Safety Roy Williams is better than advertised

[ThreeSportStar80]

No more defending Roy Williams...

 

[dallasfaniac]

Alot is being made out of nothing. Roy will be on the team again this year and will probably see improvement.

He is showing a willingness to change, which according to Ellis' comments wasn't necessarily there last year.

He has changed his number, giving himself a fresh start and a hopefull return to his college play that got him drafted so high.

Campo has returned and should be able to work with him (kick him in the rear).

Ellis mentioned that Roy would go in to work out before everyone else. Being the first to work out every day doesn't seem like a negative to me. Ellis may see it as ostricising himself, but I understand why someone would especially with someone like Ellis complaining every offseason. I used to work out with fellow football players in college and many just joked around or kind of went through the motions during offseason workouts. It was frustrating for me because it felt like I didn't get a full workout or had to workout longer just to get what I wanted done. They can all get acquainted once OTAs start anyway.

I think we will see a different Roy, but then again I am a optimist and it's a new season. I hate all the negativity when we are tied for first place.

 

[802dave]

"the system doesn't fit me"

Real Football players can adapt to any system. Roy doesn't remember his fundamentals like wrapping up. He got so used to just bulldozing smaller guys in college and he didn't have to cover.

One of the excuses last year was that Newman & Henry were hurt, so RW had to help in coverage more than was planned. This year will be the final answer on that; Newman & Henry hopefully will be a little healthier, hopefully Pacman will be reinstated and behave himself (yeah, I know...), and Jenkins and Scandrick can be better help than the guys that left.

There's no more excuses available to him! They got you plenty of DB help; now man up and stop making Ellis fight your battles for you!

 

[big dog cowboy]

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I smell another multi-pager coming!

 

[Big D]

You people act like RW said this yesterday. He said it LAST YEAR BEFORE CAMP! and then went on to make the probowl.

 

[skinsscalper]

I agree. It seems as though the mob mentality has taken over and ppl are piling on this thought that RW sucks when he clearly does not. What I'd like to know is what is it that RW does that makes him any more of a liablility than any other SS in the league?

What makes Roy more of a liability is the fact that he no longer makes game changing plays that make up for his lack of coverage skills. He used to light people up, force fumbles, intercept the ball, instill fear. He no longer does any of those things. He just isn't a playmaker anymore.

You can throw all the stats in the world out there and it doesn't mean a thing. I've (literally) watched every game of Roy Williams' professional career. The guy simply is no longer the playmaker he used to be. Period. I don't know what it is. I do know that when I used to watch Roy I saw a player that was looking to make a play and have a positive impact. Now, when I watch Roy, I see a guy who is playing timid and trying to avoid making a mistake (which usually ends up with him making a mistake anyway).

BTW you can ditch the whole RW made the Pro Bowl last year. It's a last resort for a weak argument. Larry Allen made numerous Pro Bowls at the end of his career that weren't merited by his play. The Pro Bowl is a popularity contest that allows every homer on the planet tip the scales by voting for their favorite player regardless of how bad he sucks. Also keep in mind that it took Sean Taylor (who sucked just as bad) to be murdered for Roy to even crack the lineup.

Look at the whole thing objectively without the rose colored glasses and you'll see that Roy Williams is no where NEAR the player he used to be.

In case you're wondering, Roy Williams had been my favorite player on the team for the past few seasons. And, to be honest, I was still defending the guy as recently as the beginning of this off-season. But, after hearing the excuses and the fact that Williams has taken it upon himself to avoid even his teammates, my days of defending Roy are over. Put up or pack up, Roy. The blame game is old and it's time to earn your money.

 

[zrinkill]

My biggest problem with RW is that he has become the scarecrow - no heart.

Wow ...... someone needs a brain like the scarecrow.

 

[zrinkill]

Roy Williams is better than he is given credit for. Roy Williams has great hands for interceptions and he usually does something with the return when he makes the interception. He is an explosive hitter as well. Now does he have his deficiencies? Of course. His man to man coverage skills are below average. He weighs to much and as a result he can't always get to the runner and he resorts to horse collaring runners.
Personally I'd love to see him blitzing and playing linebacker in the nickle and dime defenses.

I agree. It seems as though the mob mentality has taken over and ppl are piling on this thought that RW sucks when he clearly does not. What I'd like to know is what is it that RW does that makes him any more of a liablility than any other SS in the league?

I agree with both of these posters.

 

[AsthmaField]

Tin Man would like a word with you...

:laugh2:

Uh, I think that makes Eskimo the Scarecrow, don't you think?

 

[Big D]

What makes Roy more of a liability is the fact that he no longer makes game changing plays that make up for his lack of coverage skills. He used to light people up, force fumbles, intercept the ball, instill fear. He no longer does any of those things. He just isn't a playmaker anymore.

You can throw all the stats in the world out there and it doesn't mean a thing. I've (literally) watched every game of Roy Williams' professional career. The guy simply is no longer the playmaker he used to be. Period. I don't know what it is. I do know that when I used to watch Roy I saw a player that was looking to make a play and have a positive impact. Now, when I watch Roy, I see a guy who is playing timid and trying to avoid making a mistake (which usually ends up with him making a mistake anyway).

