Salary cap Hell

[charron]

Pray they don't sign Dak to create cap space. That would be the dumbest move in the history of the NFL.

I'm already convinced they will make Dak the highest paid QB.

 

[jaythecowboy]

Of course but why worry about that now he's paying for $17 million that's $1 million a game we have him for this year we have Parsons for this year we have Prescott for this year we need to just stop worrying about business of football when the time comes the front office will figure it out if everyone has to figure this out right now it's all gonna start with Prescott they are waiting to see if they either sign in right before the season this year or let him test the market next year maybe he comes back maybe as a free agent he decides he wants to be a Dallas cowboy and at that point they will make the decision on lamb and Parsons there is no reason to pay them right now and there's no reason for fans to be freaking out over the business side of football because the one thing I've seen of Jerry Jones he overpays and he makes sure he take care of his superstars he has always done it and all of a sudden you think he's not gonna do it just because it's not on the fans timetable that's the problem here the fans are worried about **** they shouldn't be worried about!!!

We will have a pretty solid team this year and for 2024 that's all we need to be focused on who cares about 25,26, and 27 that will work itself out and yes those would be the years that one or all three of those players are gonna end up signing they have all that available to them with transition tags franchise tags cat manipulation they will do it when the time comes and then we will know about it and then we can discuss it discussing things that are out of our control and they're not important at this moment for 2024...

The Jones’ strategy is a big reason the team isnt progressing. That is why fans are upset. Yes Ceedee Lamb is only on the fifth year option but the first year of a new contract would have saved money on the cap this year that could have been used to make the team better. And the Cowboys waiting and eventually paying more than what they had to is exactly what fans are upset about. They have verbally expressed that they wait till the last minute to make deals and that is a bad strategy imo.

 

[CowboyoWales]

I'm already convinced they will make Dak the highest paid QB.

But that's more a reflection on Jerry's inability to run a franchise snd his near obsession with extending his draft picks than it is a sensible footballing decision.
The only way the Dak extension works is on a long contract, defer most of it dosn the line (ala Hurt's $92m in 2029) and go All-In in the short-term.....don't forget we still owe $40m on Daks CAP next year.

 

[Frosty]

CD and Parsons will both be paid. I'm not convinced Dak will be, I honestly think they are willing to let him walk next year.

I just got the sneaky suspicion you are right.. build the OL in 2024....let DAK walk...and then go all in on Prime Time and his son next year....You could have CD, Parsons and Shedeur Sanders for the next 5yrs and that would be a heck of lot cheaper than resigning DAK.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Cavanaugh keeps saying.........but Fish says

Probably a good sign you should stop listening to these guys.

Until the big 3 contracts are done, the salary cap situation doesn't really matter. Everything changes once they are taken care of.

 

[big dog cowboy]

go all in on Prime Time and his son next year...

HELL NO!!!!

 

[Chasing6]

The issue with that is the top of the market is going up every year. So the money you end up paying will be more. Plus if Lamb plays on one tag then the Cowboys would basically have to pay him whatever he wants because they couldnt do a second tag (especially if they are using it on Parsons).

History dictates what the Jonese's have done and most likely will do again. They may not use the tag at all, but not taking advantage of the 5th I think would be a mistake.

If you sign CD now, we will be renegotiating in 5 years. Making him play his 5th and a tag, then a 5 year deal. You have him for 7 years.

I would rather negotiate with an older CD, on his second contract.

 

[Chasing6]

Ok, is there a reason we can't build that with Dak? How much will these other QBs cost?

Dak will be signed. Not really any other options or it is time to rebuild. It should be an option to strongly consider, but Jerry does not want to start over.

 

[blueblood70]

The Jones’ strategy is a big reason the team isnt progressing. That is why fans are upset. Yes Ceedee Lamb is only on the fifth year option but the first year of a new contract would have saved money on the cap this year that could have been used to make the team better. And the Cowboys waiting and eventually paying more than what they had to is exactly what fans are upset about. They have verbally expressed that they wait till the last minute to make deals and that is a bad strategy imo.

And yet there are a bunch of wide receivers right now on 50 or options as well as other positions you keep saying it's a Jones issue it's the way you deal with the salary cap but it's also sending a message this year and that's what's he he's doing and let me know when you're $10 billion NFL team is up for this type of situation so you can let us know how you handled it Mr. J the cowboy fan not the Dallas cowboy owner GM or front office last I checked, I believe Justin Jefferson and jamar chase as well as some others are on 5th year options and waiting on a contract literally this is the business side that fans need to stick their face out of!!!,,

because there's a good reason Jerry's waiting, who cares if it costs an extra 3 million later they're going to make these dudes play for their contracts this year, and they're leaving it open... so we have a chance to possibly trade them before we hand them a big contract, maybe a little easier to trade them but it is not a Jones problem, you can keep saying it I'm going to keep telling you you're a fake GM you're on the Internet, you don't know what you're talking about.... some teams need to work stuff out and the main thing we need to work out is Prescott's contract if he's here then it's going to be easier to deal with the other two, if he's not, then you have to consider trading them as well as Diggs cut tank and Martin...thats the reality of it..

