Sarcasm: Let's face it Rodgers should be the NFL MVP this year

[TrailBlazer]

There is an MVP race, there are players discussed due to having a phenomenal year, some of those players don't make the playoffs. It's unfair to allow other candidates to continue to prove themselves when the other players don't advance.

MVP awards are based on stats. Stats in playoffs do not count as official statistics, that ends with the regular season.

All games should be considered. Not just regular season. I don't care if that's "fair". I want the right person to get the award. If you aren't in the playoffs and your a qb you won't win it anyways. A RB still would be considered. There is no downside to taking into account playoff performances.

 

[mattjames2010]

All games should be considered. Not just regular season. I don't care if that's "fair". I want the right person to get the award. If you aren't in the playoffs and your a qb you won't win it anyways. A RB still would be considered. There is no downside to taking into account playoff performances.

Then you'd have the best player on the winning Super Bowl team every year getting the MVP award. Last I checked, there is already an MVP award in the Super Bowl.

 

[zeroburrito]

if you add tds and ints rodgers goes ahead. don't forget romo had an mvp caliber running back and the best oline in football.

 

[mattjames2010]

if you add tds and ints rodgers goes ahead. don't forget romo had an mvp caliber running back and the best oline in football.

Romo missed a game, when you evaluate Rodgers best games, they came against bad teams. I already post the statistics of Romo and Rodgers stats against winning/playoff teams. When you have two QBs who had a phenomenal year, that is what's considered a tiebreaker. Unless Rodgers had an absurd amount of TDs, that shouldn't factor in at all.

Also, Rodgers was only sacked 28 times this season (He played one more game than Romo). He had great pass protection this year, and Lacy is no slouch, along with Rodgers having a better group of WRs than Romo.

 

[ConstantReboot]

if you add tds and ints rodgers goes ahead. don't forget romo had an mvp caliber running back and the best oline in football.

Rogers two best games came from the hapless Chicago Bears - ranked 30th in defense. He put up a total 10 TDs in those two games. So you mean to say that almost putting up 1/4th of your Tds against one team gives you the MVP?

Think quality over quantity.

 

[COfWaBnOY]

I'm so over this JJ Watt stuff ..... here's 10 of his games this year:

WK 1 vs. Washington (2.5 tackles - 1 sacks - 0 Int's - 1 PDef - 0 FF)
WK 2 @ Oakland (0 tackles - 0 sacks - 0 Int's - 0 PDef - 0 FF) NO THAT'S NOT A MISTAKE
WK 3 @ NYG (6 tackles - 1 sacks - 0 Int's 1 PDef - 0 FF)
WK 4 vs. Buffalo (3.5 tackles - 0 sacks - 1 Int's - 1 PDef - 0 FF)
WK 5 @ Dallas (4 tackles - 0 sacks - 0 Int's - 0 PDef - 0 FF)
WK 7 @ Pittsburgh (2.5 tackles - 1 sacks - 0 Int's - 0 PDef - 0 FF)
WK 9 vs. Philadelphia (5.5 tackles - 1.5 sacks - 0 Int's - 0 PDef - 0 FF)
WK 11 @ Cleveland (4.5 tackles - 1 sacks - 0 Int's - 0 PDef - 1 FF)
WK 12 vs. Cincinnati (5.5 tackles - 0 sacks - 0 Int's - 1 PDef - 0 FF)
WK 16 vs. Baltimore (7.5 tackles - 1 sacks - 0 Int's - 0 PDef - 0 FF)

totals 41.5 tackles (4.15 / gm) 6.5 sacks (.65 / gm) 1 Int (.1 / gm) 4 PDef (.4 / gm) 1 FF (.1 / gm)

WOW !!!...

Now I know you lovers are going to say ..... that's just 10 games what about the other 6 ?

