Sagarin poll updated, OU jumps UT.

[ABQCOWBOY]

If Texas is scoring as fast as OU in the game in Austin OSU scores 41 easy. They nearly got 31 when Texas had long sustaining drives. And that game was again in Austin. Oklahoma State's offense is a great one. If OU had an offense like they had last year which consumes time or one like Texas the score of that game last night is more like 31-21. OU gives up points some but they also score faster than anyone and put the other teams offenses on the field more.

The Texas game OU just quit running the ball that's why they lost. Not saying Texas didn't deserve it, but OU killed themselves by being too one dimensional. Last night they could have done the same thing but instead they kept to the run game and won the game going away.

They scored 35 against Texas. They had every opportunity in the world to score more but they couldn't. OSU scored 24 against Texas. They had every opportunity in the world to score more but they couldn't. Those are the real facts. That's not could have, should have kinda stuff. That's what happened.

 

[Dallas]

They scored 35 against Texas. They had every opportunity in the world to score more but they couldn't. OSU scored 24 against Texas. They had every opportunity in the world to score more but they couldn't. Those are the real facts. That's not could have, should have kinda stuff. That's what happened.

Texas had every opportunity to beat Texas Tech. The couldn't

That vaunted defense you keep piping about had every opportunity to stop Tech and win the game.

They couldn't.


Fast foward to Norman. The stinky Oklahoma defense held Tech to how many pts? How many pts did they hold them to in the 1st quarter alone?

 

[Rogah]

I think they should be but that's not my decision. That decision was made by the BCS. Lets not say that because Tech is no longer in the running, that's somehow the fault of Texas. I'm just saying that if it has been decided that Tech is no longer considered for the Big12 Championship game, then it should be head to head, Texas vs OU.

Well, the Big XII disagrees with the "if" clause in your statement. As far as the Big XII is concerned, nobody has decided Tech is eliminated from the conference championship game. They have the same record as TX and OU, and all 3 teams are 1-1 head-to-head, which is why we are left with the #5 tie breaker.

Maybe Texas should lobby for a new tie-breaker system whereby if there is a 3-way tie then the team that played really crappy at the end of the season gets eliminated, which triggers a mechanism where they revert to head-to-head amongst the remaining 2 teams. But for now, no such mechanism exists.

I don't have a horse in this race (my alma mater won a real life playoff game yesterday ). I like all 3 teams and have been betting on each of them all season long so I am happy with how each of them has played. So I can say with no bias whatsoever that IMHO, you can't change the rules of the game after all the dice have been cast.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I'm just saying that there are a lot of people that believe that, right now, OU is better than Texas.

Right or not, that's what many believe.

I know Mack Brown likes to harp on the fact that Tech won it on the last play, but the stats show that Tech handled them pretty well for most of that game. Then, people see what OU did to Tech, and a lot of people start leaning that way.

That's not really the case thou Chief. I mean, let me just say that I don't agree with what the BCS did with Tech. I think that they should be right in the discussion and if the decision was that Tech went and Texas didn't, I would not have a beef with that. We lost fair and square. However, if you look at the Tech game, Tech had a lot of success in the first half against Texas and in the second half, Texas turned that around. Texas lost to Tech on the last play of the game. That's not a lie. Tech did not beat the crap out of Texas by any stretch. Had they done that, Texas would never have had a lead late in the 4th. We lost fair and square but we lost to Tech in Lubbock by 6 points. We beat OU by 10. The score of the OU/Tech game was convincing but honestly, doesn't OU pretty much always beat Tech since Leach has been there? Tech's inability to avoid TOs killed them. It is what it is but some big shock that OU beat up on Tech in Norman, it is not.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Well, the Big XII disagrees with the "if" clause in your statement. As far as the Big XII is concerned, nobody has decided Tech is eliminated from the conference championship game. They have the same record as TX and OU, and all 3 teams are 1-1 head-to-head, which is why we are left with the #5 tie breaker.