I'm sorry that you don't understand that is why Mike McCarthy, Prescott and, all these other players haven't got their deals done YET, it is not them doing this on purpose because they've paid players before for many decades, they have made their players the highest paid players...

As much as you don't like the Jones family and you think they're a bunch of monkeys running the team they're businessmen that run five very successful businesses that are in the millions and billions and they know how to run them better than you better than anybody in here I don't care what the opinions are there are things that workout and they decided this offseason they were gonna handle it different and I don't see a damn problem with it these players are here this year and that's all that matters.....​

 

[baltcowboy]

Chis Simms thinks CeeDee is overrated and Dak is underrated. Says he is not in the same league as Jefferson. Says CeeDee does not have break away speed. What games has he watched??? That 95 yard touchdown and 60 yard touchdown last season against Detroit/Miami was not enough.

 

[blueblood70]

Chis Simms thinks CeeDee is overrated and Dak is underrated. Says he is not in the same league as Jefferson. Says CeeDee does not have break away speed. What games has he watched??? That 95 yard touchdown and 60 yard touchdown last season against Detroit/Miami was not enough.

First of all, I think CD lambs at top five receiver in the league.. who's the best, I don't know I say Tyreke, CD may not be on Justin Jefferson's level but dont watch him enough..

but please don't use that 1 95 yard play which I really love it was a great play but it was a broken coverage, and he didn't have to do much to get open and he was not running like jets blazing he just had nobody on him and all he had to do was about three-quarter speed all the way to the end zone.... So as far as demonstrating his breakaway speed that's not the play.... He does have enough moves to get open and get separation blazing speed I don't know he definitely is not tyreke hill..

But I have to agree with whoever is on the side that if CD lamb is gonna demand the highest paid biggest salary ever by a wide receiver I might have to consider trading the guy he is not the best receiver in the league does he deserve top five money yes but that's where Trayvon diggs is right now he's 5th in the league he was fourth but he didn't get the top money at corner and I don't want our players looking to be setting the market and having the biggest NFL contracts for their position ever because it doesn't help the team but yes he deserves top five money whatever that is 30 ish to 33..IDK.. I think right now A.J. Brown got 33 but I don't know it's that new money old money what is this real average but this debate's going to happen because at some point,, Lamb did not break open that playoff game and by the way he literally actually dropped a couple balls set the tone early with a kind of a pouty attitude and that's not what I want to see from a guy who wants $35 million a year and that goes for Parsons as well.... They're all on notice.... I would love to see Prescott Parsons diggs and lamb have their very best games in the playoffs literally set the tone have a career game and actually be the reason we go to the next round that is what we're looking for you just can't keep getting top market money and we keep ending up in the same spot yearly....

 

[baltcowboy]

First of all, I think CD lambs at top five receiver in the league.. who's the best, I don't know I say Tyreke, CD may not be on Justin Jefferson's level but dont watch him enough..

but please don't use that 1 95 yard play which I really love it was a great play but it was a broken coverage, and he didn't have to do much to get open and he was not running like jets blazing he just had nobody on him and all he had to do was about three-quarter speed all the way to the end zone.... So as far as demonstrating his breakaway speed that's not the play.... He does have enough moves to get open and get separation blazing speed I don't know he definitely is not tyreke hill..

But I have to agree with whoever is on the side that if CD lamb is gonna demand the highest paid biggest salary ever by a wide receiver I might have to consider trading the guy he is not the best receiver in the league does he deserve top five money yes but that's where Trayvon diggs is right now he's 5th in the league he was fourth but he didn't get the top money at corner and I don't want our players looking to be setting the market and having the biggest NFL contracts for their position ever because it doesn't help the team but yes he deserves top five money whatever that is 30 ish to 33..IDK.. I think right now A.J. Brown got 33 but I don't know it's that new money old money what is this real average but this debate's going to happen because at some point,, Lamb did not break open that playoff game and by the way he literally actually dropped a couple balls set the tone early with a kind of a pouty attitude and that's not what I want to see from a guy who wants $35 million a year and that goes for Parsons as well.... They're all on notice.... I would love to see Prescott Parsons diggs and lamb have their very best games in the playoffs literally set the tone have a career game and actually be the reason we go to the next round that is what we're looking for you just can't keep getting top market money and we keep ending up in the same spot yearly....

