Schefter on Philly radio

[conner01]

Not at all, but we didn't find Tony with the #4 pick in the draft as a developmental player.

You really think romo or Brady types finds of qb's are something we should plan for? Something that happens very, very rarely is not a plan, it's a dream. And that's why we had the nightmare between Troy and tony. You can't bet on a Tony Romo or Brady falling in your lap. It just doesn't happen very often

 

[Sydla]

Here's an interesting scenario. If the Cowboys were sold on Wentz and believed the Browns would take him at 2, would you do this deal if Tennessee proposed it:

#1

For

#4
3rd Rd Pick
Collins

 

[WillieBeamen]

Here's an interesting scenario. If the Cowboys were sold on Wentz and believed the Browns would take him at 2, would you do this deal if Tennessee proposed it:

#1

For

#4
3rd Rd Pick
Collins

Yes in a heartbeat.

 

[gimmesix]

I was listening.

There's too much talk of the Eagles moving up for Wentz. They are practically salivating at the idea.

He is our savior. Not theirs.

I'm all for Philly trading up to No. 1 to get him. If he is anything close to just ordinary, that's going to be a costly endeavor.

 

[gimmesix]

Here's an interesting scenario. If the Cowboys were sold on Wentz and believed the Browns would take him at 2, would you do this deal if Tennessee proposed it:

#1

For

#4
3rd Rd Pick
Collins

There's no way I'd trade a young starting lineman for a player who might not every prove to be worth it. Not even straight up.

 

[Daillest88]

Here's an interesting scenario. If the Cowboys were sold on Wentz and believed the Browns would take him at 2, would you do this deal if Tennessee proposed it:

#1

For

#4
3rd Rd Pick
Collins

ehh I dunno about collins I think he can be the next big thing since Larry Allen.. id rather throw in next years first

 

[gimmesix]

Believes the Cowboys are very much in the QB hunt at 4 based on what he's heard and how Jones is acting. He said when Jones is this adamant about doing something, it's usually a smokescreen so when he tells people the Cowboys aren't taking a QB at 4, that means they are considering it. Cited some examples such as when Jones told the press he wasn't trading for Roy Williams and then a day later he traded for him.

Said a trade up wouldn't be out of the question either if they really, really liked Wentz.

I don't get where that's coming from. Jerry has been emphatic before about something Dallas would or would not do and that's what they did.

Is Jerry only blowing smokescreens when we want to say that to support a premise?

Now, I do think Jerry made his statement about the QB position very early in the process and his position may have changed after our free agent signings, but I don't believe if Jerry is adamant about something, it's usually a smokescreen. His past comments, like about the RB position last year, show that isn't the case.

 

[Joe Realist]

I was listening.

There's too much talk of the Eagles moving up for Wentz. They are practically salivating at the idea.

He is our savior. Not theirs.

I think the trade with the Titans and Eagles happens now, 1 year later. Instead of Mariota, they get Wentz at 1. Then, they trade Bradford somewhere or keep him for at least this year.

 

[Sydla]

There's no way I'd trade a young starting lineman for a player who might not every prove to be worth it. Not even straight up.

This is insane

 

[Sydla]

ehh I dunno about collins I think he can be the next big thing since Larry Allen.. id rather throw in next years first

Maybe but the OL was pretty darn good before Collins got here. And OG isn't a particularly tough spot to fill. I'd have no problems trading Collins to get a potential franchise QB for the next decade.

 

[lkelly]

I think the trade with the Titans and Eagles happens now, 1 year later. Instead of Mariota, they get Wentz at 1. Then, they trade Bradford somewhere or keep him for at least this year.

Wouldn't they eat at least an $11 million cap hit if they traded Bradford right now? Perhaps even more as I'm not sure how the guaranteed salary part of his contract impacts the cap. That would seem to be an expensive month or two squat on him.

 

[robjay04]

I was listening.

There's too much talk of the Eagles moving up for Wentz. They are practically salivating at the idea.

He is our savior. Not theirs.

I just think it's the media assuming something because the Eagles have been known to be more on the exciting side during the offseason. Philly would have to give up way too much to jump up to number 1 and they already made a big investment on two QBs.

 

[MikeT22]

This is what I'm afraid of. Them falling in love with a certain guy and trading multiple picks this year or next years #1 for Wentz or whoever.

I like Wentz but this would be horrible unless he really is a decade long franchise caliber QB. It's one thing to take him at 4 if he's there considering the other options available. But it's a huge investment and gamble to give up multiple high round picks for someone is still considered a risk. But it is Jerry's M.O. to fall in love with a player and overpay.