Maybe Texas should lobby for a new tie-breaker system whereby if there is a 3-way tie then the team that played really crappy at the end of the season gets eliminated, which triggers a mechanism where they revert to head-to-head amongst the remaining 2 teams. But for now, no such mechanism exists.

I don't have a horse in this race (my alma mater won a real life playoff game yesterday ). I like all 3 teams and have been betting on each of them all season long so I am happy with how each of them has played. So I can say with no bias whatsoever that IMHO, you can't change the rules of the game after all the dice have been cast.

Clearly, they do. Tech has zero chance of going to the Big12. That's a true statement. The question here is not about changing rules. The question here is who's rules?

 

[Chief]

That's not really the case thou Chief. I mean, let me just say that I don't agree with what the BCS did with Tech. I think that they should be right in the discussion and if the decision was that Tech went and Texas didn't, I would not have a beef with that. We lost fair and square. However, if you look at the Tech game, Tech had a lot of success in the first half against Texas and in the second half, Texas turned that around. Texas lost to Tech on the last play of the game. That's not a lie. Tech did not beat the crap out of Texas by any stretch. Had they done that, Texas would never have had a lead late in the 4th. We lost fair and square but we lost to Tech in Lubbock by 6 points. We beat OU by 10. The score of the OU/Tech game was convincing but honestly, doesn't OU pretty much always beat Tech since Leach has been there? Tech's inability to avoid TOs killed them. It is what it is but some big shock that OU beat up on Tech in Norman, it is not.

Leach & Tech beat OU two out of the last four years (both teams winning at home).

I didn't say Tech beat the crap out of Texas. But if you look at the stats and the gap in first downs and total yardage, Texas is fortunate to have had a chance late in the game to win it.

With Mack Brown and Texas fans, they may grudgingly admit losing to Tech, but there's always a "but."

I jumped into these threads simply because Brown's whiny voice was getting on my nerves. :laugh2:

 

[Dallas]

Leach & Tech beat OU two out of the last four years (both teams winning at home).

I didn't say Tech beat the crap out of Texas. But if you look at the stats and the gap in first downs and total yardage, Texas is fortunate to have had a chance late in the game to win it.

With Mack Brown and Texas fans, they may grudgingly admit losing to Tech, but there's always a "but."

I jumped into these threads simply because Brown's whiny voice was getting on my nerves. :laugh2:

Mack Brown. I think alot of what he's doing may come back and haunt him w/ the voters.

That pathetic show by him during the OU/OSU game last night was unreal.

 

[Rogah]

Clearly, they do. Tech has zero chance of going to the Big12. That's a true statement.

It's only true because we are able to anticipate the results of the polls. We all know Tech is not going to leap-frog from from #7 to #2 but theoretically it was certainly a possibility.

The Big XII #5 tie breaker for a 3-way tie is to go with BCS Standings. It seems to me that you want the BCS standings to eliminate Texas Tech but you don't want to use the BCS standings to decide between TX and OU.

The question here is not about changing rules. The question here is who's rules?

That question is easy to answer: It is the Big-XII's rules, as agreed upon by the members in advance of the season. Something tells me they are going to look long and hard at changing those rules this offseason but that is irrelevant regarding our problem today.

Maybe Texas should lobby for a rules change, such as in a 3-way tie the lowest BCS ranked team gets eliminated and then you revert back to head to head for the top-2. But you can't use tie-breaker #5 to eliminate 1 team, then refuse to acknowledge tie breaker #5 to look at the other 2 (at least, not under the current system).

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Leach & Tech beat OU two out of the last four years (both teams winning at home).

I didn't say Tech beat the crap out of Texas. But if you look at the stats and the gap in first downs and total yardage, Texas is fortunate to have had a chance late in the game to win it.

With Mack Brown and Texas fans, they may grudgingly admit losing to Tech, but there's always a "but."