WK 6 vs. Indianapolis (5.5 tackles - 2 sacks - 0 Int's - 3 PDef - 0 FF)
WK 8 @ Tennessee (3 tackles - 2 sacks - 0 Int's - 1 PDef - 1 FF)
WK 13 vs. Tennessee (3 tackles - 2 sacks - 0 Int's - 0 PDef - 1 FF)
WK 14 @ Jacksonville (4 tackles - 3 sacks - 0 Int's - 1 PDef - 0 FF)
WK 15 @ Indianapolis (5.5 tackles - 2 sacks - 0 Int's - 1 PDef - 0 FF)
WK 17 vs. Jacksonville (6 tackles - 3 sacks - 0 Int's - 0 PDef - 1 FF)

totals 27 tackles (4.5 / gm) 14 sacks (2.3 / gm) 0 Int's (0 / gm) 6 PDef (1 / gm) 3 FF (.5 / gm)

notice his best games are against his own division which he should know the best and all but Indianapolis aren't anything to write home about .....

 

[ConstantReboot]

Romo missed a game, when you evaluate Rodgers best games, they came against bad teams. I already post the statistics of Romo and Rodgers stats against winning/playoff teams. When you have two QBs who had a phenomenal year, that is what's considered a tiebreaker. Unless Rodgers had an absurd amount of TDs, that shouldn't factor in at all.

Also, Rodgers was only sacked 28 times this season (He played one more game than Romo). He had great pass protection this year, and Lacy is no slouch, along with Rodgers having a better group of WRs than Romo.

Your right that Rodgers stats were padded with bad teams. He had the luxury of playing Chicago two times this year which game him 10 TDs on just one team. Chicago is ranked 30th in pass defense. On the other hand, Romo faced stiffer competition and won, especially on the road. While Rogers has a hard time winning against good teams on the road. Advantage Romo.

People say that Rogers had the better stats. Thats true. But Romo had better quality stats. He has better 3rd down completion than Rogers and faced stiffer competition on the road and prevailed. Romo is rightfully just as deserving as Rogers and even more so because of his level of competition.

 

[perrykemp]

Your right that Rodgers stats were padded with bad teams. He had the luxury of playing Chicago two times this year which game him 10 TDs on just one team. Chicago is ranked 30th in pass defense. On the other hand, Romo faced stiffer competition and won, especially on the road. While Rogers has a hard time winning against good teams on the road. Advantage Romo.

People say that Rogers had the better stats. Thats true. But Romo had better quality stats. He has better 3rd down completion than Rogers and faced stiffer competition on the road and prevailed. Romo is rightfully just as deserving as Rogers and even more so because of his level of competition.

All true.

Unfortunately my guess is the MVP voters tend to gravitate to TD totals and Turnovers more than anything when evaluating QB play and the delta there is fairly pronounced:

• Rodgers 40 TDs (38 passing, 2 rushing) vs 7 turnovers (5 picks, 2 lost fumbles)
• Romo 34 TD'S (34 passing, 0 rushing) vs 12 turnovers (9 picks, 3 lost turnovers)

It becomes really clear when you look at each players TD to Turnover ratio:

• Rodgers had a 5.71 to 1 TD to Turnover ratio
• Romo had a 2.83 to 1 TD to Turnover ratio

Think about that for a minute, Rodgers was twice (2x) as good as Romo in possibly the most important metric for a QB, TDs to Turnover ratio.

 

[ConstantReboot]

All true.

Unfortunately my guess is the MVP voters tend to gravitate to TD totals and Turnovers more than anything when evaluating QB play and the delta there is fairly pronounced:

• Rodgers 40 TDs (38 passing, 2 rushing) vs 7 turnovers (5 picks, 2 lost fumbles)
• Romo 34 TD'S (34 passing, 0 rushing) vs 12 turnovers (9 picks, 3 lost turnovers)

It becomes really clear when you look at each players TD to Turnover ratio:

• Rodgers had a 5.71 to 1 TD to Turnover ratio
• Romo had a 2.83 to 1 TD to Turnover ratio

Think about that for a minute, Rodgers was twice (2x) as good as Romo in possibly the most important metric for a QB, TDs to Turnover ratio.

Like I mentioned. Romo has better quality over Rogers quantity. Rogers didn't beat Seattle and Romo did. With what your saying is if a backup QB throws for 1 TD and leaves the game he would have an unbelievable metrics to show that he has 100% TD over turnover ratio. Factor in big games, come from behind wins, and 3rd completions and Romo has the edge.

