Salary cap Hell

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My opinion isn't popular, especially for selling jerseys, but I am trading players away in the 4th season. Even the superstars because you can get 3-4 draft picks for one player. You stay away from "cap hell", you depth is far better with more darts thrown at the draft. And when you think you are "close", then you can trade a few draft picks to get that players to get you to Superbowl. I am not going to pay ANY ANY ANY player 40+ Million / season to play a game. Sorry. Stay youthful, get depth and keep your cap situation under control.
I wouldn’t trade everyone but definitely think the Cowboys should be doing that more often. I think the Cowboys should be doing that more than more teams because they value the draft so much and they are supposedly so great at drafting. If that’s the case give yourself more draft capital to work with.
 

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I'm sorry that you don't understand that is why Mike McCarthy, Prescott and, all these other players haven't got their deals done YET, it is not them doing this on purpose because they've paid players before for many decades, they have made their players the highest paid players...


As much as you don't like the Jones family and you think they're a bunch of monkeys running the team they're businessmen that run five very successful businesses that are in the millions and billions and they know how to run them better than you better than anybody in here I don't care what the opinions are there are things that workout and they decided this offseason they were gonna handle it different and I don't see a damn problem with it these players are here this year and that's all that matters.....​
Took out the rest of your post coz I didn't read it.. went to the end to see if you were summing up your soliloquy.

Don't be sorry for him.. feel sorry for yourself.. you honestly think Eminem is just waiting to get a deal done?.. obviously you do with the "yet" in caps.

and (Mrs Jones).. a lot of us think your family are a bunch of monkeys trying to run an NFL team.. just because they know how to make money doesn't automatically make them "football savvy".

So next time you feel like putting down another "poster".. think.. hmmm.. maybe I'm not always right and other people may have differing opinions than I have... maybe I don't have to be quite so condescending.

My summing up is.. feel sorry for yourself and not others.
 

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Took out the rest of your post coz I didn't read it.. went to the end to see if you were summing up your soliloquy.

Don't be sorry for him.. feel sorry for yourself.. you honestly think Eminem is just waiting to get a deal done?.. obviously you do with the "yet" in caps.

and (Mrs Jones).. a lot of us think your family are a bunch of monkeys trying to run an NFL team.. just because they know how to make money doesn't automatically make them "football savvy".

So next time you feel like putting down another "poster".. think.. hmmm.. maybe I'm not always right and other people may have differing opinions than I have... maybe I don't have to be quite so condescending.

My summing up is.. feel sorry for yourself and not others.
good thing i read ZERO of yours made zero sense.... next!!
 

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good thing i read ZERO of yours made zero sense.... next!!
No. One part of his post made a lot of sense. Just because you're good at business, doesn't make you an expert at everything. Their talent through experience is making money and building a business. Every offseason they show you this through their actions.

Ever since Jerry bought the team until about 2012, they tried to field a championship team. With very limited success after Jimmy left. In fact, they were bad at it. Besides Deion and T.O., the few bright spots, everything else he did was crap. It hurt the team more than helped. Which is probably why they stopped doing it and went to this new system. This new system limits your ability to make bad decisions. But at the same time, it holds you back from getting better results. But what do they care? As long as their investment is worth a fortune. They're now doing what they're good at doing.
 

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No. One part of his post made a lot of sense. Just because you're good at business, doesn't make you an expert at everything. Their talent through experience is making money and building a business. Every offseason they show you this through their actions.

Ever since Jerry bought the team until about 2012, they tried to field a championship team. With very limited success after Jimmy left. In fact, they were bad at it. Besides Deion and T.O., the few bright spots, everything else he did was crap. It hurt the team more than helped. Which is probably why they stopped doing it and went to this new system. This new system limits your ability to make bad decisions. But at the same time, it holds you back from getting better results. But what do they care? As long as their investment is worth a fortune. They're now doing what they're good at doing.
Basically, I'm just saying that for once they didn't run out and overpay their players and for once they draw a line in the sand and saying look we want to see more results when it counts big time in the playoffs...

that doesn't mean they're not going to pay one or all three of these guys, it could happen right before this season, it could happen whenever... they're just deciding to make some of these players and coaches prove it and there's nothing wrong with that other teams do it all the time... so once Jerry Jones finally says I'm going to wait and see I want to see what you all are going to bring this year before I make my decision, it doesn't mean he's not going to make the decision anyway like he did with zeke and he waited after the franchise tag with Prescott...

it doesn't matter people are making a big deal about this and it's not truly about the salary cap if he wanted to make it work it actually would make more sense for the salary cap if he signed Prescott could have freed up more money, but he did not he chose to wait, and I don't blame him for being that frustrated right now...

