CFZ Salary cap myths and other misunderstandings of player pay

[kskboys]

Agree 100% on this. Having the highest paid WR is not the golden ticket to playoff success. What the Cowboys have failed to grasp is drafting and developing a top shelf DT that can stop the run AND pressure the QB is worth twice as much as a flashy WR. Jerry still thinks we won those 3 SBs solely because of the triplets.

And to be clear, it's not Lamb that I'm against signing, it's the WR position that I'm against paying 7% of the salary cap to. If you're going to do that, sign Reader/Hargrave or someone like that. Get some talent up front on D and we suddenly become super bowl contenders. Build a great running game so you can play some ball control until Dak settles down. He's a good QB, but is simply way too nervous starting playoff games, so find a way to not let the game get out of hand while he settles in and quiets his nerves. Letting him fail by putting the O all on him is NOT the answer.

 

[kskboys]

It's not about money, it's about years (and possibly, NTC). Don't worry Dak will get paid, it'll all depend on whether Jerry capitulates (as usual) and pays it.

Yes, and Dak screwed the team badly by insisting on fewer years. That's why we're in the pickle we're currently in.

 

[Bobhaze]

Yes, but add in overpriced positions. When you pay huge on a position, other positions will suffer. Unfortunately w/ Jerry that means paying CB's and WR's and DE's and going cheap at DT, where the game is really won.

Who's the last team who won a super bowl w/o great DT play?

Yeah 80% of this forum doesn’t understand that without Chris Jones the chiefs don’t win last year’s Super Bowl. Mahomes is an all time great but even the greatest QBs can’t play defense.

And the chiefs FO gets it. They wisely and quickly paid Chris Jones top of the market money. They let Tyreek Hill go for huge money to Miami where has remained great but the dolphins still haven’t won a playoff game with Hill.

 

[Coogiguy03]

Can you name a team in last year's championship games/super bowl who had a top 5 paid WR? KC definitely does not, BALT does not, SF does not(Deebo: 3 yrs/71.55 mil), Lions do not. SF is currently fighting Aiyuk to not pay him top 5. Interesting to see how that works out.

So what do we do then (I agree with you) just get a high paid QB and the rest of the players on O can be solid?

 

[Coogiguy03]

Yeah 80% of this forum doesn’t understand that without Chris Jones the chiefs don’t win last year’s Super Bowl. Mahomes is an all time great but even the greatest QBs can’t play defense.

And the chiefs FO gets it. They wisely and quickly paid Chris Jones top of the market money. They let Tyreek Hill go for huge money to Miami where has remained great but the dolphins still haven’t won a playoff game with Hill.

it's called prioritizing!

 

[kskboys]

So what do we do then (I agree with you) just get a high paid QB and the rest of the players on O can be solid?

Yes, draft some good route runners at WR in rounds 2-5. Quit thinking we gotta have high flying deep threats for our #1 WR and get some guy who gets open every play like Irvin.

 

[kskboys]

it's called prioritizing!

Can't prioritize if you don't understand player skillsets.

 

[Coogiguy03]

Yes, draft some good route runners at WR in rounds 2-5. Quit thinking we gotta have high flying deep threats for our #1 WR and get some guy who gets open every play like Irvin.

yes we hate guys that can get good seperation!

 

[Coogiguy03]

Can't prioritize if you don't understand player skillsets.

very very true, all we look at is their stats and the emotional attachment we have to them!

 

[Streifenkarl]

They never did buy a great team. What Jerry bought was the de facto GM in Jimmy Johnson who put that team together w/ wise trades, great drafting, and the Herschel robbery. Seriously, name one guy Jerry "bought" who was instrumental in those super bowl wins. Deion was "bought" for the 3rd one, but paying him was a huge factor in that super bowl team being torn down.

They could afford to pay a great guy on almost every position. That's what "being bought" means.

 

[Bobhaze]

it's called prioritizing!

And knowing HOW to build and manage a quality roster with a ton of cap space allocated to a few players.

Mahomes Is a beast, but without some quality at some key positions, he might just be Dan Marino, Dan Fouts or even Aaron Rodgers. Great QBs - even the best - need some defensive help.

The problem here in Big D is our top two FO leaders don’t do any player film study (Will McClay does) and worse, they don’t seem to grasp the big picture of how to build a quality roster within the framework of the NFL cap. That is what is killing this franchise. We draft and develop pretty well. It’s not enough. Not to mention Jerry doesn’t value the HC position. Andy Reid is brilliant. Sure it helps to have Mahomes but ask Mahomes how much Reid means to the team.

Playing fantasy football where you just try to collect a bunch of good players won’t get it done.

 

[Coogiguy03]

And knowing HOW to build and manage a quality roster with a ton of cap space allocated to a few players.

Mahomes Is a beast, but without some quality at some key positions, he might just be Dan Marino, Dan Fouts or even Aaron Rodgers. Great QBs - even the best - need some defensive help.

