San Diego is a BIG LIE!

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This big lie went 12-4 and have a lot of confidence about themselves this is a game Dallas is going to have to play very well in to have a chance to win. Way I see it the Chargers beat an NFL team 12 times last year while we did it only 6. Only lie I see is those who would like to think this game will be a walk in the park.
 

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This big lie went 12-4 and have a lot of confidence about themselves this is a game Dallas is going to have to play very well in to have a chance to win. Way I see it the Chargers beat an NFL team 12 times last year while we did it only 6. Only lie I see is those who would like to think this game will be a walk in the park.

Two years ago we beat 10 NFL teams and that got us nothing but 6 wins the next year. Unless the Chargers made some new wrinkles in there offensive game plan, the whole league has a full year of research to figure them out. Since no part of their offense was overwhelming (maybe LT), teams who do their home work against this team can beat them. Especially if they have the personnel to do it.
 

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Two years ago we beat 10 NFL teams and that got us nothing but 6 wins the next year. Unless the Chargers made some new wrinkles in there offensive game plan, the whole league has a full year of research to figure them out. Since no part of their offense was overwhelming (maybe LT), teams who do their home work against this team can beat them. Especially if they have the personnel to do it.

I did not say SD was the greatest but take them lightly and they will kick your ars. People can rationalize it all they want but bad teams do not win 12 games. You want to think this is an easy game go for it but Dallas with only 6 wins last year is in no position to be taking the chargers or anyone lightly. Fans can say what they want but the fans do not play the games
 

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I don't think San Diego will go 12-4 again this year, but they still have a solid football team and they will be playing us in their home.

Plus, we have a lot of new players, including inexperienced rookies, in some key positions.
If we come out of the gates strong we should have a good shot at this game, otherwise, it could be a long afternoon.
 

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I hope we win but in reality I think the Cowboys will get beat somewhere around 23-14. Yeah, they have no Gates. That will help but look for LT to blast through the 8 man stacked Defense for a big gain 1 or 2 times and also look for some down field pass interference penalties on Newman and/or Henry. Being locked man on man and our young Lb's failure to realize a PA pass a freeze will hurt our chances. Bottom line is if we turn the ball over and don't stop them on 3rd down and 3 or 4 we'll lose. If we can create a turnover get a few sacks throw in a fumble and Julius runs for over 100 yds we win. And Cortez will miss a kick.
 

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Bach said:
I don't think San Diego will go 12-4 again this year, but they still have a solid football team and they will be playing us in their home.

Plus, we have a lot of new players, including inexperienced rookies, in some key positions.
If we come out of the gates strong we should have a good shot at this game, otherwise, it could be a long afternoon.

I agree and I'm not saying we can't win this game but to win there are some must the Cowboys need to do. Such as control LT and not kill ourselves with stupid penalties. I see this game going down to the wire
 

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There are disadvantages to having rookies but there are also advantages. The thing that has impressed me most is the way the team is bonding with high 5's pats on the butt etc. We have been lacking true charisma since Irvin and I see that same fire in certain players. SD will stop the run and make us pass teams have been doing it to us for 2 years now. For the first time since Aikman we have a quaterback who can pass and the talent around him to be dangerous. I say we come out in a shotgun on the first drive and shove the pass right down their throats. This will open up BP's balanced offense and get into SD's heads quick. Like I said before there is an advantage to having rookies and that is confidense. If we get on top quickly and that confidence builds I see us beating them easily. If we dont come out passing and throw them off I fear this game is going to be a grinder.
 

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The SD fans have explained how when they get the early lead, they are able to hold it and TOP with LT.

When they don't get that early lead, they are just as likely as any team to start screwing up when trying to come from behind.

Last year when they lost to NY in the regular season, they had two early turnovers, an interception by safety Erik Coleman, which led to a quick TD, and a second quarter fumble by Parker. Altho their specials team bailed them out somewhat with a long kickoff return, their O was sytmied, and their run D fell apart.

In the first half of that game NY had 217 yards as opposed to 72 for SD. Curtis Martin had rushed for 89 yards, and the passing differential was 128 to ONE.

Brees threw anothr pick in the 3d qtr, and to add injury to insult, suffered a concussion from a safety's hit The only notable LT play was a 59 yard screen pass gain. (Yeah, I know..what do screen pass mean? We really have to watch out for these.. ) But they only ran LT 19 times, and obvious miscalculation.