In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with what he's doing, I don't see why people are whining and crying ,we are not in salary cap hell,

we are in a holding pattern is what I would call it,

Jerry put it in neutral, he made it clear to the team that even the best players and the head coach are probably going to have to prove it before he decides whether he wants to give them market money which is got really ridiculous and I don't blame a man for taking a little extra time within the rules.. I mean they make the franchise tag, the transition tag, the 5th year options ,there so you can stagger contracts and you can take a little bit more time to evaluate what to pay these players, how long, bonus money ,or an option to trade them and this time..Jerry is taking a little more time and everyone's losing their mind.

I mean even the fact that they let Tyron Smith go and people are angry those same angry people were saying Jerry's holding on to his beloved players for too long long past their prime and they thought we should cut Tyra Smith four years ago you know I'm here I read Facebook social media ice all the fan reaction everybody wanted Tyrone gone now that he's gone they want to cry because no matter what Jerry does people will have the opposite reaction of what they really should have.....

So again, I trust that a group that runs the Dallas Cowboys not Jerry everyone up there including our real GM and McClay are making decisions better best for this franchise right at this moment and I will take their judgment like I said they run like 4 multi million to billion dollar businesses and I believe they have a process of a group of decision makers better advising him to do it this way and I rather trust them than a bunch of fans on a social media site claiming they think they know more and also think they know the operations of their minds...

Ohh and lastly everyone keeps saying they're just business people you know if I spent 33 years on a job and have had success and we've had some ups and downs but all the people that have crossed their paths that have been here like Jimmy Johnson bill Parcells and don't act like some of these other coaches haven't had success that they recently brought in and that they haven't absorbed any of that from anyone and you're telling me that the whole entire management and organization knows nothing about football you're saying we have no football guys on this team that can advise and help the Jones family I mean it's ridiculous every time I hear that they've been in football people for 33 years now they may have made a ton of mistakes the first five years after Jimmy left yes we all saw it but the last 10 years and especially the last five I feel like they've made a lot of changes and just because they're not out there doing the all in high risk gambling free agent thing and they make some decisions that fans don't like you act like they are just business people and not football people they literally are football people I mean Jerry only brought in Jimmy because they played what on a national championship team in college he played football he brought in a football mine he's been around a lot of football people you have to absorb some of it you've literally been around it 33 years I'd say you're a very experienced football person now.... I'm not saying they do things perfectly I'm saying it's nonsense it's another busted narrative to act like the Jones family are not football people and they need a real football person in here to fix everything... You don't become a top six team in the league and do what they've done the last three to six years by not knowing what you're doing they're beating out all these football people in these GM's when you're top six it means somebody's not beating you they apparently have better football people and that includes the Eagles we beat them twice for the division and I get we want more but don't act like the Jones family don't know anything about the business of football and that they just know about making money... No one can spend 33 years on a job and not pick up something from real football people...
 

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Basically, I'm just saying that for once they didn't run out and overpay their players and for once they draw a line in the sand and saying look we want to see more results when it counts big time in the playoffs...

that doesn't mean they're not going to pay one or all three of these guys, it could happen right before this season, it could happen whenever... they're just deciding to make some of these players and coaches prove it and there's nothing wrong with that other teams do it all the time... so once Jerry Jones finally says I'm going to wait and see I want to see what you all are going to bring this year before I make my decision, it doesn't mean he's not going to make the decision anyway like he did with zeke and he waited after the franchise tag with Prescott...

it doesn't matter people are making a big deal about this and it's not truly about the salary cap if he wanted to make it work it actually would make more sense for the salary cap if he signed Prescott could have freed up more money, but he did not he chose to wait, and I don't blame him for being that frustrated right now...

