Salary Cap Update. 10m under as of 3/27

CowboyRoy

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i already shown multiple 5 year models that discussed different FA scenarios.
you can go read them if you want.
like you said, nothing rocket science about it if someone puts it on a spreadsheet, which i did.

I think I will take the numbers of the paid professionals that understand the obvious facts and figures.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/

http://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/nfl-teams-facing-salary-cap-issues-2017.html/?a=viewall

Maybe they should just hire you since everyone is wrong and you know different. :muttley:
 

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waldo don't waste your time with Roy......... he actually thinks he is explaining the cap to you which is hilarious....... we are 20 steps ahead of him

He still thinks restructures are bad and that they Cowboys were ever in cap trouble....duhhhhhh

i guess you are right.
i just ignored him.
 

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i guess you are right.
i just ignored him.
on paper DAL is down to 2m right now

the Free retirement isn't official yet so that is 4.5m
the 2.5m loan from 2011-12 that you just reported
the Bell signing of 1.25-1.75m cap hit would be 800k-1.3m net with 51 rule

So DAL has 2m on paper, they still can:
-Restructure Witten 4.5m
-Restructure Dez 8m
-Restructure TCrawford 5m
-Trade Romo 5m
-Release/trade Romo post June 1st 14m

they need 1.8m for the draft in June
they need 1m for the Practice Squad in Sept
 

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on paper DAL is down to 2m right now

the Free retirement isn't official yet so that is 4.5m
the 2.5m loan from 2011-12 that you just reported
the Bell signing of 1.25-1.75m cap hit would be 800k-1.3m net with 51 rule

So DAL has 2m on paper, they still can:
-Restructure Witten 4.5m
-Restructure Dez 8m
-Restructure TCrawford 5m
-Trade Romo 5m
-Release/trade Romo post June 1st 14m

they need 1.8m for the draft in June
they need 1m for the Practice Squad in Sept


do they need to show 1.8m or 6m for the draft?
u dont think free is trying to hold them hostage with the 'retirement' do you?
 

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do they need to show 1.8m or 6m for the draft?
u dont think free is trying to hold them hostage with the 'retirement' do you?
they only need 1.8m in space for the draftees but they don't start signing until June anyways

no idea about Free
 

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do they need to show $5M of space going into the draft or $2M?
just the 2m but it really is just pay as you go

technically each draftee is assigned a 465k tender as a placeholder until they actually sign.... but since this is below the top 51 it doesn't register
 

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Sportsday article said Dallas only had 200,000 left in cap space before extending Witten. How is that possible.
 

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Sportsday article said Dallas only had 200,000 left in cap space before extending Witten. How is that possible.
on paper DAL is down to 2m right now

the Free retirement isn't official yet so that is 4.5m
the 2.5m loan from 2011-12 that you just reported
the Bell signing of 1.25-1.75m cap hit would be 800k-1.3m net with 51 rule

So DAL has 2m on paper, they still can:
-Officially retire Free 4.5m
-Restructure Witten 4.5m
-Restructure Dez 8m
-Restructure TCrawford 5m
-Trade Romo 5m
-Release/trade Romo post June 1st 14m

they need 1.8m for the draft in June
they need 1m for the Practice Squad in Sept
 

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on paper DAL is down to 2m right now

the Free retirement isn't official yet so that is 4.5m
the 2.5m loan from 2011-12 that you just reported
the Bell signing of 1.25-1.75m cap hit would be 800k-1.3m net with 51 rule

So DAL has 2m on paper, they still can:
-Officially retire Free 4.5m
-Restructure Witten 4.5m
-Restructure Dez 8m
-Restructure TCrawford 5m
-Trade Romo 5m
-Release/trade Romo post June 1st 14m

they need 1.8m for the draft in June
they need 1m for the Practice Squad in Sept

the vibe I am getting from twitter is the Free retirement is soft one. Meaning if RT position is disaster in 2017 Dallas feels they could possibly talk Free into coming back until they address it in off season when they will have more cap space next year.
 