I jumped into these threads simply because Brown's whiny voice was getting on my nerves. :laugh2:

Yet interestingly enough, even though Tech put up 406 yards on OU and committed 3 TOs in a game played at Norman, it's a dominating defeat that OU put up on Tech? See what I'm saying here?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

It's only true because we are able to anticipate the results of the polls. We all know Tech is not going to leap-frog from from #7 to #2 but theoretically it was certainly a possibility.

The Big XII #5 tie breaker for a 3-way tie is to go with BCS Standings. It seems to me that you want the BCS standings to eliminate Texas Tech but you don't want to use the BCS standings to decide between TX and OU.
That question is easy to answer: It is the Big-XII's rules, as agreed upon by the members in advance of the season. Something tells me they are going to look long and hard at changing those rules this offseason but that is irrelevant regarding our problem today.

Maybe Texas should lobby for a rules change, such as in a 3-way tie the lowest BCS ranked team gets eliminated and then you revert back to head to head for the top-2. But you can't use tie-breaker #5 to eliminate 1 team, then refuse to acknowledge tie breaker #5 to look at the other 2 (at least, not under the current system).

No, the BCS standing is not just the computer ranking. It's the Harris and the Coaches poll. How do you justify leapfrogging a higher ranked Texas team by such wide margins in the Coaches poll and Harris poll? As good an offense as OU has, there defense sucks. How do you justify a higher ranking if Texas has both a good offense and defense to go with a head to head victory over OU? That does not make sense to me.

 

[Chief]

Yet interestingly enough, even though Tech put up 406 yards on OU and committed 3 TOs in a game played at Norman, it's a dominating defeat that OU put up on Tech? See what I'm saying here?

Most of Tech's yardage came after the game had been decided (shortly after the kickoff).

I just think you like to debate, my friend. You're considerate and polite in how you do it, but you're relentless.

If your team was that relentless, they wouldn't have lost to Tech.

Anyway, as with most back-and-forth posts, we'll have to agree to disagree ... or something like that.

Just do what you can to keep your coach from talking.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Most of Tech's yardage came after the game had been decided (shortly after the kickoff).

I just think you like to debate, my friend. You're considerate and polite in how you do it, but you're relentless.

If your team was that relentless, they wouldn't have lost to Tech.

Anyway, as with most back-and-forth posts, we'll have to agree to disagree ... or something like that.

Just do what you can to keep your coach from talking.

I appriciate your words Chief. I know you don't like Texas and Mack Brown. I just don't think it's right. If the shoe were on the other foot, I'd say OU should go. Of course, the shoe seems to be on our collective necks where Texas is concerned but in my book, it's not right.

I guess we can pick this back up next season.

 

[Rogah]

No, the BCS standing is not just the computer ranking. It's the Harris and the Coaches poll. How do you justify leapfrogging a higher ranked Texas team by such wide margins in the Coaches poll and Harris poll? As good an offense as OU has, there defense sucks. How do you justify a higher ranking if Texas has both a good offense and defense to go with a head to head victory over OU? That does not make sense to me.

If you are asking me to explain the actions of human beings, I cannot do so. Besides, the two teams are virtually tied in the AP and Coaches' Polls and I would expect a similar result from the Harris, so the computer votes will be the ones that make the final decision.

If you are asking me to explain the actions of the computers, then that I can do. First of all, the timing of the games is irrelevant to the rankings, as is the point differential. And IIRC, head-to-head is not even factored into any of the computers' calculations.

The #1 and overwhelming tie-breaker the computers use is strength of schedule. Obviously different systems use different formulas and assign different weights and points to strength of victory, but what it really comes down to is looking at who has the tougher schedule. That is why the computers will probably have OU ahead of TX this evening.

Also, that's why when Tech got shellacked by OU, they dropped to 7.5 in the human polls, but dropped only to 4th in the computers. Heck, 2 of the 6 computers still had them ahead of OU.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

There's no way OU should jump Texas.