In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with what he's doing, I don't see why people are whining and crying ,we are not in salary cap hell,

we are in a holding pattern is what I would call it,

Jerry put it in neutral, he made it clear to the team that even the best players and the head coach are probably going to have to prove it before he decides whether he wants to give them market money which is got really ridiculous and I don't blame a man for taking a little extra time within the rules.. I mean they make the franchise tag, the transition tag, the 5th year options ,there so you can stagger contracts and you can take a little bit more time to evaluate what to pay these players, how long, bonus money ,or an option to trade them and this time..Jerry is taking a little more time and everyone's losing their mind.

I mean even the fact that they let Tyron Smith go and people are angry those same angry people were saying Jerry's holding on to his beloved players for too long long past their prime and they thought we should cut Tyra Smith four years ago you know I'm here I read Facebook social media ice all the fan reaction everybody wanted Tyrone gone now that he's gone they want to cry because no matter what Jerry does people will have the opposite reaction of what they really should have.....

So again, I trust that a group that runs the Dallas Cowboys not Jerry everyone up there including our real GM and McClay are making decisions better best for this franchise right at this moment and I will take their judgment like I said they run like 4 multi million to billion dollar businesses and I believe they have a process of a group of decision makers better advising him to do it this way and I rather trust them than a bunch of fans on a social media site claiming they think they know more and also think they know the operations of their minds...

Ohh and lastly everyone keeps saying they're just business people you know if I spent 33 years on a job and have had success and we've had some ups and downs but all the people that have crossed their paths that have been here like Jimmy Johnson bill Parcells and don't act like some of these other coaches haven't had success that they recently brought in and that they haven't absorbed any of that from anyone and you're telling me that the whole entire management and organization knows nothing about football you're saying we have no football guys on this team that can advise and help the Jones family I mean it's ridiculous every time I hear that they've been in football people for 33 years now they may have made a ton of mistakes the first five years after Jimmy left yes we all saw it but the last 10 years and especially the last five I feel like they've made a lot of changes and just because they're not out there doing the all in high risk gambling free agent thing and they make some decisions that fans don't like you act like they are just business people and not football people they literally are football people I mean Jerry only brought in Jimmy because they played what on a national championship team in college he played football he brought in a football mine he's been around a lot of football people you have to absorb some of it you've literally been around it 33 years I'd say you're a very experienced football person now.... I'm not saying they do things perfectly I'm saying it's nonsense it's another busted narrative to act like the Jones family are not football people and they need a real football person in here to fix everything... You don't become a top six team in the league and do what they've done the last three to six years by not knowing what you're doing they're beating out all these football people in these GM's when you're top six it means somebody's not beating you they apparently have better football people and that includes the Eagles we beat them twice for the division and I get we want more but don't act like the Jones family don't know anything about the business of football and that they just know about making money... No one can spend 33 years on a job and not pick up something from real football people...
I don't have a problem with what you're saying here. After the GB game, how can you blame them? They have to be thinking, what are we paying for? I can totally understand they want people to prove it now.
 

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I don't have a problem with what you're saying here. After the GB game, how can you blame them? They have to be thinking, what are we paying for? I can totally understand they want people to prove it now.
And I totally understand some fans viewpoints thinking they're being cheap or saying that if you don't get them done sooner you pay more later

but at some point we gotta stop worrying about their money... I realize we have a salary cap but I do get that side of the argument that if you sign in now before some of these other deals with Jamar chase Justin Jefferson and then on the other side of it it's looks like golf to a and some others might be up for deals that yeah if we were being smart and really confident they would sign them all early but I just can't blame them for what they're doing right now...
 