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the vibe I am getting from twitter is the Free retirement is soft one. Meaning if RT position is disaster in 2017 Dallas feels they could possibly talk Free into coming back until they address it in off season when they will have more cap space next year.
exactly.......but some sites like Spotrac were already counting him as retired but OTC was not which led to a bit of confusion

signing Bell could put an end to that talk though.....that leaves CGreen, Cleary and Bell to fight it out
 

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Sportsday article said Dallas only had 200,000 left in cap space before extending Witten. How is that possible.

Because they are horrible at managing the cap. Even with restructuring several contracts this year, they barely have enough money to do anything other than sign scrubs.

Unless you are going to do what these other capologists say to do and that is keep mismanaging the cap into the future and restructure more contracts.
 

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on paper DAL is down to 2m right now

the Free retirement isn't official yet so that is 4.5m
the 2.5m loan from 2011-12 that you just reported
the Bell signing of 1.25-1.75m cap hit would be 800k-1.3m net with 51 rule

So DAL has 2m on paper, they still can:
-Restructure Witten 4.5m
-Restructure Dez 8m
-Restructure TCrawford 5m
-Trade Romo 5m
-Release/trade Romo post June 1st 14m

they need 1.8m for the draft in June
they need 1m for the Practice Squad in Sept

Here ya go, this is a cap 101 lesson for you. I'm feeling rather giving today so here it is. A cap expert...............a guy that actually did it in the NFL gives you the how to simple guide to cap management.

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/02/26/nfl-salary-cap-explained

I will even highlight a few of the more important items relating to good cap management and poor cap management. Enjoy!!!


What's the best way to manage the cap?

How, then, do teams avoid the need for cap conversions that constrain their future? It is easier said than done, but the answer is simple: Do not prorate.

For example, say a team and player agree on a $10 million cash spend in the first year of a contract. With optimal cap management, the team would not use a signing bonus but rather pay the $10 million in monies not subject to proration (salary, roster bonus, etc.) This would contain the cap cost, giving the deal a clean cap–no remaining charges—if things ever went south with the player. This pay-as-you-go strategy—with cash and cap aligned—puts teams ahead of the curve.

The hard part, of course, is for teams to be in position to operate this way. It requires discipline that must be supported by all layers of the organization. Once there, though, paying as you go creates desired flexibility for the present and future. Cap will become secondary, instead of primary, for decision making; the flexibility will be there.

Which teams are able to do this? The teams with players’ cap numbers very close to their cash numbers. The teams not making noise in cap management with conversions and restructures these next two weeks. The teams with clean caps and no need for the credit card spending.
(Wow, where have you head this before?)


It is now, in these dark days of winter, when teams set a course in cap and contract management that can affect them, negatively or positively, for years to come.


Here is another great part for you. And look, then even mention the Cowboys directly.

I get it; teams want to go for it in their window of time, but only one team wins every year and it often leads to a vicious cycle.
Short-term gain leads to long-term pain; deals that are cap friendly now are often cap unfriendly later. Players with numerous cap restructures, such as Fitzgerald and Ben Roethlisberger, might leave behind tens of millions of cap charges, limiting the teams’ future ability to compete.



The reality in the business of football is very few long-term contracts last to completion. The team terminates most contracts with years remaining. And when they do, all remaining cap charges accelerate.
These dead money charges have drastically affected teams like the Raiders and Commanders, and teams like the Steelers, Panthers and Cowboys will soon feel the effects as well.
 

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Here ya go, this is a cap 101 lesson for you. I'm feeling rather giving today so here it is. A cap expert...............a guy that actually did it in the NFL gives you the how to simple guide to cap management.

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/02/26/nfl-salary-cap-explained

I will even highlight a few of the more important items relating to good cap management and poor cap management. Enjoy!!!


What's the best way to manage the cap?

How, then, do teams avoid the need for cap conversions that constrain their future? It is easier said than done, but the answer is simple: Do not prorate.

For example, say a team and player agree on a $10 million cash spend in the first year of a contract. With optimal cap management, the team would not use a signing bonus but rather pay the $10 million in monies not subject to proration (salary, roster bonus, etc.) This would contain the cap cost, giving the deal a clean cap–no remaining charges—if things ever went south with the player. This pay-as-you-go strategy—with cash and cap aligned—puts teams ahead of the curve.

