Schefter: Cardinals will release Antel Rolle

[big dog cowboy]

Ya because I want Felix and Choice to get the carries.

Thomas Jones>Marion fumblitis Barber

So we get rid of MBIII, bring in T. Jones, then Felix and Choice are going to get more carries? Gotcha.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

So we get rid of MBIII, bring in T. Jones, then Felix and Choice are going to get more carries? Gotcha.

No, I'd prefer Felix and Choice getting the carries with a drafted RB as our 3rd back, but the thought of T.Jones as our 3rd back is nice to think about.

 

[Silverstar]

Umm guys, why can't Rolle just take over at SS?

Isn't Sensy practically out the door anyway?

There's no reason why Rolle can't play SS in our defense. I don't think much of Hamlin at all, but if Wade has this man crush on him then just let Sensy walk and bring on Rolle. We keep our chemistry intact so to speak and we're still better overall with Rolle on board.

 

[Bluestang]

Umm guys, why can't Rolle just take over at SS?

Isn't Sensy practically out the door anyway?

There's no reason why Rolle can't play SS in our defense. I don't think much of Hamlin at all, but if Wade has this man crush on him then just let Sensy walk and bring on Rolle. We keep our chemistry intact so to speak and we're still better overall with Rolle on board.

Jerry was quoted saying Sensy would be staying...

 

[Frozen700]

Bottom line...

Hamlin- cant tackle, takes bad angles, and isnt that great on coverage, and cant make plays, and not that athletic


Positives-is a good secondary QB....and positions himself well enough, to not get beat often

Rolle-not a great tackler...maybe not a great QB for the secondary

Positives-athletic....makes plays...great in coverage, fast reaction...does not have too position himself a certain way, because hes athletic enough to make up for almost whatever

so ok hes not a great tackler...neither is Hamlin.....but we have a great coverage guy..who will actually play the ball....

and even if not that great at tackling..he will maybe react too a play faster than hamlin, and at least slow the guy down

Rolle...welcome!

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Jerry you need to sign this guy. Get rid of Hamlin and RW. Then get a WR and this time will be posed to make a SB run.

 

[Silverstar]

Jerry was quoted saying Sensy would be staying...

Link?

Cuz, all I could find was this...

Sensabaugh looking for longterm deal

Bill Nichols/Reporter - January 18th 2010

Cowboys safety Gerald Sensabaugh, who signed a one-year, $1.75 million contract with Dallas last year, will enter the offseason as a restricted free agent. He wants a long-term deal, but that's complicated by uncertainty over the collective bargaining agreement.

The Cowboys could be more inclined to offer him a tender giving them the chance to match another team's offer.

"I really don't want to play the market. I don't want to get tendered,'' he said. "I would love to be here in Dallas. Hopefully we can get something worked out. I don't want to go anywhere else, but I don't want to do another one-year contract either.''

When Sensabaugh cleaned out his locker last year in Jacksonville, he took his nameplate with him because he knew he wouldn't return. "I'm going to leave my stuff here,'' he said Monday. "I'll be around, I hope.''

 

[Idgit]

I believe that reason, which is the only reason, is abundantly clear. It's what the statistics say. If they said something different, I wouldn't be arguing that he's a good safety.

Leave it to theo to throw ice-water on the circle-jerk.

These threads aren't really so much about Hamlin v. Rolle. They're really just an excuse to get excited about offseason signings. We've had, what, four Rolle threads so far this offseason, with nobody in any of them providing a credible breakdown one way or another about how he might actually impact the defense.

I'm not a Hamlin fan, but we're playing better coverage now than we have in a long time. I only want to change that if we're sure we're making things even better. Rolle might well be an improvement, but I get the sense that signing him would be movement to give us the illusion of progress until someone can demonstrate otherwise.

 

[CATCH17]

Leave it to theo to throw ice-water on the circle-jerk.

These threads aren't really so much about Hamlin v. Rolle. They're really just an excuse to get excited about offseason signings. We've had, what, four Rolle threads so far this offseason, with nobody in any of them providing a credible breakdown one way or another about how he might actually impact the defense.

I'm not a Hamlin fan, but we're playing better coverage now than we have in a long time. I only want to change that if we're sure we're making things even better. Rolle might well be an improvement, but I get the sense that signing him would be movement to give us the illusion of progress until someone can demonstrate otherwise.

Reasons Rolle is better?

First you can put him in single coverage and add to the dynamics of your defense.

2nd you don't need to line him up 30 yards downfield.

He also has more range.




Someone said we would save 5 mill but cutting Hamlin. If thats true and we can get Rolle for a lot less than we got Hamlin than you do this move.

Hamlin should be much more productive with the pass rush we have and the paycheck he gets.

Also Broadus has already reported that the team is disapointed with Hamlin.

 

[ROUSH8692]

plus Rolle can return kickoffs...

I saw this first hand last time we played then in Glendale...

 

[TellerMorrow34]

No, I'd prefer Felix and Choice getting the carries with a drafted RB as our 3rd back, but the thought of T.Jones as our 3rd back is nice to think about.

The problem with your thought here is that Thomas Jones isn't going to come here cheap and he's not going to come here accepting a 3rd RB role.

plus Rolle can return kickoffs...

I saw this first hand last time we played then in Glendale...

Hmmm...I could have swore that was Hightower or one of their Runningbacks that returned that opening kickoff for a TD. Possibly I just blocked it out.

 

[ROUSH8692]

my bad i looked it up and it was JJ Arrington...

 

[skinsscalper]

I'm seeing a lot of stats bandied about regarding both players. One thing that is glaring to me, though, is the competition.

I don't have the time, nor do I care enough to dig into the stats, but you have to wonder: How much of Roll's "improved production" has come against the likes of San Francisco, Seattle, and St. Louis?