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And I totally understand some fans viewpoints thinking they're being cheap or saying that if you don't get them done sooner you pay more later

but at some point we gotta stop worrying about their money... I realize we have a salary cap but I do get that side of the argument that if you sign in now before some of these other deals with Jamar chase Justin Jefferson and then on the other side of it it's looks like golf to a and some others might be up for deals that yeah if we were being smart and really confident they would sign them all early but I just can't blame them for what they're doing right now...
“can’t blame them for what they’re doing now…”, if Jerry Jones is trying to rectify the Dallas Cowboys’ current situation it’s a situation he created by the management of his franchise. I agree it’s not “being cheap” because there is also a salary floor. If you don’t like the word “blame”, just go with “responsible”. It’s a more dignified and fitting term for a billionaire owner of an NFL franchise. As in “Jerry Jones is responsible for the Cowboys’ current situation”. Obviously no one else is.
 

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Very late here.....

But overall contract value is not the same as the actual cap hit. The Cowboys have plenty of cap space to sign Dak, CeeDee, and Micah and still have money left over. It's all in the wording. They can convert large portions of base salaries into up-front bonuses; then spread the difference out over future years to lessen the cap hit.

In theory you can keep "borrowing" from future seasons forever; but the time will come when a large portion of your cap will be owed to players no longer on the roster. Remember, the Cowboys were paying Tony Romo through 2019; three years after he took his last NFL snap.

But in the case of guys like Lamb and Parsons, the plan is to have them here a long time anyway. So really there is no excuse for the Cowboys not to be proactive and get them secured sooner rather than later.
 

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No. One part of his post made a lot of sense. Just because you're good at business, doesn't make you an expert at everything. Their talent through experience is making money and building a business. Every offseason they show you this through their actions.

Ever since Jerry bought the team until about 2012, they tried to field a championship team. With very limited success after Jimmy left. In fact, they were bad at it. Besides Deion and T.O., the few bright spots, everything else he did was crap. It hurt the team more than helped. Which is probably why they stopped doing it and went to this new system. This new system limits your ability to make bad decisions. But at the same time, it holds you back from getting better results. But what do they care? As long as their investment is worth a fortune. They're now doing what they're good at doing.
And they've gone out of their way to prove they are terrible at evaluating NFL players/draftees.
 

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The Eagles got a WR making 32M a year, another WR making 25M a year, and a QB making 45M a year. It doesn't stop there. They have around 25M in cap space. It can be done. They just push a lot of that forward. It gives them a window of about 3-4 years until crap hits the fan. But they're trying to win now.
Part of creating the cap space to do so was trading away Wentz n his contract.
 

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That’s not all that matters. And no one posting here professes to know how to run an NFL franchise better than Jerry Jones. The concern among fans, and it’s a valid concern, is can Jerry Jones run a franchise well enough to win a Super Bowl in the contemporary National Football League.
Yup, it's not about whether fans can run it better, that's irrelevant.
 

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I'm gonna take flak for this but, I'd keep Ceedee let Dak go after the season, and deal Micah for a boatload of picks a la Herschel Walker trade and build this puppy over but ONLY with a strong new HC calling the shots
This is exactly what needs to happen. Keep CD. He’s good for any quarterback.

Micah should be dealt. But it won’t happen. Jerry would never pull the trigger. But you can bet your bottom dollar Jimmy would orchestrate that move.

Like the way you think here.
 

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1. SALARY CAP HELL ONLY EXISTS IF YOU WANT IT TOO. '
2. THERE ARE A MULTITUDE OF WAYS ONE CAN MANIPULATE THE NUMBERS TO REDUCE THE YEARLY CAP NUMBER FOR ANY INDIVIDUAL. MANY MECHANISM ARE BUILT INTO EACH PLAYERS CONTRACT.
3. STEPHEN WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE IN CAP HELL SO HE HAS AN EXCUSE WHY HE CAN NOT BUILD A CHAMPIONSHIP ROSTER OR SPEND MONEY LIKE OTHER TEAMS DO.
Thanks, if more fans realized this then it would put pressure on the front office to actually make moves like real NFL franchises. The problem is that most fans see a QB getting apy of 50 million and think of it like simple math rather looking at the structure of the contract. The Jones rely on these fans because it 's easier to sell them the "piece of the pie" theory that Stephen spews. Thanks for being in the 5% of Cowboys fans that understand what the front office is really trying to sell us.
 

