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Sagarin poll updated, OU jumps UT.
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Cowlishaw gets it.
Originally Posted by Tim Cowlishaw/Dallas Morning News
In with OU, but out with Big 12 tiebreaker
12:52 AM CST on Sunday, November 30, 2008
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STILLWATER, Okla. – Oklahoma needed its fair share of good luck to take command of a football game with Oklahoma State on Saturday night.
The Sooners might need even more luck to win a beauty contest with Texas this afternoon.
After watching the Sooners' 61-41 victory over the Cowboys in a wild game at Boone Pickens Stadium, I think the Sooners should jump past Texas in the BCS rankings, a development that would put Oklahoma into the Big 12 championship game against Missouri.
I also think the Longhorns and their fans are right to think they are getting hosed in this process.
That's because Texas has a good gripe, not with the BCS system, but with the Big 12. The conference uses a three-way tiebreaker that is unimaginative and leaves everything in the hands of voters and computers.
With the Sooners, Longhorns and Texas Tech all tied at 7-1 in the Big 12 South, today's BCS rankings are used to break the tie.
It doesn't have to be that way.
It isn't that way in some other major conferences.
In the SEC and ACC, which also have two divisions within a conference, the tiebreaker actually uses game results to make the ultimate choice. They still use the BCS rankings to drop the lowest team (in this case, Texas Tech).
Then the head-to-head matchup between the two higher-ranked teams can determine who goes to the championship game.
In this case, that would make Texas' 45-35 win over Oklahoma in the Cotton Bowl the deciding factor.
And I understand why Longhorns fans think that should be the case. But it's not the case, not yet in the Big 12. And it's not fair in a three-way tie to simply say that Tech's victory over Texas doesn't exist. Or that Oklahoma's 44-point win over Tech shouldn't matter.
Until the Big 12 changes the rule – and we can only hope the conference will do it this off-season – you have to look at all the factors that can be considered.
And plenty of those factors favor the Sooners.
They finished the regular season by scoring more than 60 points against two strong, ranked teams – Tech and Oklahoma State.
The Sooners played the toughest schedule of the three tied teams. Cincinnati won the Big East and will be a top-15 team this week. TCU already is a top-15 team. The best nonconference team Texas played was Rice.
For what it's worth, the Sooners had the most impressive victory in the matchups of the three tied teams (65-21 over Tech). And on Saturday night, they scored the most impressive road win in the Big 12 this season.
The Sooners, Red Raiders and Longhorns did not lose at home this season. Neither did 12th-ranked Oklahoma State ... until Saturday night.
But will voters hold it against Oklahoma that they gave up 41 points? I don't think they should. Oklahoma State put at least 50 points on the board against every other team they played here except Baylor. And they beat the Bears, 34-6.
Will the Sooners be penalized in the minds of voters for scoring a lucky 73-yard touchdown on a pass that bounced off the hands of Manuel Johnson and traveled way downfield into the waiting arms of his teammate Jermaine Gresham?
Luck is part of the game.
I think Oklahoma's bigger concern is that the Longhorns and their fans have been very vocal about their 10-point win over the Sooners. It's a valid argument.
But in a three-way tie, it's only part of the argument, not the final solution.
Not at least until the Big 12 changes its tiebreaker rule and uses the rankings to eliminate one team, then uses what took place on the field to answer the ultimate question
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FT Worth Star Telegram says OU too.
Oklahoma Sooners make a strong closing statement
Originally Posted by Tim Cowlishaw/Dallas Morning News
In with OU, but out with Big 12 tiebreaker
12:52 AM CST on Sunday, November 30, 2008
STILLWATER, Okla. – Oklahoma needed its fair share of good luck to take command of a football game with Oklahoma State on Saturday night.
The Sooners might need even more luck to win a beauty contest with Texas this afternoon.
After watching the Sooners' 61-41 victory over the Cowboys in a wild game at Boone Pickens Stadium, I think the Sooners should jump past Texas in the BCS rankings, a development that would put Oklahoma into the Big 12 championship game against Missouri.
I also think the Longhorns and their fans are right to think they are getting hosed in this process.
That's because Texas has a good gripe, not with the BCS system, but with the Big 12. The conference uses a three-way tiebreaker that is unimaginative and leaves everything in the hands of voters and computers.
With the Sooners, Longhorns and Texas Tech all tied at 7-1 in the Big 12 South, today's BCS rankings are used to break the tie.
It doesn't have to be that way.
It isn't that way in some other major conferences.