The problem here in Big D is our top two FO leaders don’t do any player film study (Will McClay does) and worse, they don’t seem to grasp the big picture of how to build a quality roster within the framework of the NFL cap. That is what is killing this franchise. We draft and develop pretty well. It’s not enough.

Playing fantasy football where you just try to collect a bunch of good players won’t get it done.

They're glorifying what worked for them 20+ years ago, and thinks that still works

 

[fivetwos]

Yes, and Dak screwed the team badly by insisting on fewer years. That's why we're in the pickle we're currently in.

Yes, and that happened because they let him get close to UFA with the tags instead of signing him. Salaries have nearly doubled since.

France planned four years ago to be in this spot. Other than a market setting deal (which Jerry doesn’t want to give him), he has zero reason to sign when he is months away.

I truly believe there’s at least a reasonable part of him that wants out of this mess and having to take much of the blame for the ineptitude of this FO.

 

[ChuckA1]

I guess in the end, the FO has to decide if they believe a player HAS or HAS NOT reached their ceiling. Can this player help the team win in the regular season and be successful in the playoffs. I believe this should be a part of every player's evaluation before being offered a new contract or extension.

 

[Diehardblues]

Is Mahomes being paid market value?

He was when he signed for the largest contract in NFL history. And most didn’t realize he renegotiated last year his contract from 2023-2026 which increase guarantees him the most in next 4 years .

Expect him to continue renegotiating as the Market grows. Some fans think he’s locked into his 10 year deal but obviously that’s not going to happen.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl...ructured-deal-chiefs/b873da52a2628b57f866aa8e

 

[Diehardblues]

Yes, and that happened because they let him get close to UFA with the tags instead of signing him. Salaries have nearly doubled since.

France planned four years ago to be in this spot. Other than a market setting deal (which Jerry doesn’t want to give him), he has zero reason to sign when he is months away.

I truly believe there’s at least a reasonable part of him that wants out of this mess and having to take much of the blame for the ineptitude of this FO.

Right. Jethro has mismanaged Prescott’s contract from the beginning.

We knew after his Rookie season and releasing Romo he was going to be our guy.

We could have made him the highest paid QB contract with 2 years remaining on his 4 year Rookie deal.

And who would have blamed us after his Rookie of the year performance.

But we waited and waited and waited. It cost us and we’re still paying the price.

 

[rags747]

He certainly was when he signed his 10 year contract a few years ago. Now? No he‘s not. But that was a decision he and his agent made to make a long term commitment at the THEN market value. He’s not making market value now. But that happens to all top NFL players when they sign a 4-5 year deal too. The market rises every year,

KC would rush to the bank if Mahomes insisted on being paid #1 top top money. He has not done that and has even spoken about it within the past two weeks. He has said that he makes more than enough and is happy. Not sure if he mentioned anything about representing the QB Brotherhood though and them getting theirs!

 

[kskboys]

KC would rush to the bank if Mahomes insisted on being paid #1 top top money. He has not done that and has even spoken about it within the past two weeks. He has said that he makes more than enough and is happy. Not sure if he mentioned anything about representing the QB Brotherhood though and them getting theirs!

Someone just asked what maxing out a contract means. Mahomes did not max out his contracts and has 3 super bowls in 4 years.

Listen, these guys are getting generational life changing wealth. Why not get a couple super bowls while you're at it? However, to do that, you must sign "team friendly" deals.

So, how do you define "team friendly"? It's not about the money so much as it is about signing a contract that a team can work w/. Hill refused and KC had to let him go. Aiyuk is refusing, and SF is saying no.

Signing WR's to big money, no matter how good they are, is the way to not win super bowls. Wrong position to spend money on.

 

[kskboys]

Right. Jethro has mismanaged Prescott’s contract from the beginning.

We knew after his Rookie season and releasing Romo he was going to be our guy.

We could have made him the highest paid QB contract with 2 years remaining on his 4 year Rookie deal.

And who would have blamed us after his Rookie of the year performance.

But we waited and waited and waited. It cost us and we’re still paying the price.

We tried. Dak agreed to a deal. And then renegged.

How in the world do people forget this? But nooooooooooooooooo, just keep repeating that we didn't.

Hey, I hate Jethro and his get as much or more than any of you, but what did you want them to do?

Dak is all about the money, and he's shown that unequivocally several times now.

 

[kskboys]

He was when he signed for the largest contract in NFL history. And most didn’t realize he renegotiated last year his contract from 2023-2026 which increase guarantees him the most in next 4 years .

Expect him to continue renegotiating as the Market grows. Some fans think he’s locked into his 10 year deal but obviously that’s not going to happen.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl...ructured-deal-chiefs/b873da52a2628b57f866aa8e

Correct. And he's always open to pushing money down the road as it keeps them in contention.

Meanwhile, our own QB insists on short deals so we end up w/ no D.