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1. SALARY CAP HELL ONLY EXISTS IF YOU WANT IT TOO. '
2. THERE ARE A MULTITUDE OF WAYS ONE CAN MANIPULATE THE NUMBERS TO REDUCE THE YEARLY CAP NUMBER FOR ANY INDIVIDUAL. MANY MECHANISM ARE BUILT INTO EACH PLAYERS CONTRACT.
3. STEPHEN WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE IN CAP HELL SO HE HAS AN EXCUSE WHY HE CAN NOT BUILD A CHAMPIONSHIP ROSTER OR SPEND MONEY LIKE OTHER TEAMS DO.
The credit card has to be paid at some time (eg the Eagles bill comes in 2029 with Hurts $97m hit). There is a point of view that taking a hit in 2024, puts us in a position to come back stronger in 2025. Id argue that this goes to Dak as well, if he's not going to sign a (long) extension that allows us to kick money down the road (and go ALL-IN), then Pre-June him .....AND CLEAR THE DEAD MONEY in 2024. The resources saved on his $29m salary and outstanding Dead Money (by finding just $11m in restructures).

If we cut Dak Pre-June.....cleared CAP......that would be such an attractive proposal for any professional GM, who's got: a clean slate, veteran talent, decent number of young players .....and may want to go in for Dak.
Thanks, if more fans realized this then it would put pressure on the front office to actually make moves like real NFL franchises.
I dont think the Jones' problem is spending on the Cap, it's more down to not having a plan on how they spend. For years we've used the Same 'Ole strategy of having to compete IN EVERY YEAR behind restructuring contracts into Void/Dead Money, which inevitably means we can only afford the elite contracts (it's never the number of elite contracts, that kills us, its the inordinate number of JAGS that we are left with).

With Jerry's subjective interference of liking his own, and inability to make to make difficult decisions (i.e. trading ANY stars) because he 'likes his own' is central to this.
 

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Ok from what I am seeing and please correct me..... How can you pay Dak 60 mil., CD 30-35 mil and MP 35-40 mil and field a competitive team. I kinda get the conundrum here with the va jays (JJ & Stephen). Do we trade them? What is the answer?? Me....not paying Yak top 10 QB. My take on WR is we can find some one to catch the ball, no offence CD but we have to field a competitive team here. MP.....not LT status by a long shot. Pouty and moodie.....just bust chops and play the game no matter what. and shut your damn mouth.
Since when are WR's and defensive ends getting 35-40M a year? Not happening
 

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Ok from what I am seeing and please correct me..... How can you pay Dak 60 mil., CD 30-35 mil and MP 35-40 mil and field a competitive team. I kinda get the conundrum here with the va jays (JJ & Stephen). Do we trade them? What is the answer?? Me....not paying Yak top 10 QB. My take on WR is we can find some one to catch the ball, no offence CD but we have to field a competitive team here. MP.....not LT status by a long shot. Pouty and moodie.....just bust chops and play the game no matter what. and shut your damn mouth.
Uber low quality content.
 

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Funny how they're the only team that seems to struggle with salary cap hell, yet haven't won anything in 3 decades... rams rebuilt their team with free agents and trades, won a championship, and 2 seasons later are back in the playoffs. Eagles have more talent than Dallas and can add Barkley and anyone else they want.
 

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Funny how they're the only team that seems to struggle with salary cap hell, yet haven't won anything in 3 decades... rams rebuilt their team with free agents and trades, won a championship, and 2 seasons later are back in the playoffs. Eagles have more talent than Dallas and can add Barkley and anyone else they want.
The problem is centered around the problem, that Jerry appears to want to be competitive EVERY year....based around his star contracts, with a gulf between the top of the CAP, vrs Middle ranked (hence very few free agents). This is compounded by the 'Same 'Ole' running of the franchise....every contract takes the same format. Jerry's adverse to trying to mix up types of contract (ie, maybe pay a Basic Salary in two tranches, years apart, rather than his traditional high "Signing Bonus", and prorate it out over the 5 years).
 
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