classless statement, then I don't know what we're arguing about. It's all I've ever said.

I think there's two ways you can read the twit statement. If you feel he was looking to make a joke at Dunn's expense, then yes.. i'd say that was unclassy.

The way i looked at it was that he was trying to get across the stupidity and senslessness of what Dunn did.. in which case, it should be made clear how stupid it was and i don't see anything wrong with that.

Either way.. lets not waste too much time worrying about how we're regarding a guy who would have been a felon and in jail if he had survived. Lets just be thankful he only took one innocent life, when it could have very easily been more.

 

[tomson75]

So they were both very unclassy.. why are we going on for pages about this?

I'll tell you one thing though.. i respect the classless idiot on the internet alot more than i respect the classless idiot who chose to drive like a moron while drunk and took an innocent life.

This I can agree with....for the most part...I wouldn't exactly call his occupant "innocent", however. I'd say odds are that he knew very well that Dunn was plastered and a crap driver. Not only did he not stop Dunn from being an idiot....he joined him.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I can see why people would choose to hate the man, and I have no issue with that....but what he did wasn't intentional and his friends and relatives deserve some measure of respect IMO.

I don't hate the man.. at all. On the contrary, i never even knew him. However, i hate his actions and what he did is unforgivable. The grief he's caused his own family and loved ones, and those of the innocent man he killed is senseless. You can say it wasn't intentional if you'd like.. but he was drunk and driving 140 miles an hour. There's no excuse, you pretty much know what the risks are when you make that decision.

 

[Ren]

Again, you're focusing on Dunn's actions, not Ebert's. I'm talking about what Ebert tweeted. It wasn't classy. And he seems fine with it, which is fine. But it's not classy, no matter if it was a celebrity or not. I wouldn't say that to a neighbor if the same thing happened. Which is probably more to the point. Ebert is hiding behind Twitter with the comment. You and I both know that he would never say that to Bam's face or Dunn's Dad's face. It's easy to be a classless idiot from across the internet. It happens on here all the time.

Would you have the balls to give your little class speech to the victims of drunk driving? i very much doubt it

 

[TheCount]

I don't know that he was looking to crack a joke as much as he was looking to get across the point of how stupid and senseless he thought it was. That's how i read it anyway.

I think he was trying to be witty, not cracking a joke.

I don't know why anyone really expects class. The guy made his living as a critic, that alone should tell you the type of personality he might possess.

 

[Ren]

I don't hate the man.. at all. On the contrary, i never even knew him. However, i hate his actions and what he did is unforgivable. The grief he's caused his own family and loved ones, and those of the innocent man he killed is senseless. You can say it wasn't intentional if you'd like.. but he was drunk and driving 140 miles an hour. There's no excuse, you pretty much know what the risks are when you make that decision.

It's the whole celebrities are above the law mentality that people have. All this grief and excuse making for him does nothing but reinforce it.

Dunn wasn't the only one killed by this but hardly anyone seems to care much for "the other guy", i guess that isn't classy enough for them