In the SEC and ACC, which also have two divisions within a conference, the tiebreaker actually uses game results to make the ultimate choice. They still use the BCS rankings to drop the lowest team (in this case, Texas Tech).
Then the head-to-head matchup between the two higher-ranked teams can determine who goes to the championship game.
In this case, that would make Texas' 45-35 win over Oklahoma in the Cotton Bowl the deciding factor.
And I understand why Longhorns fans think that should be the case. But it's not the case, not yet in the Big 12. And it's not fair in a three-way tie to simply say that Tech's victory over Texas doesn't exist. Or that Oklahoma's 44-point win over Tech shouldn't matter.
Until the Big 12 changes the rule – and we can only hope the conference will do it this off-season – you have to look at all the factors that can be considered.
And plenty of those factors favor the Sooners.
They finished the regular season by scoring more than 60 points against two strong, ranked teams – Tech and Oklahoma State.
The Sooners played the toughest schedule of the three tied teams. Cincinnati won the Big East and will be a top-15 team this week. TCU already is a top-15 team. The best nonconference team Texas played was Rice.
For what it's worth, the Sooners had the most impressive victory in the matchups of the three tied teams (65-21 over Tech). And on Saturday night, they scored the most impressive road win in the Big 12 this season.
The Sooners, Red Raiders and Longhorns did not lose at home this season. Neither did 12th-ranked Oklahoma State ... until Saturday night.
But will voters hold it against Oklahoma that they gave up 41 points? I don't think they should. Oklahoma State put at least 50 points on the board against every other team they played here except Baylor. And they beat the Bears, 34-6.
Will the Sooners be penalized in the minds of voters for scoring a lucky 73-yard touchdown on a pass that bounced off the hands of Manuel Johnson and traveled way downfield into the waiting arms of his teammate Jermaine Gresham?
Luck is part of the game.
I think Oklahoma's bigger concern is that the Longhorns and their fans have been very vocal about their 10-point win over the Sooners. It's a valid argument.
But in a three-way tie, it's only part of the argument, not the final solution.
Not at least until the Big 12 changes its tiebreaker rule and uses the rankings to eliminate one team, then uses what took place on the field to answer the ultimate question
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FT Worth Star Telegram says OU too.
Oklahoma Sooners make a strong closing statement
MIKE JONES - Ft. Worth Startelegram
STILLWATER, Okla. — Oklahoma’s coaching staff will reach the fail-safe point sometime this mid- afternoon.
After the Sooners’ wild 61-41 victory over Oklahoma State on Saturday night, they know they have another game to prepare for. They just don’t know against whom. Or when. Now or later.
All plans will be on hold until the release of the BCS standings today between 3-3:30 p.m. that determine whether OU, Texas or Texas Tech will advance to play Missouri in Saturday’s Big 12 Championship Game.
All plans will be on hold until the release of the BCS standings today between 3-3:30 p.m. that determine whether OU, Texas or Texas Tech will advance to play Missouri in Saturday’s Big 12 Championship Game.
It should be Oklahoma.
Few can argue anyone has been hotter down the stretch than the Sooners, who since the October loss to Texas have rolled over six opponents in college football’s toughest division and scored 357 points in the process.
"There are plenty of reasons for us, as there are for other people," coach Bob Stoops said. "But in the end, our argument was stated here again [tonight].
"There are plenty of reasons for us, as there are for other people," coach Bob Stoops said. "But in the end, our argument was stated here again [tonight].
"I think we have a really good chance. You look at what we’ve done the last two weeks — played the No .2 team in the country [Tech] and win by 44 and play the No. 12 team in the country in their place where no one else has beaten them and win by 20.
"Usually it’s what you’re doing at the end of the year and we have finished pretty strong."
The extended final weekend did nothing to settle the issue, leaving three of the best teams in the country hopelessly locked in the dreaded three-way tie.
The extended final weekend did nothing to settle the issue, leaving three of the best teams in the country hopelessly locked in the dreaded three-way tie.
But what a race it’s been and Saturday night’s week-late shootout (see OU 65, Tech 21 last week) was a fitting end to an unprecedented chase for the South’s championship berth.
The question now becomes whether Oklahoma’s final victory was enough to convince the human voters and get the computers to churn out the numbers that say the Sooners are more deserving than Texas to fill the date in Kansas City, Mo., despite the 45-35 loss.
"[The wait] is going to be pretty nerve-wracking," quarterback Sam Bradford said after his four-touchdown, 370-yard passing performance. "Everything we did tonight says why we should be there."