I disagree CeeDee has proven to be on there level. Last two seasons all pro with questionable talent around him. CeeDee statistically is right with Tyreek and Jefferson the last two seasons. When it is all said and done CeeDee will be the best Cowboys receiver ever. The only player on the Cowboys offense that defenses fear is CeeDee.

 

[Sully]

Ok from what I am seeing and please correct me..... How can you pay Dak 60 mil., CD 30-35 mil and MP 35-40 mil and field a competitive team. I kinda get the conundrum here with the va jays (JJ & Stephen). Do we trade them? What is the answer?? Me....not paying Yak top 10 QB. My take on WR is we can find some one to catch the ball, no offence CD but we have to field a competitive team here. MP.....not LT status by a long shot. Pouty and moodie.....just bust chops and play the game no matter what. and shut your damn mouth.

My opinion isn't popular, especially for selling jerseys, but I am trading players away in the 4th season. Even the superstars because you can get 3-4 draft picks for one player. You stay away from "cap hell", you depth is far better with more darts thrown at the draft. And when you think you are "close", then you can trade a few draft picks to get that players to get you to Superbowl. I am not going to pay ANY ANY ANY player 40+ Million / season to play a game. Sorry. Stay youthful, get depth and keep your cap situation under control.

 

[KingCorcoran]

He's 'worth', not as much as he receives, on basis that a team he's on needs a strong running game and Defense to overcome his 'struggles' with pressure.

Id concede it's possible to give the above, but it would mean Dak giving a longer contract (ala Hurts - $97m hit in 2029), but it appears (well mentioned by Broaddus Love of the Star)....that Dak maybe looking for another short term contract.

So, if Dak doesnt accept a contract that allows deferred payments into the future, it's time for a change of strategy.....Cowboys 2016 or present day SF.

Dak Prescott/Todd France will be looking for minimum $180 million guaranteed. It’s likely Dak’s last player contract. It’s the amount of guaranteed money that’s the primary concern. He’ll get it from Dallas or some other team.

 

[blueblood70]

I disagree CeeDee has proven to be on there level. Last two seasons all pro with questionable talent around him. CeeDee statistically is right with Tyreek and Jefferson the last two seasons. When it is all said and done CeeDee will be the best Cowboys receiver ever. The only player on the Cowboys offense that defenses fear is CeeDee.

Did you just decide to read over whatever it is you wanted to see and then react I mean he is nowhere near as fast and has the breakaway speed as tyreek hill and just overall talent people are saying Justin Jefferson is probably slightly better I'm saying it doesn't matter because he does not deserve to be the highest paid NFL receiver ever until he does something in the playoffs you do realize that tyree kill has done this in Super Bowls right he breaks open games he's hard to cover our receiver dropped passes started pouting and none of our players up for big contracts have deserved to be paid yet and that's why it's on hold there's a good reason why it's on hold the guys making $1,000,000 a year right now 17 games 17,000,000 let's not be crying for the man who has yet to step up in the playoffs.... What we want to see from them is the same stuff we saw from Michael Irvin Emmitt Smith and Troy Aikman as well as some of our greatest pass rushers like Charles Haley in the big games bro do you not understand what the playoffs mean to a persons demands for their new contracts they need to step up in the big lights... That will get him his big bag...

I mean I'm not gonna go back and look at it because this is no big deal to me but please show me that at least I believe A.J. Brown and even devante Smith weren't they just in a Super Bowl and they won an NFC championship game and I'm not sure it was A.J. Brown on the Titans team that made it to an AFC championship game I mean we're just talking about some of these guys not just with Jefferson cause he hasn't done squat either...

We wanna see these guys step up when it matters and then we can talk about what they actually deserve when we're talking about breaking the market open at their positions.

 

[KingCorcoran]

And yet there are a bunch of wide receivers right now on 50 or options as well as other positions you keep saying it's a Jones issue it's the way you deal with the salary cap but it's also sending a message this year and that's what's he he's doing and let me know when you're $10 billion NFL team is up for this type of situation so you can let us know how you handled it Mr. J the cowboy fan not the Dallas cowboy owner GM or front office last I checked, I believe Justin Jefferson and jamar chase as well as some others are on 5th year options and waiting on a contract literally this is the business side that fans need to stick their face out of!!!,,

because there's a good reason Jerry's waiting, who cares if it costs an extra 3 million later they're going to make these dudes play for their contracts this year, and they're leaving it open... so we have a chance to possibly trade them before we hand them a big contract, maybe a little easier to trade them but it is not a Jones problem, you can keep saying it I'm going to keep telling you you're a fake GM you're on the Internet, you don't know what you're talking about.... some teams need to work stuff out and the main thing we need to work out is Prescott's contract if he's here then it's going to be easier to deal with the other two, if he's not, then you have to consider trading them as well as Diggs cut tank and Martin...thats the reality of it..