This was a day the Chargers turnover advantage did not apply. It went 4 to zip Jets.

There are many ways to win or lose games, but the Chargers are no more likely to offset turnovers, or to come from behind without making mistakes than anyone else. In fact, tho Brees now has the rep for playing a very clear headed, measured game, I'd give Bledsoe a better chance of playing catch up than Brees.

Early leads are always 'good things'..in this game it looks even more critical.
 

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Latuna, we should send you on more scouting missions. You always come back with good info.
 

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OK, I'll go on record. I think we lose this game. There is a whole lot of kool aid being consumed around here. Our OL has played together against first line defenses for how long? There are going to be warts. SD will stack the line and blitz every down. They will run blitz and bring the house occasionally on passing downs. Our offense did not respond well to pressure, all pre-season. Our red zone performance is suspect until we prove otherwise. Our kick off and punt coverage teams have looked vulnerable.

Brees used Gates a lot in the RZ last year but LT is the real deal. There are going to be warts. We have a lot of rookies on defense. Mistakes will be made. Pre-season has shown us to be vulnerable up the middle against passes with our LB's sometimes making poor transitions from run to pass (an experience problem). We have shown vulnerability to cut backs when we over pursued (an experience problem). Brees was close to mistake free last year and why do we expect him to all of a sudden fall apart?

I think we will give them a tough game but ultimately they will eke out a win. I hope I am wrong. Turnovers and penalties could play a factor here but once again for an early season game this more often than not favors the home team.

Unfortunately, I agree with every point you've made. My biggest problem is that there is no fun in thinking this way heading into the opener IMO. I think we now have athletes/playmakers at the right spots who have the ability to exceed expectations. I feel terrible when I predict a loss and we win but I do agree with your assessment.
 

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Latuna, we should send you on more scouting missions. You always come back with good info.
You can send me out for the next game, WG.

But I think we already know the Commanders have an inaccurate QB with happy feet, and a head coach the game has passed by.
 

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LaTunaNostra said:
You can send me out for the next game, WG.

But I think we already know the Commanders have an inaccurate QB with happy feet, and a head coach the game has passed by.
Yeah I think we got the Skins covered. :rolleyes:

But it's never too early to probe SF and Oakland. :p:
 

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The SD fans have explained how when they get the early lead, they are able to hold it and TOP with LT.

Not always. This backfired on us in Indianapolis. Of course, if it hadn't been for our sudden and very uncharacteristic special-teams ineptitude, we still would have won. That game still ticks me off when I think about it. >8(

When they don't get that early lead, they are just as likely as any team to start screwing up when trying to come from behind.

It really depends on how far behind we are. If you put Drew into "your-only-option-is-to-pass" mode, then it can get dicey, especially if the defense is capable of bringing steady, consistent pressure. But you could say that about almost any QB. I will say, though, that he improved greatly in what I call "one-time obvious passing situations" like third-and-long. The other obvious passing situation is when your running game has been ineffective and you're down by two or three scores, meaning you're going to be passing for the rest of the game. It's hard to say how he does in that scenario, because if the team has played badly enough to be in that situation to begin with, then it might be more because Drew is just off that day, rather than because he can't rise to the occasion.

Last year when they lost to NY in the regular season, they had two early turnovers, an interception by safety Erik Coleman, which led to a quick TD, and a second quarter fumble by Parker. Altho their specials team bailed them out somewhat with a long kickoff return, their O was sytmied, and their run D fell apart.

This is kind of like choosing the NE @ Miami game last year to try to formulate a weakness in the Patriots game. That first game against the Jets was the worst game we played all year, and it had little to do with the Jets. Drew was horrible that day, and Gates had hands-of-stone for some reason. He dropped maybe four passes all year, and three were in that game. Any team that plays like that is going to get beaten.

In the first half of that game NY had 217 yards as opposed to 72 for SD. Curtis Martin had rushed for 89 yards, and the passing differential was 128 to ONE.

It was our second game in the 3-4. Things can get ugly when you're in a new system, even if you good players. Sound like any teams you know?

Brees threw anothr pick in the 3d qtr, and to add injury to insult, suffered a concussion from a safety's hit The only notable LT play was a 59 yard screen pass gain. (Yeah, I know..what do screen pass mean? We really have to watch out for these.. ) But they only ran LT 19 times, and obvious miscalculation.