The chances are good that will happen, because the Cowboys were a more worthy opponent than Texas A&M. And O-State proved that. And the mere fact that OU prevailed — scoring the game’s final 17 points after OSU closed to 44-41 on Perrish Cox’s 90-yard kickoff reurn — should be more than enough to keep them playing next week.
Time after time when the Cowboys punched, the Sooners punched back. And yes, in the end, OU gained some style points in the hardest-fought game the Sooners have played this season other than the one against the Longhorns.
"They had a little too much firepower for us," Pokes’ coach Mike Gundy said.
OSU had almost as much. The Sooners weren’t safe until OU defensive end Jeremy Beal finally got to Cowboys quarterback Zac Robinson and forced a fumble that was recovered with 2:20 left by Adrian Taylor. The recovery in turn led to Chris Brown’s late 28-yard touchdown run.
OSU had almost as much. The Sooners weren’t safe until OU defensive end Jeremy Beal finally got to Cowboys quarterback Zac Robinson and forced a fumble that was recovered with 2:20 left by Adrian Taylor. The recovery in turn led to Chris Brown’s late 28-yard touchdown run.
The game was closer than the 20-point victory margin indicated.
The contest was marked by outstanding individual performances and quirks as well. None perhaps were bigger than the 73-yard TD catch by tight end Jermaine Gresham — off teammate Manny Johnson’s fingertips — to give OU a 30-19 lead.
The contest was marked by outstanding individual performances and quirks as well. None perhaps were bigger than the 73-yard TD catch by tight end Jermaine Gresham — off teammate Manny Johnson’s fingertips — to give OU a 30-19 lead.
"I got lucky," admitted Gresham, who caught nine passes for 158 yards and two touchdowns. "But I’m going to roll with it. "We can’t really say too much about [what happens next] because we don’t know how it all works. But to be honest, I think we [should go]."
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trickblue;2452248 said:
THOSE DANG DOUBLE DIGITS!!! :laugh2:
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trickblue;2452250 said:
It's probably those tacos that bounced off your dome in Lubbock.
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Dallas;2452251 said:Its really not a big deal Trick. Again - emotion.
switzersflask;2452252 said:
So... you guys are OU fans... do you have a problem with OU playing for the NC after being beaten by UT on a neutral field by double digits?
I am not naturally a UT fan... in fact I originally was going to A&M... I just have a problem with this system and the justification for it...
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trickblue;2452256 said:
Of course not. I think Oklahoma shouldn't play for anything. I think we should just scrap this season because of the Texas game.
If Oklahoma can't beat Texas then they don't deserve a football season.
Who cares they kids played so well and Sam is probably the Heisman winner.
Oklahoma shouldnt be anywhere.
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trickblue;2452256 said:
It's frustrating because we're so powerless here. We can only hope the Cowboys never hire another Sooner-ex as head coach.
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Dallas;2452258 said:Of course not. I think Oklahoma shouldn't play for anything. I think we should just scrap this season because of the Texas game.
If Oklahoma can't beat Texas then they don't deserve a football season.
Who cares they kids played so well and Sam is probably the Heisman winner.
Oklahoma shouldnt be anywhere.
What do you mean?
Oklahoma already is nowhere.
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trickblue;2452256 said:
So what do you say about the Giants winning the Superbowl even though Dallas was the better team all throughout the season?
You can't go undefeated every year. You don't get undefeated National Champions every year.
We just so happened to BARELY lose to a team that is also in the National Championship hunt. We also just so happen to have just knocked off a National Champion contender that was #2 at the time, and the #12 team in the nation, in their house, and in a major rivalry environment.
The system is set up to factor in ALL of the season, not just October 11th.
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trickblue;2452257 said:
Both have great cases, I feel OU's is better. I feel the head to head should play a huge role, but so should the Texas Tech win over Texas and OU's impressive run late in the season against highly ranked conference foes.
Whatever decision is made tomorrow will be the correct one.
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Dallas;2452258 said:Of course not. I think Oklahoma shouldn't play for anything. I think we should just scrap this season because of the Texas game.
If Oklahoma can't beat Texas then they don't deserve a football season.
Who cares they kids played so well and Sam is probably the Heisman winner.
Oklahoma shouldnt be anywhere.
Jesus Christ Superstar...
Where did I say they shouldn't play? I just said they weren't the best...
It's just you OU fans putting yourself into the National Championship after a sound beating by UT... why do you guys hate me all of the sudden? Is it cause i just moved here, or i am a conservative?
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trickblue;2452266 said:
It's because you're not conservative enough?
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