In a year where both Romo and Rogers are close in the MVP ballot, other metrics should be looked at rather than just stats alone. Thats why its called MVP rather than the best stats award.

 

[perrykemp]

Like I mentioned. Romo has better quality over Rogers quantity. Rogers didn't beat Seattle and Romo did. With what your saying is if a backup QB throws for 1 TD and leaves the game he would have an unbelievable metrics to show that he has 100% TD over turnover ratio. Factor in big games, come from behind wins, and 3rd completions and Romo has the edge.

In a year where both Romo and Rogers are close in the MVP ballot, other metrics should be looked at rather than just stats alone. Thats why its called MVP rather than the best stats award.

Any idea how they did vs common components? I haven't looked into it in detail but that might be an useful comparison. I'm guessing it comes out pretty favorably for Romo since Rodgers had two of his worst games against Seattle and the Saints both of which Romo did well against.

 

[mattjames2010]

Any idea how they did vs common components? I haven't looked into it in detail but that might be an useful comparison. I'm guessing it comes out pretty favorably for Romo since Rodgers had two of his worst games against Seattle and the Saints both of which Romo did well against.

Romo had better games against Seattle and New Orleans, and Romo had a better game against Philly in his second (Rodgers beat him out on the first). He also beat Romo with Chicago Bears, but let's face it, the entire Packers team has their number.

If we go by comment opponents, the Seattle and New Orleans games would be the best indicators since those aren't division rivals for either team. (I know that makes it sound like I'm trying to go for Romo, I just think that would be the best indicator with the most fairness.)

And when I say that Romo had better games against Seattle and New Orleans, he was tremendously better. Rodgers had down games against those two.

 

[TheCount]

Watt shouldn't sniff the MVP...no matter how good he is he will never have the impact a great QB has. Trade Watt for Rodgers or Romo and the Texans are in the playoffs while the Cowboys and Packers are outside looking in.

If so, they need to get rid of the MVP award and just have the individual position awards; Best QB, Best RB, etc.

 

[TheCount]

I disagree. In this day and age, an NFL team's most important player is its QB. Trade Romo for Watt. Which team's in the playoffs?

You're missing my point. There is no more important position than QB, there is no debate there. The debate, to me, is having an award that includes other positions in the drawning that can never win it.

 

[nathanlt]

if you add tds and ints rodgers goes ahead. don't forget romo had an mvp caliber running back and the best oline in football.

That's what QBR is for, it factors in everything quarterback-related. There is no accepted QBR that puts Rodgers ahead of Romo.

Romo is the most efficient QB in the league during the regular season. End of story.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

I want JJ or Tony to win it but I don't think either will.

 

[Clove]

Funny thing about fans, they use yardage as a barometer before this year with Romo, now we're using other types of stats. Throw stats out the window, I think from the naked eye, Romo has done better than Rodgers. If you want to look at yards and all that other nonsense, then I'll say that Romo has thrown the ball FAR FAR less than any of those other chumps, yet he's more productive when he throws it. I believe Romo should definitely be a favorite to win the MVP award, providing he does good in the playoffs.

My only knock on Romo has been how he performs in games like the the final 3 we've played, and games coming up. He's been the best QB in the league coming down the stretch. I pray he makes me eat ****.

 

[dragon_mikal]

If so, they need to get rid of the MVP award and just have the individual position awards; Best QB, Best RB, etc.

That'd make better sense.

Offensive MVP, Defensive MVP and best at a position awards.

 

[TheCount]

That'd make better sense.

Offensive MVP, Defensive MVP and best at a position awards.

I like the idea of splitting MVP into Offensive and Defensive. They kind of have that with Defensive and Offensive player of the year, and to be honest, I can never tell why the MVP wouldn't also win the player of the year award as well.

If you're the best player in the league, how could you possibly not be the best player on your side of the ball in the league.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Any idea how they did vs common components? I haven't looked into it in detail but that might be an useful comparison. I'm guessing it comes out pretty favorably for Romo since Rodgers had two of his worst games against Seattle and the Saints both of which Romo did well against.