BTW you can ditch the whole RW made the Pro Bowl last year. It's a last resort for a weak argument. Larry Allen made numerous Pro Bowls at the end of his career that weren't merited by his play. The Pro Bowl is a popularity contest that allows every homer on the planet tip the scales by voting for their favorite player regardless of how bad he sucks. Also keep in mind that it took Sean Taylor (who sucked just as bad) to be murdered for Roy to even crack the lineup.

Look at the whole thing objectively without the rose colored glasses and you'll see that Roy Williams is no where NEAR the player he used to be.

In case you're wondering, Roy Williams had been my favorite player on the team for the past few seasons. And, to be honest, I was still defending the guy as recently as the beginning of this off-season. But, after hearing the excuses and the fact that Williams has taken it upon himself to avoid even his teammates, my days of defending Roy are over. Put up or pack up, Roy. The blame game is old and it's time to earn your money.

I don't know that its the rose colored glasses or not but if it is true that RW played the season trying to cover up a shoulder injury (which he never publicly complained about), deal with the starting cb's being in and out of the lineup, LB's struggling with their assignments as well as learning to fit into a new system I think he did just fine.

Also, for a guy dealing with all of that I don't think you can discount the fact that he earned a probowl spot. Alternate or not, he made it while other nfc safeties did not.

I'm not saying that RW doesn't need to improve, of course he does. I just think with an offseason to get healthy and another year in a new system he will improve as will the entire defense. People need to calm down with all this cut or trade RW nonsense.

 

[zeromaster]

You people act like RW said this yesterday. He said it LAST YEAR BEFORE CAMP! and then went on to make the probowl.

As a reserve.

 

[Big D]

As a reserve.

And?..

 

[skinsscalper]

I don't know that its the rose colored glasses or not but if it is true that RW played the season trying to cover up a shoulder injury (which he never publicly complained about), deal with the starting cb's being in and out of the lineup, LB's struggling with their assignments as well as learning to fit into a new system I think he did just fine.

Also, for a guy dealing with all of that I don't think you can discount the fact that he earned a probowl spot. Alternate or not, he made it while other nfc safeties did not.

I'm not saying that RW doesn't need to improve, of course he does. I just think with an offseason to get healthy and another year in a new system he will improve as will the entire defense. People need to calm down with all this cut or trade RW nonsense.

Trust me, no one would be happier than me if Roy's game actually improved next year. Like I said before this guy was my favorite Cowboy. The disturbing trend is that last year was not an isolated "bad season". Roy's play has declined over the past couple of seasons. It's not a stat thing, for me. It's the manner in which he approaches his game/assignment.

I'm not in the cut Roy, camp. For one it's too costly. For another Roy himself has admitted that he'd like to make more of his playing time. He knows he needs to improve. I'd like to see him do it. But at I'm at the "show me" point. If his play doesn't improve this season, then I think it's time to seriously consider cutting our losses and moving in a new direction. I think he's earned the right to rededicate himself this season. After that, all bets are off.

 

[arik1]

Originally Posted by Big D
I agree. It seems as though the mob mentality has taken over and ppl are piling on this thought that RW sucks when he clearly does not. What I'd like to know is what is it that RW does that makes him any more of a liablility than any other SS in the league?

It's what he doesn't do - accept responsibility. How many times have you seen D. Woodson point the finger at teammates during blown coverage? I was the same way a few years ago (like RW), and once I realized that this was wrong and made the change, everything my life became so much better and easier. I bet that alot of us wouldn't have this mob mentality if Roy would admit that he isn't the best in coverage but he's honestly trying to get better.

 

[Rampage]

And?..

if sean taylor doesn't get killed Roy wasn't making the probowl. oh and if you watched the probowl roy only played special teams.

 

[Big D]

Trust me, no one would be happier than me if Roy's game actually improved next year. Like I said before this guy was my favorite Cowboy. The disturbing trend is that last year was not an isolated "bad season". Roy's play has declined over the past couple of seasons. It's not a stat thing, for me. It's the manner in which he approaches his game/assignment.

I'm not in the cut Roy, camp. For one it's too costly. For another Roy himself has admitted that he'd like to make more of his playing time. He knows he needs to improve. I'd like to see him do it. But at I'm at the "show me" point. If his play doesn't improve this season, then I think it's time to seriously consider cutting our losses and moving in a new direction. I think he's earned the right to rededicate himself this season. After that, all bets are off.

I agree. If RW's play continues to decline then I'm all for showing him the door. I just don't think that is what's going to happen.

 

[Big D]

if sean taylor doesn't get killed Roy wasn't making the probowl. oh and if you watched the probowl roy only played special teams.

OK coach who's your first choice as RW's replacement?

 

[zeromaster]

And?..

Being named as a starter is something special; as a reserve, not quite so much. JMO

I am in the camp that Williams needs to play better and talk less. We'll see what the season brings in that department.

 

[dogunwo]

Tin Man would like a word with you...

hilarious.

 

[DallasCowpoke]

What I'd like to know is what is it that RW does that makes him any more of a liablility than any other SS in the league?

Besides sucking you mean?