The problem is out of the top 2 I think Wentz is the only one we like. I think they view Goff as more of a west coast type who wouldn't fit our offense. If not Wentz then I feel Lynch is next on our list but not at 4. Would either have to trade down or trade up from the 2nd round.

 

[Denim Chicken]

I like Wentz but this would be horrible unless he really is a decade long franchise caliber QB. It's one thing to take him at 4 if he's there considering the other options available. But it's a huge investment and gamble to give up multiple high round picks for someone is still considered a risk. But it is Jerry's M.O. to fall in love with a player and overpay.

The problem is out of the top 2 I think Wentz is the only one we like. I think they view Goff as more of a west coast type who wouldn't fit our offense. If not Wentz then I feel Lynch is next on our list but not at 4. Would either have to trade down or trade up from the 2nd round.

We'll see what happen's at Lynch's pro day today. He may shoot up of down, but I think that's the guy we like best presently.

 

[Plankton]

Here's an interesting scenario. If the Cowboys were sold on Wentz and believed the Browns would take him at 2, would you do this deal if Tennessee proposed it:

#1

For

#4
3rd Rd Pick
Collins

If the scouts truly believed that this is the case, you absolutely do it. Franchise QB is the hardest position to fill on a roster, and if you have a chance to get one, you have to go get that player.

 

[RS12]

This proves that even Johnny Walker was no match for the pain of last season.

 

[Cowboys22]

This draft thing really isn't that hard. Under no circumstances do you trade up this year. Here is the most sensible plan and it is so mind numbingly simple that I'm embarrassed that I have to even say it.

Step 1 - Throw the extra coin at Jones and get him signed so that DE is not such a pressing need that you feel compelled to reach for one at 4. You can add one to the mix somewhere between the 2nd and 4th rounds.

Step 2 - Sit back smiling for 45 minutes until you are on the clock knowing you are about to add one of the following to the team: Wentz, Goff, Ramsey, Tunsil, or Elliot. Two of them will be there. You either solve your QB problem and feel good about the future of the position, add a dynamic and versital DB that will make the defense much better, build on a massive strength at OL and make the unit almost laughably unfair and enjoy running your offense through them for the next 10 years, or you add an extremely talented RB that should be able to take you back to the type of offense that led you to 12-4 in 2014. Any of the five options should be agreeable to nearly everyone and would add an immediate impact as well as serve the team well long term. Do not try and get cute and outsmart everyone else. Take one of those five and enjoy the fruits of a crappy season.

Step 3 - Keep smiling the rest of the draft knowing the team is already much better than it was.

 

[MrPhil]

You really think romo or Brady types finds of qb's are something we should plan for? Something that happens very, very rarely is not a plan, it's a dream. And that's why we had the nightmare between Troy and tony. You can't bet on a Tony Romo or Brady falling in your lap. It just doesn't happen very often

I wasn't sure where to post this but this seems like as good a place as any. I compiled some career stats for QBs drafted by round from NFL.com. Here is some of what I found:

Avg career passing yards for QBs by round drafted since 1996.

Round 1 - 15,973 yards
Round 2 - 9,456 yards
Round 3 - 4,938 yards
Round 4 - 3,472 yards
Round 5 - 728 yards
Round 6 - 3,989 yards
Round 7 - 1,404 yards

The TD and INT figures follow a similar trend. It seems fairly obvious that your productive QBs come from the 1st and 2nd rounds, historically. Based on that, I don't think you can expect any QB drafted in round 3 and beyond to "become the guy". The odds are dramatically stacked against that kind of scenario.

This is a long way of saying that I completely agree with you. If you want to plan for a productive QB, you need to do it in the first or second round of the draft. Any plan that relies on mid or late round picks or even UDFA to develop into "the guy" are doomed to failure more often than they are not. Considering we already struck gold once with Romo as an UDFA leads me to believe the odds of us doing that again are astronomical.

 

[Beast_from_East]

If the scouts say Wentz is a franchise QB you have to go get him, even if it cost you picks

 

[Idgit]

If the scouts say Wentz is a franchise QB you have to go get him, even if it cost you picks

The most the scouts will be able to say is that he's got a good chance to someday be a franchise QB. They can't read the future.

You know I'm all for taking the chance with the pick we've got on either QB. When we start digging into next year, or into the rest of this year's picks, you really put the team in a bind relative to the competition if you whiff. That's too much risk in my book, for a player that's very likely to be there for you anyway.