Again, our worst game of the season, early in the season, before our team had any confidence or any basis to think they were good.

This was a day the Chargers turnover advantage did not apply. It went 4 to zip Jets.

A -4 turnover differential in our worst game of the season, and we still only lost by seven...

There are many ways to win or lose games, but the Chargers are no more likely to offset turnovers, or to come from behind without making mistakes than anyone else. In fact, tho Brees now has the rep for playing a very clear headed, measured game, I'd give Bledsoe a better chance of playing catch up than Brees.

We're good enough to offset a -1, or possibly a -2, but a -4 is pretty much a sure loss.

Early leads are always 'good things'..in this game it looks even more critical.

Marty stresses on getting the early lead at home. It energizes the crowd and keeps them at full-throat the entire game. Generally, if we start quick it means we're going to be productive all day. If we start slow, we're going to go in spurts. But sometimes, even when we start slow, we'll still score 10 or 14 in a quick spurt, so I can't really say the way to beat us is to keep us down early. It would definitely help, though. Better than letting us get off to a quick two-score lead.
 

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i enjoy reading your thoughts on your team Thunder, but it is making me snicker a lil cause it has the tone of a fan of a totally established team thats proved something for a few years running. Like if you were a Cowboys fan back in '94 talking about why you might lose an opener (or any particular game) because you have to simply admit the team isnt totally perfect.

You guys had a great year last year. But so far thats it.. one year. You could just as easily drop back to .500 as not. The league is riddled with teams that have done that over the last 6 or 7 years. Including many previous year SB participants.

Anyway, good luck! :)
 

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and Wiley on our team in '03, our team was anything but united.

You got some class young man. Your posting ethics are outstanding and your knowledge goes wothout saying. :welcome: and glad to have you on board.
Now .......I have to hate you for Wiley. When a dude is as bad as he was, you've got to find it in your heart and let a brother know!!
 

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We're good enough to offset a -1, or possibly a -2, but a -4 is pretty much a sure loss.

Based on what evidence? By my count, SD was even or positive in turnover margin for all 12 wins last year.

OTOH, SD did manage to lose a game (to Atlanta) despite a +1 TO margin.

In addition, some high turnover margin games led to narrow wins:
  • In the opener against Houston, SD only won by 7 despite a +4 TO margin.
  • +2 in a squeaker, come-from-behind victory at KC.
  • +2 in a three point win at home over the Broncos.

IMO, if the Cowboys can win the turnover battle, they will win the game.
 

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Based on what evidence? By my count, SD was even or positive in turnover margin for all 12 wins last year.

OTOH, SD did manage to lose a game (to Atlanta) despite a +1 TO margin.

In addition, some high turnover margin games led to narrow wins:
  • In the opener against Houston, SD only won by 7 despite a +4 TO margin.
  • +2 in a squeaker, come-from-behind victory at KC.
  • +2 in a three point win at home over the Broncos.
IMO, if the Cowboys can win the turnover battle, they will win the game.

I can also say that if the Chargers win the turnover battle, they will win the game. What does it mean? Might as well say if you win the touchdown battle you'll win the game. It's meaningless. The chances of any team winning increase with its turnover differential. I never once said, or even suggested, that this game was going to be easy for us, or that we were somehow unassailable. Mostly what I've been doing is countering this notion that our success last year was somehow illusory. You seem to think that maintaining a high plus-turnover-ratio is somehow a weakness...
 

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You got some class young man. Your posting ethics are outstanding and your knowledge goes wothout saying. :welcome: and glad to have you on board.
Now .......I have to hate you for Wiley. When a dude is as bad as he was, you've got to find it in your heart and let a brother know!!

Thanks!

Lol! If you had scouted our forums, you would have known about Wiley in 2002! Sometimes it's amazing how every fan can see that a player is totally overrated, but management can't.
 

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Chargers win 23-17.....Cortez misses two inside 40.
A lot is being made of Cortez and his inaccuracy, but the Chargers have Nate Kaeding, who very well be the AFC version of Cortez. He was 20 of 25 last season but then faded in the playoffs, missing several key kicks. In the pre-season that trend has continued. He missed three field goals in the pre-season game against Green Bay alone.

How about: Cowboys 17, Chargers 14, Cortez misses two and Kaeding misses 3. :)
 
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