The hard part, of course, is for teams to be in position to operate this way. It requires discipline that must be supported by all layers of the organization. Once there, though, paying as you go creates desired flexibility for the present and future. Cap will become secondary, instead of primary, for decision making; the flexibility will be there.

Which teams are able to do this? The teams with players’ cap numbers very close to their cash numbers. The teams not making noise in cap management with conversions and restructures these next two weeks. The teams with clean caps and no need for the credit card spending.
(Wow, where have you head this before?)


It is now, in these dark days of winter, when teams set a course in cap and contract management that can affect them, negatively or positively, for years to come.


Here is another great part for you. And look, then even mention the Cowboys directly.

I get it; teams want to go for it in their window of time, but only one team wins every year and it often leads to a vicious cycle.
Short-term gain leads to long-term pain; deals that are cap friendly now are often cap unfriendly later. Players with numerous cap restructures, such as Fitzgerald and Ben Roethlisberger, might leave behind tens of millions of cap charges, limiting the teams’ future ability to compete.



The reality in the business of football is very few long-term contracts last to completion. The team terminates most contracts with years remaining. And when they do, all remaining cap charges accelerate.
These dead money charges have drastically affected teams like the Raiders and Commanders, and teams like the Steelers, Panthers and Cowboys will soon feel the effects as well.
Denial is not just a river in Egypt

Keep buying the company line....... I will not continue to explain elementary school mathematics to grown ups

Salary cap in 2011 = 120m
Salary cap in 2017 = 167m
 

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Raiders and Commanders, and teams like the Steelers, Panthers and Cowboys will soon feel the effects as well.
Raiders 32m in cap space
Commanders 11m in cap space with a 24m tag on Cousins
Panthers 14m in cap space
Steelers 15m in cap space with a 12m RB and ABrown signed long term
Cowboys 41m in available space if they max out a couple contracts

your expert was sure right on his doom and gloom predictions
 

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Denial is not just a river in Egypt

Keep buying the company line....... I will not continue to explain elementary school mathematics to grown ups

Salary cap in 2011 = 120m
Salary cap in 2017 = 167m

Salary cap is continuing to go up no kidding. Is that all you got?

Seriously. You are not qualified on the subject. Stop talking like your an expert when you dont even understand the basics. Educate yourself.
 

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Raiders 32m in cap space
Commanders 11m in cap space with a 24m tag on Cousins
Panthers 14m in cap space
Steelers 15m in cap space with a 12m RB and ABrown signed long term
Cowboys 41m in available space if they max out a couple contracts

your expert was sure right on his doom and gloom predictions

Yep he was. We have signed only scrubs and we had to restructure and borrow from the future just to do it.

Maybe there is hope for you.
 

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So basically we had 41 million dollars to play with in free agency and did nada.
:banghead::banghead::banghead:

loci, we did not need to spend 41 million.
just a few more mil to get a decent RT and CB instead of the 2 garbage heap players we got.
may be 10M AAV more total.
 
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Everybody couldn't wait for Stephen to take over....................well, be careful what you wish for.

Stephen, unlike Jerry, is not going to spend lavishly on any players. We are going to sign cheap vet free agents and build through the draft. Maybe Stephen doesn't want to spend his inheritance, I don't know, but he has a totally different view point on how to build a team from Jerry.

I guess we shall see how it goes.

Well BfE, I would also be reluctant to spend lavishly on any player; the ROI seldom pans out.

But I would bet that the coaches could make it happen if there was a real difference maker out there, somebody they really wanted as a perfect fit in an obvious void. Unfortunately, those folks just seldom exist.

Our FA's that have walked are a good example. Their own perceived worth didn't match our evaluation, even though other FO's are willing to pay to fill an apparent glaring need. We have had to do that due to unforeseen injury, but that's never cheap, and young healthy depth is almost always a better choice.

Any extra room under the cap will be valuable in resigning our young blue chip players, like OL; we still have to invest in our keepers.

I don't know the details of our evaluation process, but I can't fault it in principle.
 
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