These three teams alone comprise of some of the most inept teams in the league at the QB position (and offense in general). The likes of Manning and McNabb, alone are far more superior than anything that division has trotted out there in the last 3-4 years (sans Warner, of course).

I'm all for improving the play at either safety position, but I'm not sure throwing a boatload of money at Rolle is exactly the answer. I'm not saying it ISN'T the answer, but I see nothing in the stat lines that guarantee Rolle is the upgrade we are looking for.

And, contrary to popular belief, cost IS an issue. Just because we are uncapped, now, doesn't mean the NFL will will be perpetually uncapped. Keep in mind the talent that Dallas had to let walk out the door due to the restraints of a newly implemented cap system to begin with in the early to mid 90's. It's ONE of the reasons Dallas didn't win four Super Bowls in a row (and the sole reason whiny ***** Steve Young actually won one).

 

[Oh_Canada]

If he's so great, why are the Cards letting him go?

Why was Darren Sharper let go? Why was Drew Brees dumped? Who cares...he is a better safety than Hamlin.

 

[burmafrd]

There are a lot of things to weigh. Rolle seems to be a better playmaker. Seems to be able to cover better. Those are the plusses. But Hamlin is the QB of the secondary- Rolle would have to show that he can do that as well as Hamlin has for this to be any real improvement. IF Rolle makes more plays but the secondary as a whole gives up more due to confusion and blown coverages then what is the gain?

 

[Idgit]

Reasons Rolle is better?

First you can put him in single coverage and add to the dynamics of your defense.

2nd you don't need to line him up 30 yards downfield.

He also has more range.

Someone said we would save 5 mill but cutting Hamlin. If thats true and we can get Rolle for a lot less than we got Hamlin than you do this move.

Hamlin should be much more productive with the pass rush we have and the paycheck he gets.

Also Broadus has already reported that the team is disapointed with Hamlin.

Catch, I almost qualified my comments for you particularly b/c you have made good points in all the Rolle threads. I know there's an issue with Hamlin lining up deep, and I know Rolle *should* be better in coverage b/c his background at CB suggests he would be. I'm all in favor of improving safety play, but the reality is that Hamlin's been a decent player for us and he has the benefit of being in the system for a couple of years and really understands the defense.

On paper, Rolle looks like a moderate upgrade, but he carries the risk of uncertainty you get when you add any FA. That's fine b/c we're certainly not a risk-adverse team and I do trust our scouts and Phillips to know what players they need in this defense, but it's not the case that Hamlin's garbage or that Rolle's necessarily the silver bullet we've been looking for at S for the last, what, 15 years or so.

 

[CATCH17]

Catch, I almost qualified my comments for you particularly b/c you have made good points in all the Rolle threads. I know there's an issue with Hamlin lining up deep, and I know Rolle *should* be better in coverage b/c his background at CB suggests he would be. I'm all in favor of improving safety play, but the reality is that Hamlin's been a decent player for us and he has the benefit of being in the system for a couple of years and really understands the defense.

On paper, Rolle looks like a moderate upgrade, but he carries the risk of uncertainty you get when you add any FA. That's fine b/c we're certainly not a risk-adverse team and I do trust our scouts and Phillips to know what players they need in this defense, but it's not the case that Hamlin's garbage or that Rolle's necessarily the silver bullet we've been looking for at S for the last, what, 15 years or so.

I agree but I just don't feel like Hamlin plays up to his contract.

I think we can get the same production for much cheaper and use our money elsewhere.

Whether its Rolle or anyone else I think the Cowboys can do better.

Ken Hamlin isn't a big weakness or anything at all. But he is just average and doesn't get compensated average.

We can do better and a guy who can make plays at that position puts this defense over the top.

 

[Idgit]

I agree but I just don't feel like Hamlin plays up to his contract.

I think we can get the same production for much cheaper and use our money elsewhere.

Whether its Rolle or anyone else I think the Cowboys can do better.

Ken Hamlin isn't a big weakness or anything at all. But he is just average and doesn't get compensated average.

We can do better and a guy who can make plays at that position puts this defense over the top.

Agree re: Hamlin playing to his contract. I just watched it take 5 weeks or so to get all of the new players on this defense rounded into shape last season. Had we played at that level all season, I have no doubt we'd have had home field advantage in the playoffs last year and our playoff run might well have turned out very differently. FS's an important position to upgrade b/c Hamlin makes the defensive calls. Like I said, I don't mind upgrading his spot, I just want us to be careful doing so. If we're not sure a player's a definite and significant upgrade, I'd just as soon backfill Hamlin in the draft and see if we can't get the kind of play out of him that we saw in 2007 when he was playing for a contract. (ie, challenge his position as a starter with a high-round draft pick, and either Hamlin plays better, or we upgrade the position mid-year with the draft pick).

 

[NeonNinja]

Reasons Rolle is better?

First you can put him in single coverage and add to the dynamics of your defense.

2nd you don't need to line him up 30 yards downfield.

He also has more range.




Someone said we would save 5 mill but cutting Hamlin. If thats true and we can get Rolle for a lot less than we got Hamlin than you do this move.

Hamlin should be much more productive with the pass rush we have and the paycheck he gets.

Also Broadus has already reported that the team is disapointed with Hamlin.

Agree 100%. I couldn't remember who said the team was not happy with Hamlin, thanks. Maybe the draft Gods allow Thomas to fall to 27 and this is moot about Rolle vs Hamlin.

 

[Gzus]

Maybe the draft Gods allow Thomas to fall to 27 and this is moot about Rolle vs Hamlin.

Doubt it, we'll likely have Taylor Mays drop to us @ 27. Thomas's draft stock is rising too rapidly. We're more likely to have Dez Bryant drop to us @ 27 than Earl Thomas.