I'm sorry that you don't understand that is why Mike McCarthy, Prescott and, all these other players haven't got their deals done YET, it is not them doing this on purpose because they've paid players before for many decades, they have made their players the highest paid players...

As much as you don't like the Jones family and you think they're a bunch of monkeys running the team they're businessmen that run five very successful businesses that are in the millions and billions and they know how to run them better than you better than anybody in here I don't care what the opinions are there are things that workout and they decided this offseason they were gonna handle it different and I don't see a damn problem with it these players are here this year and that's all that matters.....​

That’s not all that matters. And no one posting here professes to know how to run an NFL franchise better than Jerry Jones. The concern among fans, and it’s a valid concern, is can Jerry Jones run a franchise well enough to win a Super Bowl in the contemporary National Football League.

 

[baltcowboy]

Did you just decide to read over whatever it is you wanted to see and then react I mean he is nowhere near as fast and has the breakaway speed as tyreek hill and just overall talent people are saying Justin Jefferson is probably slightly better I'm saying it doesn't matter because he does not deserve to be the highest paid NFL receiver ever until he does something in the playoffs you do realize that tyree kill has done this in Super Bowls right he breaks open games he's hard to cover our receiver dropped passes started pouting and none of our players up for big contracts have deserved to be paid yet and that's why it's on hold there's a good reason why it's on hold the guys making $1,000,000 a year right now 17 games 17,000,000 let's not be crying for the man who has yet to step up in the playoffs.... What we want to see from them is the same stuff we saw from Michael Irvin Emmitt Smith and Troy Aikman as well as some of our greatest pass rushers like Charles Haley in the big games bro do you not understand what the playoffs mean to a persons demands for their new contracts they need to step up in the big lights... That will get him his big bag...

I mean I'm not gonna go back and look at it because this is no big deal to me but please show me that at least I believe A.J. Brown and even devante Smith weren't they just in a Super Bowl and they won an NFC championship game and I'm not sure it was A.J. Brown on the Titans team that made it to an AFC championship game I mean we're just talking about some of these guys not just with Jefferson cause he hasn't done squat either...

We wanna see these guys step up when it matters and then we can talk about what they actually deserve when we're talking about breaking the market open at their positions.

He out performed both Tyreek and Jefferson in the playoffs the last two seasons. I would take CeeDee over both players. Tyreek and Jefferson have more talent around them. Both Cousins and Tua throw a better ball then Dak.

 

[blueblood70]

He out performed both Tyreek and Jefferson in the playoffs the last two seasons. I would take CeeDee over both players. Tyreek and Jefferson have more talent around them. Both Cousins and Tua throw a better ball then Dak.

Then go start a go fund me and go pay his salary until then he can make his little chump change sock drawer money in 17 million $1 million a game until Jerry decides it's time to pay the guy because until then you got no choice I'm telling you he hasn't done anything in the playoffs individually not the team losses I'm talking about his numbers and don't give me that crap in the garbage time last game against Green Bay in the second-half when they pulled all their damn players talking about in the first half of those games our team is not stepping up the last three playoff losses the first halves have been dismal at best.. And that includes lamb who I want on this team but I understand why Jerry has laid down the law he wants to see something more or he's he might have to make some drastic changes and if you believe he's that good we should be able to get two first round picks and a player or two first round picks and a third round pick and treat the guy away and probably go into the draft and get another guy similar to him because there are a lot of them coming out in the first round lately.... I'm just saying there's a reason why he hasn't got extended yet and it's not just on him Jerry is taking that stance this time he has not done this in the past but he's making up his mind but it starts with Prescott and then the rest of those dominoes will fall with him Mike McCarthy all these players up for deals they're all on notice and that's a good way to make them put up something in the playoffs...

I said the guy deserves top five money but setting a new market I am saying no he has not shown me anything in the playoffs they say that he deserves to be the highest paid wide receiver in the league I'm sorry he hasn't....

 

[CowboyoWales]

Dak Prescott/Todd France will be looking for minimum $180 million guaranteed. It’s likely Dak’s last player contract. It’s the amount of guaranteed money that’s the primary concern. He’ll get it from Dallas or some other team.

It's not going to be his last contract, if it is then it's going to be way north of $180m guaranteed. He'll easily get $180m, it will only take one desperate team to offer something ridiculous.

 

[Flamma]

The Eagles got a WR making 32M a year, another WR making 25M a year, and a QB making 45M a year. It doesn't stop there. They have around 25M in cap space. It can be done. They just push a lot of that forward. It gives them a window of about 3-4 years until crap hits the fan. But they're trying to win now.