Romo and Rogers common opponents:

Aaron Rogers:
Seahawks - 81.5 rating. 1TD/1INT
Chicago (1st game) 151.2 rating. 4TD
New Orleans - 93.8 rating. 1TD/2INT
Eagles- 120.3 rating. 3TDs
Chicago (2nd game) - 145.8 rating. 6 TDs

Tony Romo:
Seahawks - 110.2 rating. 2TDs
New Orleans - 137.4 rating. 3 TDs
Eagles (1st game) - 53.7 rating. 0TDs/2INTs
Chicago - 138 rating. 3TDs
Eagles (2nd game) - 129.1 rating. 3 TDs

Summary:

Two of Rogers common opponents - the Seahawks and New Orleans were losses on the road. On the other hand, Romo won against the Seahawks on the road and demolished a New Orleans team that was favored to win and we did it quite convincingly at home. Romo lost to the Eagles during Thanksgiving and that game was a fluke. Its a fluke because in his second game against the Eagles he played lights out and won on the road against a hostile environment. Rogers beat the Eagles at home field and did it quite convincingly.

Rogers best game was against Chicago both times. As I mentioned, almost 1/4th of the TD production from Rogers this year was done against one team. Think about that for a second. When Romo played Chicago we were more than content on giving the rock to Murray instead.

What do I get from all of this?

Romo stood up to better competition especially on the road. Sure he laid a dud against the Eagles. But he came back strong to prove that Thanksgiving game was a fluke and that we really are better than the Eagles.

As for Rogers, take nothing away from him. He is a great QB. But when it comes to competition on the road, I think he wilted against tougher competition. I also think his stats are a bit padded since he gets to throw those easy TDs against a weak Chicago defense ranked 30th.

Overall, both QBs ratings are about equal with Romo having a slight edge. However, when it comes to common opponents and who was better, you have to give it to Romo. Thus my reasoning that he deserves it more than Rogers since QUALITY should trump over QUANTITY any day of the week.

 

[perrykemp]

Romo and Rogers common opponents:

Aaron Rogers:
Seahawks - 81.5 rating. 1TD/1INT
Chicago (1st game) 151.2 rating. 4TD
New Orleans - 93.8 rating. 1TD/2INT
Eagles- 120.3 rating. 3TDs
Chicago (2nd game) - 145.8 rating. 6 TDs

Tony Romo:
Seahawks - 110.2 rating. 2TDs
New Orleans - 137.4 rating. 3 TDs
Eagles (1st game) - 53.7 rating. 0TDs/2INTs
Chicago - 138 rating. 3TDs
Eagles (2nd game) - 129.1 rating. 3 TDs

Summary:

Two of Rogers common opponents - the Seahawks and New Orleans were losses on the road. On the other hand, Romo won against the Seahawks on the road and demolished a New Orleans team that was favored to win and we did it quite convincingly at home. Romo lost to the Eagles during Thanksgiving and that game was a fluke. Its a fluke because in his second game against the Eagles he played lights out and won on the road against a hostile environment. Rogers beat the Eagles at home field and did it quite convincingly.

Rogers best game was against Chicago both times. As I mentioned, almost 1/4th of the TD production from Rogers this year was done against one team. Think about that for a second. When Romo played Chicago we were more than content on giving the rock to Murray instead.

What do I get from all of this?

Romo stood up to better competition especially on the road. Sure he laid a dud against the Eagles. But he came back strong to prove that Thanksgiving game was a fluke and that we really are better than the Eagles.

As for Rogers, take nothing away from him. He is a great QB. But when it comes to competition on the road, I think he wilted against tougher competition. I also think his stats are a bit padded since he gets to throw those easy TDs against a weak Chicago defense ranked 30th.

Overall, both QBs ratings are about equal with Romo having a slight edge. However, when it comes to common opponents and who was better, you have to give it to Romo. Thus my reasoning that he deserves it more than Rogers since QUALITY should trump over QUANTITY any day of the week.

Nice write-up Constant. You make a convincing argument. I'm buying.